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http://www.pbs.org/pov/hybrid/genetically-modified-foods/


Farmers have been experimenting with corn since ancient times. The early Mayaadapted an early form of corn, teozinte for better cultivation and higher productivity.


In the 1930s, Milford Beeghly created new hybrids of corn that were more resistant to insects and easier to grow than the original strain. Beeghly pioneered and promoted his methods despite the concerns of farmers and others who argued that crop hybridization was "against nature" and immoral. Despite these claims, corn hybrids proved to be commercially successful for the farmers that used them in their fields.


Fast forward 50 years and hybrid corn is commonplace at American barbeques. However, another corn controversy that echoes the one that plagued Beeghly in the days when he was experimenting in his barn has garnered a lot of attention in Europe and strict controls from the European Union (EU.)


Genetically modified or GM foods are a hotly debated issue. In the US, the acreage used to grow GM crops has skyrocketed to more than 70 million since 1996. More than half of America's processed grocery products contain gene-altered ingredients, but the US, unlike Europe, does not require labeling.


American farmers have been growing millions of acres of genetically modified corn (and other products) for many years, with relatively little complaint from the U.S. public. Europeans are increasingly opposed to genetically modified crops, and this fact has U.S. exporters claiming discrimination in the European markets. The Bush administration is urging Brussels to drop a new labeling law for genetically modified (GM) foods. Business leaders and scientists promise solutions to world hunger through genetically modified food crops. However, European consumers perceive threats to the environment and people. The EU has now introduced the strictest set of regulations on biotech food in the world, establishing lengthy approval procedures and demanding that all GMO-foods be clearly labeled.


What is GM food and what is the difference between genetically modified food and hybridization?


Genetic engineering is the process of breaking the natural boundaries that exist between species to produce new life forms that will produce a variety of desired traits. For example, genes from salmon can be spliced into tomatoes to make them more resistant to cold weather, thereby yielding a larger crop when the weather is less than favorable. Hybridization is the fertilization of the flower of one species by the pollen of another species-or artificial cross pollination (right?).


Many argue the two are essentially the same thing. "Here's the secret of hybrid corn. Hybridization is just crude genetic engineering," says the technology commentator Robert X. Cringley.


However many scientists, like the Cambridge-based Union of Concerned Scientists (http://www.ucsusa.org/index.html) argue that there needs to be more research done on the effects of these new crops on the environment and on the people eating them in the long term.


Environmental activist organizations, such as Greenpeace, argue that companies are putting profits over safety and are provoking unforeseen health, environmental, and socioeconomic consequences by tampering with corn genes. On the other side of the argument, the biotechnology industry, lead by companies such as Monsanto argue that GM foods are feeding a world population that is starving. They say that environmentalists and even the Environmental Protection Agency are overreacting.


Genetically modified food proponents argue that the process of splicing genes from one organism onto the genes of another is nothing different than what native Americans did hundreds of years ago. Critics of GM food argue that the accelerated push for more modification in all sorts of foods and the degree of that modification is unchecked and requires more study.

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http://gardengates.info/the-difference-between-gmo-and-geo/


The difference between GMO and GEO

With all the concerns about safety with the foods being produced these days the term GMO – or Genetically Modified Organism – has become commonly used. To be entirely correct, though, we should be using ‘GEO’ – Genetically Engineered Organism’ — instead.
A genetically modified organism is not identical to its parent, which pretty much covers most living things on this planet that are created by more than one parent — that are not clones. Mixed genes of two or more parents modify the genetics, whether in people, animals or plants. Hybrids, which by literal definition are GMOs have been an important part of the green industry for a long, long time and are not the focus of current concerns. In short, it is a fairly broad term that encompasses non-issues as well as those that are being highly debated.
Genetically engineered life forms or hormones are created by people in a laboratory where genetic material, mostly DNA, from unnatural and likely unrelated sources are joined together. A GEO is a type of GMO, but a GMO is not necessarily a GEO.
In gardening, there are many questions about the creation of genetically engineered plants and their safety. Due to questionable business practices of some of the large companies developing them the public is starting to understand there are safety questions regarding how development is done and long term resulting effects. How much research is really being devoted to the welfare of humanity? Are we creating monster plants — side effects that can endanger the natural balance of food production — and more? Are we developing plants to contain insecticides or fungicides that could be toxic to people and animals simply for the sake of more profitable mass production? Should government control these issues — or can government be trusted? Or who should police the developers and the producers of GEOs? Or should business simply be allowed free use of all technology in a civilization based on capitalism where profits are rewarded no matter how they are gained. These are questions that are likely to continue to rage on.
In the meantime, we can always use the correct terms of GEO and GMO in our debates. Or not!

