Free Lunch

[49994]

Have you guys seen all the reports kids dying over the summer from malnutrition? Me neither

 

[Colt45]

Here's a related thought: k-12 students already get a portion of their meals paid for from the government. At our school an adult meal costs something like 4.50 a lunch. That's what we pay as a teacher. Damn good price to eat. Student prices are less than that. 2.50 - 3.50? I don't recall the exact price. Should we increase it to 4.50 like the adults? How dare THOSE kids get something given to them!!!??? Unfair!

For the 85th time, no one is arguing to change the current system......... are you a teacher? In a public school? Just curious......

 

[yakandfish]

are you a teacher? In a public school? Just curious......

Yes. Have been for 24 years. It's easy to have a perspective when all you need to worry about is you and yours. Your views change as you see and hear about the lives of some of these kids. Some don't have consistent homes or meals. Some are foster care. Some are working 40 hours a week on top of school so they can earn money for their family and younger siblings. Some miss days because they have to care for the younger siblings.

When I started my career, I knew MY experiences. That's it. It was easy to judge and have the "answer" for everything. I would say those answers are different now.

What is your occupation? Just curious as well.

 

[Colt45]

And most kids don't have the issues you describe, and a free breakfast and lunch wont solve any of the problems you listed. I am not judging, I am just trying to understand the "issue" and how hundreds of millions of tax dollars is going to fix it.
And I am an electrician, spend time on the road with odd hours.

 

[yakandfish]

There's always an expert out there. I like hearing from people who have all the answers for schools, especially those who have no idea what it's like working in one.

I sure as hell wouldn't have any idea how any new electrical laws or codes should be written. Not the path I chose.

Not saying you are doing that....just as an example.

 

[risingsun]

Just curious Yak. Does AI do your teaching and lessons? Do taxpayers pay you to spend your day posting on forums instead of teaching? Asking for a few friends.

 

[Sluggo]

At my school we have kids who show up simply because if they don't....they don't eat.

Have a little empathy will ya?

You must have missed Eye asking you so I will ask it again.....when they show up now, they get food to eat, correct?

 

[Colt45]

Yak,
I don't claim to be an expert, but when progressive people and out of state progressive groups ask for hundreds of millions of taxpayer money I tend to at least investigate and try to understand the need and ask. So far, I am not convinced there is a problem that will be solved from hundreds of millions of tax dollars every 2 years. Which will be mandated as its a constitutional change.
Again, we can disagree, your argument tends to try and persuade from emotions, everyone has had a tough life at some point, I think we have gone soft as a people and country, and the tilt to socialism continues unchecked. So we can agree to disagree, and vote accordingly.

Everyone, please get out and exercise your God given right to vote and make yourself heard!

 

[yakandfish]

Just curious Yak. Does AI do your teaching and lessons? Do taxpayers pay you to spend your day posting on forums instead of teaching? Asking for a few friends.

No, I do not use AI.

And there it is...fine. I will quit visiting this website. Since you need to get all nitpicky about my time and your money.

This site and everyone on it sucks.

 

[JMF]

No, I do not use AI.

And there it is...fine. I will quit visiting this website. Since you need to get all nitpicky about my time and your money.

This site and everyone on it sucks.

You're a teacher? This is the kind of response I'd expect from a child.

 

[eyexer]

So North Dakota farmers want to be known for "feeding the world" but they don't want their tax money going to feeding their own citizens?

But they go tax free on the buildings they put up don't they?

Lot of big houses and building going up isn't there? How about ranchers? Do they get tax cuts on buildings?

Yes farmers and ranchers don’t pay property taxes on their residents if they’re living on the farm.

 

[RyanN]

Yak,
I don't claim to be an expert, but when progressive people and out of state progressive groups ask for hundreds of millions of taxpayer money I tend to at least investigate and try to understand the need and ask. So far, I am not convinced there is a problem that will be solved from hundreds of millions of tax dollars every 2 years. Which will be mandated as its a constitutional change.
Again, we can disagree, your argument tends to try and persuade from emotions, everyone has had a tough life at some point, I think we have gone soft as a people and country, and the tilt to socialism continues unchecked. So we can agree to disagree, and vote accordingly.

Everyone, please get out and exercise your God given right to vote and make yourself heard!

Hey - how are out of state progressive groups getting ND tax dollars? (not being a jerk, just unaware)

 

[Obi-Wan]

Only if you put it in the constitution, state law can be changed pretty easy

I might be a little slow here but tell me what measure one does.

