Fargo Diversion and the ND Game and Fish

[DirtyMike]

I threw some sandbags around in 2009. Until I had one of the homeowners yell at me for throwing a pop can on his yard in which there were 75 NDSU students trying to save his house, me being one of them. Then I took a week and a half vacation at chateau de parents house.

As far as the diversion goes, seems like lot of homes, great farm land, and habitat is going to be destroyed at an immense cost to save some peoples homes who built in a flood plain. Makes sense if you're a Democrat.

 

[benjamins]

I threw some sandbags around in 2009. Until I had one of the homeowners yell at me for throwing a pop can on his yard in which there were 75 NDSU students trying to save his house, me being one of them. Then I took a week and a half vacation at chateau de parents house.

As far as the diversion goes, seems like lot of homes, great farm land, and habitat is going to be destroyed at an immense cost to save some peoples homes who built in a flood plain. Makes sense if you're a Democrat.

In 2009, I was also in college, we were sandbagging at someones house while the water was getting dangerously close to going over the existing sandbags. The homeowner just stood at his window drinking hot chocolate while everyone else was in the pouring rain trying to save his home. That really rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[Yoby]

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Tell me what group could actually evaluate the impact of daming ("Control Structure") the red river, the Wild Rice, and adjusting the flow of the Rush river, lower Rush, Maple River, and the Sheyenne............

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MN has the tieback embankment (levee/dike).

At least they are thinking about the fish with the fish passages.

 

[Davy Crockett]

WOW, If that map is to scale that sucker would be close to a half mile wide on the south end . I wonder how deep ?

 

[guywhofishes]

The water is many miles wide in places when it floods 100-500 yr events. Just a few feet deep mostly, lots of fields just a foot or so
deep.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I looked and couldn't find total depth of proposed , seems like It would have to be pretty deep . All it did was raise another another question, How deep on average is the RR ? And what is the deepest ?

 

[NodakBuckeye]

If you have time, read this article about the other Red River, Mississippi, Atchafalaya and the Corp of Engineers. Article is from 1987, it is an interesting read, a little lengthy. I first read it for a geography class back in the day. Seems like a similar deal on a smaller scale for the diversion up here.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/1987/02/23/atchafalaya

It gives a guy an idea of the thin line of failure and success the corp walks, and looks at the various impacts of ACE decisions have on ordinary people.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Shouldnt this be in the political section? Why would a farmer be against a diversion? Totally agree with doing our side and let MN worry about their's.....

Seriously think this is much like the flood a few years here in Bismarck, if you are dumb enough to build/buy in a flood prone area, you should have to pay for repairs yourself when it floods... If you choose to live in Fargo, there is a risk associated with that decision. Maybe consider moving to Bismarck (outside of the flood prone areas)!

Does flooding once in the last 59 years constitute a flood prone area? Do a little reasearch on the facts of the 2011 bismarck flood and then post your reply

you are more likely to have water in your basement on the N side of bismarck than the south side


oh by the way I did pay for my repairs it is called insurance

 

[BDub]

Very true ObiWan. In 1993 there were record rains in Bismarck. There were hundreds of homes in Bismarck that had water in the basement. I worked in many of them. The ground water problems in North Bismarck are well documented. Sump pumps and drain tile have become a requirement since 93.

 

[guywhofishes]

 

[westwolfone]

I can't believe they are still screwing around. Should have started building a diversion after the 1997 flood. Probably would have paid for itself by now.

The Winnipeg diversion, the West Fargo diversion( and probably every other project like this) had lots of people
against them too and they both worked out quite well.

 

[riverview]

I watched the video It looks like a lot of farms are going to be impacted. I like how they say they minimized the down stream impact,

 

[guywhofishes]

Any retention buys time and "evens out" the peak flood. Once peak has occured they can slowly release the retained water in a manner beneficial to downstream communities.

a bypass ditch with no retention has the capacity to force the water around Fargo's natural pinch point even faster than would be occurring without the ditch - making flooding downstream worse than ever

so that's why a retention/ditch hybrid design was picked - it was more likely to work well - and they through a "few" farms under the bus in order to save many more farms/communities downstream from uncontrolled flooding

 

[eyexer]

In 2009, I was also in college, we were sandbagging at someones house while the water was getting dangerously close to going over the existing sandbags. The homeowner just stood at his window drinking hot chocolate while everyone else was in the pouring rain trying to save his home. That really rubbed me the wrong way.

he was a liberal elitist I'd imagine

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talk about insanely expensive. no wonder they haven't been giving any oil money back to western ND. This thing will take every dollar the state has hoarded away. all because dip shits build in a flood plane. then they want everybody else to pay for it