ND Joins Utah Lawsuit

[BrockW]

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/10...llions-of-acres-of-federally-controlled-land/

 

[svnmag]

Holy shit: Are we supposed to fight or passively let Revelation unfold?

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Utah is very conservative Republican. They want to make use of the land.

At the other end of the spectrum is Minnesota. Democrat to the core. They created the Lessard-Sams Outdoor Heritage Counsel. A percentage of sales tax goes to non-profits to help purchase land and flip it to the Minnesota DNR.

Look at all the piggies at the trough:

https://www.lsohc.mn.gov/FY2025/Allocations/(R)12_07_2023_Meeting_Allocations.pdf

 

[Allen]

I am pretty sure the "pigs at the trough" will be filled with a variety of people/entities that will want to turn this public land into private property if this lawsuit passes.

Personally, if I was one of the ranchers that leased many of these acres at pennies on the dollar for pasture, I'd be pissed as all hell.

 

[guywhofishes]

Frick

 

[PrairieGhost]

Greed
Unappropriated is a joke. The United States acquired this land and gave away millions of acres to farmers, ranchers, a n d the state when they became a state. The states blew it all, selling their state owned public land for the money. Now they run low so the want America's public land to sell. Ranchers may pay more in taxes (if they have property tax) than they now pay in rental. However they can post it and lease to outfitters and keep you out. Greed. They want what's theirs, and they want what's yours.

 

[Trip McNeely]

I am pretty sure the "pigs at the trough" will be filled with a variety of people/entities that will want to turn this public land into private property if this lawsuit passes.

Personally, if I was one of the ranchers that leased many of these acres at pennies on the dollar for pasture, I'd be pissed as all hell.

Those are my initial thoughts as well. Im all for states rights and states having more control but anytime we see something like this it’s for the benefit of a few…..

 

[Traxion]

Utah has shown a propensity to sell land for their gain. This isn’t good for anyone who enjoys the use of public lands.

 

[bravo]

The elk hunting is too good and there's not enough luxury condos and homes. Better sell it off and give the politician's friends the bids to build.

 

[BrockW]

 

[BrockW]

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Featuring Randy Newberg in the podcast. Randy just lost his Montana Democrat Senator friend Jon Tester.

Tester had a sportsmen's panel and Randy was on it.

https://www.tester.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/pr-1333/

• Ryan Busse has worked in the outdoor industry for over 18 years. He has long been involved in sportsman’s issues and conservation. Among other things, Busse has served as board chair for Montana Conservation Voters and has been active in efforts to preserve the Rocky Mountain Front. He is a passionate hunter and fisherman and lives in Kalispell.
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• Randy Newberg currently is the host and producer of the critically acclaimed outdoor show On Your Own Adventures, a show focused on teaching hunters how to hunt on public lands, without guides. Newberg has been a committee chairman and board member for many conservation groups. He is currently Treasurer and past President of Orion the Hunters Institute. He is a co-founder of a local rod and gun club, Headwaters Fish and Game Association in Bozeman.
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• Land Tawney is a 5th generation Montana who grew up with a fly rod and gun in hand. He served as the president of Hellgate Hunters and Anglers and Senior Manager of Sportsmen's leadership for the National Wildlife Federation. In addition he chairs the Private Land/Public Wildlife Council and serves as vice chair of the Phil Tawney Hunter Conservation Endowment.

Senator Jon Tester went on to Chair the Senate Sportsmen's Caucus. He took two with him from Montana to serve on Biden's Wildlife Hunting and Heritage Conservation Council.

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/d...ounce-members-federal-council-support-hunting

Departments of the Interior and Agriculture Announce Members of Federal Council to Support Hunting, Conservation Efforts​