Once one votes to limit their own voting power that power is gone forever.

We need less government control not more.

 

[eyexer]

So let’s say meals are $3.50 now. The measure provides a set increase to inflation. What’s gonna happen in three years when the meals go to $6 a piece because you can bet your sweet ass it will. Then we’re in a pickle because that’s far and above inflation rate. That’s flat ass gouging. When the general public’s groceries don’t go up proportionally how are going to claim inflation. What’s the measure at the antidote is for that then?

 

[RyanN]

So let’s say meals are $3.50 now. The measure provides a set increase to inflation. What’s gonna happen in three years when the meals go to $6 a piece because you can bet your sweet ass it will. Then we’re in a pickle because that’s far and above inflation rate. That’s flat ass gouging. When the general public’s groceries don’t go up proportionally how are going to claim inflation. What’s the measure at the antidote is for that then?

school meals have never followed inflation - not even close - otherwise it would be at least $15/meal right now.

 

[Colt45]

I might be a little slow here but tell me what measure one does.

Once one votes to limit their own voting power that power is gone forever.

We need less government control not more.

The government doesn't control constitutional changes, we the people do. All constitutional changes require voter approval, and we the people are the voter.

So you either are on the side to limit changes to the constitution by making it harder to change, especially changes that shouldn't be part of the constitution like free breakfast and lunch, or you want to keep it the way it is, which is 50% plus one vote.

I contend that a constitutional change should require more than 50% plus one vote simply because we will have maybe a 40% eligible voter turnout this election, that's historically what its been for midterm elections in ND. So that makes it 20% plus one of actual voters to change the constitution. And good constitutional measures have consistently surpassed the 60% threshold, sluggo posted those stats, did you see that post?

I think its dangerous ground, and that it should be harder to change the ND constitution. There is a reason millions of out of state progressive groups are trying to get measure 2 passed as its a constitutional change that really doesn't fix any problem at all. Consider it a test run for future nefarious progressive objectives which I have listed many times already.

I fully support the 50% plus one vote to change state law however, but that's a whole different ball game.

 

[Colt45]

Hey - how are out of state progressive groups getting ND tax dollars? (not being a jerk, just unaware)

I understand your confusion, and its my fault. The tax dollars will stay here in ND feeding kids breakfast and lunch. Its the out of state progressive groups that are pushing and funding the no vote on measure 2. Why do you suppose they are doing that?

 

[Colt45]

Ryan,
I guess you could argue that we could lose federal funding for the school breakfast and lunch program that is currently in place? Why would the feds fund ND school breakfasts and lunches when we have mandated it into our constitution? There would really be no need for that federal handout. So that money would get spent somewhere else, I doubt the feds will just cut the spending out, they will reallocate it somewhere would be my guess.

 

[Obi-Wan]

The government doesn't control constitutional changes, we the people do. All constitutional changes require voter approval, and we the people are the voter.

So you either are on the side to limit changes to the constitution by making it harder to change, especially changes that shouldn't be part of the constitution like free breakfast and lunch, or you want to keep it the way it is, which is 50% plus one vote.

I contend that a constitutional change should require more than 50% plus one vote simply because we will have maybe a 40% eligible voter turnout this election, that's historically what its been for midterm elections in ND. So that makes it 20% plus one of actual voters to change the constitution. And good constitutional measures have consistently surpassed the 60% threshold, sluggo posted those stats, did you see that post?

I think its dangerous ground, and that it should be harder to change the ND constitution. There is a reason millions of out of state progressive groups are trying to get measure 2 passed as its a constitutional change that really doesn't fix any problem at all. Consider it a test run for future nefarious progressive objectives which I have listed many times already.

I fully support the 50% plus one vote to change state law however, but that's a whole different ball game.

This was not put initiated by " we the people " it was put forward by the government. The government wants " we the people" to have less control. now if this was an initiated measure by " we the people" I would be more likely to vote for it.

Are you " government" or and average " we the people"

 

[eyexer]

school meals have never followed inflation - not even close - otherwise it would be at least $15/meal right now.

You get what I’m saying right? So the 160 million will be 350 million in just a few short years. Bet people don’t realize what they’re signing up for. Then how does the legislature deal with something like on the constitution. To change it wouldn’t be easy. When was the last time you saw a government handout get reduced?