09/23/2022
Last edited 09/23/2022
Date: Friday, September 23, 2022
Contact: Interior_Press@ios.doi.gov
WASHINGTON — In advance of National Hunting and Fishing Day on September 24, the U.S. Departments of the Interior and Agriculture today announced 18 members of the Hunting and Wildlife Conservation Council.
“Hunters, anglers and outdoor enthusiasts have some of the deepest connections to wildlife and form the bedrock of habitat conservation efforts,” said Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland. “I look forward to working with the Council as we advance efforts to expand access to the great outdoors, address climate change, and safeguard the wildlife and health of the natural systems that supply our food, water and other resources. This kind of engagement is at the heart of the America the Beautiful initiative and the Biden-Harris administration’s broader conservation strategy.”
“This group of sportsmen and women will provide USDA and DOI vital insight in how we can strengthen wildlife conservation, expand recreational access, and promote rural economic development,” said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack. “They are a critical partner in preserving America’s wildlife and hunting heritage and advancing our work to protect our nation’s precious lands and waters. The Biden-Harris administration is committed to conserving, connecting and restoring America’s lands, waters and wildlife, and I look forward to working with members of the council to help achieve these objectives.”
The Federal Advisory Council, chartered in February 2022 and managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is a federal advisory committee of subject matter experts that will provide recommendations to the federal government regarding policies that benefit wildlife and habitat conservation; expand fair-chase hunting, safe recreational shooting sports, and wildlife-associated recreation opportunities; and policies that benefit national and local economies.
The newly established Council builds on the Wildlife Hunting and Heritage Conservation Council, first established in 2010. Members will meet at least two times per year, and members will serve up to a three-year term.
The Council will help advance the Administration’s America the Beautiful initiative, which aims to conserve, connect and restore our nation's lands, waters and wildlife with collaborative, inclusive and locally led conservation efforts. These efforts will be reinforced by the President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the largest investment in the resilience of physical and natural systems in American history, including billions of dollars to accelerate federal and locally led land, water, and wildlife conservation efforts across the country.
Council members are:

• Colin Beck (Confederated Tribes of Coos, Lower Umpqua & Siuslaw Indians) representing Tribal resource management organizations.
• Ryan Busse (unaffiliated) representing shooting sports interests. Montana
• Jeffrey Crane (Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.
• Michael Crowder (National Association of Conservation Districts) representing agriculture interests.
• John Devney (Delta Waterfowl) representing waterfowl hunting organizations.
• George Dunklin Jr. (Five Oaks Duck Lodge) representing tourism, outfitter and/or guide businesses related to hunting and/or wildlife conservation.
• Bethany Erb (Pheasants Forever/Quail Forever) representing upland bird hunting organizations.
• Daniel Forster (Archery Trade Association) representing archery interests.
• Cole Mannix (Mannix Ranch) representing ranching interests.
• Collin O’Mara (National Wildlife Federation) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.
• Lucas Martinez (League of United Latin American Citizens) representing wildlife-associated recreation interests.
• Lydia Parker (Hunters of Color) representing wildlife-associated recreation interests.
• Joel Pedersen (Mule Deer Foundation) representing big-game hunting organizations.
• Land Tawney (Backcountry Hunters and Anglers) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations. Montana
• Keith Tidball (Cornell University) representing veterans’ services organizations.
• Lauren Ward (Conservation Without Conflict) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.
• Gerald (Tony) Wasley (Nevada Department of Wildlife) representing state fish and wildlife management agencies.
• Joel Webster (Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.

Ryan Busse ran for governor of Montana and lost two days ago. He serves on the board of Gabbi Giffords anti-2nd Amendment Association. His two sons are involved in a lawsuit to curtail fossil fuel use. He was president of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers from 2016 to 2020. He was formerly the Chair of the Montana League of Conservation voters who funneled millions to Jon Tester.

Land Tawney was president of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers from 2020 to 2023. His sister is executive director for Montana League of Conservation Voters funneling millions to Jon Tester. Tawney also runs Montana Hunters and Anglers Action, another non-profit funneling dark money to Jon Tester. Tawney worked for Montana Wildlife Federation before 2008, the year he started Montana Sportsmen for Obama.

I don't know much about Biden's choice for Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland. The Secretary of USDA Tom Vilsack served 8 years for Obama and 4 years for Biden. His wife ran for office in Iowa a few years ago and her highest donor was the Humane Society of the United States at $750,000.

Trump needs to clean this whole boars nest out.

 

[BrockW]

Featuring Randy Newberg in the podcast. Randy just lost his Montana Democrat Senator friend Jon Tester.

Tester had a sportsmen's panel and Randy was on it.

https://www.tester.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/pr-1333/

• Ryan Busse has worked in the outdoor industry for over 18 years. He has long been involved in sportsman’s issues and conservation. Among other things, Busse has served as board chair for Montana Conservation Voters and has been active in efforts to preserve the Rocky Mountain Front. He is a passionate hunter and fisherman and lives in Kalispell.
• 
  
• Randy Newberg currently is the host and producer of the critically acclaimed outdoor show On Your Own Adventures, a show focused on teaching hunters how to hunt on public lands, without guides. Newberg has been a committee chairman and board member for many conservation groups. He is currently Treasurer and past President of Orion the Hunters Institute. He is a co-founder of a local rod and gun club, Headwaters Fish and Game Association in Bozeman.
• 
  
• Land Tawney is a 5th generation Montana who grew up with a fly rod and gun in hand. He served as the president of Hellgate Hunters and Anglers and Senior Manager of Sportsmen's leadership for the National Wildlife Federation. In addition he chairs the Private Land/Public Wildlife Council and serves as vice chair of the Phil Tawney Hunter Conservation Endowment.

Senator Jon Tester went on to Chair the Senate Sportsmen's Caucus. He took two with him from Montana to serve on Biden's Wildlife Hunting and Heritage Conservation Council.

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/d...ounce-members-federal-council-support-hunting

Departments of the Interior and Agriculture Announce Members of Federal Council to Support Hunting, Conservation Efforts​

09/23/2022
Last edited 09/23/2022
Date: Friday, September 23, 2022
Contact: Interior_Press@ios.doi.gov
WASHINGTON — In advance of National Hunting and Fishing Day on September 24, the U.S. Departments of the Interior and Agriculture today announced 18 members of the Hunting and Wildlife Conservation Council.
“Hunters, anglers and outdoor enthusiasts have some of the deepest connections to wildlife and form the bedrock of habitat conservation efforts,” said Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland. “I look forward to working with the Council as we advance efforts to expand access to the great outdoors, address climate change, and safeguard the wildlife and health of the natural systems that supply our food, water and other resources. This kind of engagement is at the heart of the America the Beautiful initiative and the Biden-Harris administration’s broader conservation strategy.”
“This group of sportsmen and women will provide USDA and DOI vital insight in how we can strengthen wildlife conservation, expand recreational access, and promote rural economic development,” said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack. “They are a critical partner in preserving America’s wildlife and hunting heritage and advancing our work to protect our nation’s precious lands and waters. The Biden-Harris administration is committed to conserving, connecting and restoring America’s lands, waters and wildlife, and I look forward to working with members of the council to help achieve these objectives.”
The Federal Advisory Council, chartered in February 2022 and managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is a federal advisory committee of subject matter experts that will provide recommendations to the federal government regarding policies that benefit wildlife and habitat conservation; expand fair-chase hunting, safe recreational shooting sports, and wildlife-associated recreation opportunities; and policies that benefit national and local economies.
The newly established Council builds on the Wildlife Hunting and Heritage Conservation Council, first established in 2010. Members will meet at least two times per year, and members will serve up to a three-year term.
The Council will help advance the Administration’s America the Beautiful initiative, which aims to conserve, connect and restore our nation's lands, waters and wildlife with collaborative, inclusive and locally led conservation efforts. These efforts will be reinforced by the President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, the largest investment in the resilience of physical and natural systems in American history, including billions of dollars to accelerate federal and locally led land, water, and wildlife conservation efforts across the country.
Council members are:

• Colin Beck (Confederated Tribes of Coos, Lower Umpqua & Siuslaw Indians) representing Tribal resource management organizations.
• Ryan Busse (unaffiliated) representing shooting sports interests. Montana
• Jeffrey Crane (Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.
• Michael Crowder (National Association of Conservation Districts) representing agriculture interests.
• John Devney (Delta Waterfowl) representing waterfowl hunting organizations.
• George Dunklin Jr. (Five Oaks Duck Lodge) representing tourism, outfitter and/or guide businesses related to hunting and/or wildlife conservation.
• Bethany Erb (Pheasants Forever/Quail Forever) representing upland bird hunting organizations.
• Daniel Forster (Archery Trade Association) representing archery interests.
• Cole Mannix (Mannix Ranch) representing ranching interests.
• Collin O’Mara (National Wildlife Federation) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.
• Lucas Martinez (League of United Latin American Citizens) representing wildlife-associated recreation interests.
• Lydia Parker (Hunters of Color) representing wildlife-associated recreation interests.
• Joel Pedersen (Mule Deer Foundation) representing big-game hunting organizations.
• Land Tawney (Backcountry Hunters and Anglers) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations. Montana
• Keith Tidball (Cornell University) representing veterans’ services organizations.
• Lauren Ward (Conservation Without Conflict) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.
• Gerald (Tony) Wasley (Nevada Department of Wildlife) representing state fish and wildlife management agencies.
• Joel Webster (Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership) representing wildlife and habitat conservation/management organizations.

Ryan Busse ran for governor of Montana and lost two days ago. He serves on the board of Gabbi Giffords anti-2nd Amendment Association. His two sons are involved in a lawsuit to curtail fossil fuel use. He was president of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers from 2016 to 2020. He was formerly the Chair of the Montana League of Conservation voters who funneled millions to Jon Tester.

Land Tawney was president of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers from 2020 to 2023. His sister is executive director for Montana League of Conservation Voters funneling millions to Jon Tester. Tawney also runs Montana Hunters and Anglers Action, another non-profit funneling dark money to Jon Tester. Tawney worked for Montana Wildlife Federation before 2008, the year he started Montana Sportsmen for Obama.

I don't know much about Biden's choice for Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland. The Secretary of USDA Tom Vilsack served 8 years for Obama and 4 years for Biden. His wife ran for office in Iowa a few years ago and her highest donor was the Humane Society of the United States at $750,000.

Trump needs to clean this whole boars nest out.

I’d say we can expect Burgum to be the next Secretary of Interior. Hard to say what that will mean. But given Trump’s administration the last time around, I have a feeling it will not be an overall benefit to public land hunters. I’d really like to see the Republican Party change their stance on public lands. Honestly, I think that would not only solidify the hunting vote for them, but I think it would also make their lives a lot easier. Republicans proposing/pushing for transfers or selling public lands is really one of the only issues that conservatives I know get really pissed off about.

But I would agree that Deb Haaland and Tracy Stone manning, overall have been a disappointment for hunters and anglers in my opinion. Obviously, generally speaking, democrats are more friendly to public lands, but for this administration I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the case. Stone Manning was actually trying to give BLM land in ND directly to the tribes for nothing…Just hand it to em.

Tester is one of the few democrats who has overall been good to hunters. Honestly, I’m not that familiar with his stances on other issues, but he’s been real good for hunters on the issues I’m aware of. Randy talks about that in the video above.

 

[Kurtr]

I didnt think trump was that bad last time. I think Don Jr being a hunter and outdoors alot is a good think to have in his ear.

https://www.fws.gov/press-release/2...ounces-historic-expansion-hunting-and-fishing

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go.../01/210114-Final-Accomplishments-Document.pdf

 

[BrockW]

I didnt think trump was that bad last time. I think Don Jr being a hunter and outdoors alot is a good think to have in his ear.

https://www.fws.gov/press-release/2...ounces-historic-expansion-hunting-and-fishing

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go.../01/210114-Final-Accomplishments-Document.pdf

Certainly not as bad as some on the left thought he was going to be.

Your first link, opening refuges, is something Biden did too. Hell, I think even Obama did that. So to me, that’s kind of a wash.

Rolling back roadless protections in the Tongass NF is one of the more significant ones that comes to mind. He did it in the name of forest fire protection iirc. But that’s a legitimate rainforest and has seen something like less than a couple hundred acres of fires in the relevant past. If memory serves the timber sale would’ve went to a company who sells all their lumber to china. So there was multiple things I didn’t like about that. ANWR was another I wasn’t a fan of.

I’m a little more in the middle when it comes to Bears Ears-Escalante. It was already federal land, so it wasn’t a loss and I don’t usually agree with trying to use National Monument status as a quasi wilderness or non motorized designation either. There was a group that wanted to do that in ND for areas that are Suitable for Wilderness and our chapter refused to support or participate. Our stance is you either do it legitimately and follow the process, our you don’t do it at all.

In some sense the Democrats were pushing solar on public lands harder. Which in my opinion can be worse than oil and gas. Though, it just kind of depends on the specific area and how you apply your metrics. In my opinion nuclear is the only real answer. So it seems like even more of crime to let wind and solar eat up habitat and access.

Overall, I don’t necessary disagree with you that “it wasn’t that bad”. Most of the significant attacks on public lands are coming from states, like the subject of the OP. So, maybe it’s important to consider scope and scale. But keep in mind, the states become embolden to do such things when their party is in power. So some of the concerns are because of indirect influence.

It’s certainly possible that the fact that I’m an independent who really has a distaste for the current 2 parties, and who’s most important issue is hunting and fishing and public lands, is making me a hard person to make happy in this scenario.