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http://www.pbs.org/pov/hybrid/genetically-modified-foods/


Farmers have been experimenting with corn since ancient times. The early Mayaadapted an early form of corn, teozinte for better cultivation and higher productivity.


In the 1930s, Milford Beeghly created new hybrids of corn that were more resistant to insects and easier to grow than the original strain. Beeghly pioneered and promoted his methods despite the concerns of farmers and others who argued that crop hybridization was "against nature" and immoral. Despite these claims, corn hybrids proved to be commercially successful for the farmers that used them in their fields.


Fast forward 50 years and hybrid corn is commonplace at American barbeques. However, another corn controversy that echoes the one that plagued Beeghly in the days when he was experimenting in his barn has garnered a lot of attention in Europe and strict controls from the European Union (EU.)


Genetically modified or GM foods are a hotly debated issue. In the US, the acreage used to grow GM crops has skyrocketed to more than 70 million since 1996. More than half of America's processed grocery products contain gene-altered ingredients, but the US, unlike Europe, does not require labeling.


American farmers have been growing millions of acres of genetically modified corn (and other products) for many years, with relatively little complaint from the U.S. public. Europeans are increasingly opposed to genetically modified crops, and this fact has U.S. exporters claiming discrimination in the European markets. The Bush administration is urging Brussels to drop a new labeling law for genetically modified (GM) foods. Business leaders and scientists promise solutions to world hunger through genetically modified food crops. However, European consumers perceive threats to the environment and people. The EU has now introduced the strictest set of regulations on biotech food in the world, establishing lengthy approval procedures and demanding that all GMO-foods be clearly labeled.


What is GM food and what is the difference between genetically modified food and hybridization?


Genetic engineering is the process of breaking the natural boundaries that exist between species to produce new life forms that will produce a variety of desired traits. For example, genes from salmon can be spliced into tomatoes to make them more resistant to cold weather, thereby yielding a larger crop when the weather is less than favorable. Hybridization is the fertilization of the flower of one species by the pollen of another species-or artificial cross pollination (right?).


Many argue the two are essentially the same thing. "Here's the secret of hybrid corn. Hybridization is just crude genetic engineering," says the technology commentator Robert X. Cringley.


However many scientists, like the Cambridge-based Union of Concerned Scientists (http://www.ucsusa.org/index.html) argue that there needs to be more research done on the effects of these new crops on the environment and on the people eating them in the long term.


Environmental activist organizations, such as Greenpeace, argue that companies are putting profits over safety and are provoking unforeseen health, environmental, and socioeconomic consequences by tampering with corn genes. On the other side of the argument, the biotechnology industry, lead by companies such as Monsanto argue that GM foods are feeding a world population that is starving. They say that environmentalists and even the Environmental Protection Agency are overreacting.


Genetically modified food proponents argue that the process of splicing genes from one organism onto the genes of another is nothing different than what native Americans did hundreds of years ago. Critics of GM food argue that the accelerated push for more modification in all sorts of foods and the degree of that modification is unchecked and requires more study.

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http://gardengates.info/the-difference-between-gmo-and-geo/


The difference between GMO and GEO

With all the concerns about safety with the foods being produced these days the term GMO – or Genetically Modified Organism – has become commonly used. To be entirely correct, though, we should be using ‘GEO’ – Genetically Engineered Organism’ — instead.
A genetically modified organism is not identical to its parent, which pretty much covers most living things on this planet that are created by more than one parent — that are not clones. Mixed genes of two or more parents modify the genetics, whether in people, animals or plants. Hybrids, which by literal definition are GMOs have been an important part of the green industry for a long, long time and are not the focus of current concerns. In short, it is a fairly broad term that encompasses non-issues as well as those that are being highly debated.
Genetically engineered life forms or hormones are created by people in a laboratory where genetic material, mostly DNA, from unnatural and likely unrelated sources are joined together. A GEO is a type of GMO, but a GMO is not necessarily a GEO.
In gardening, there are many questions about the creation of genetically engineered plants and their safety. Due to questionable business practices of some of the large companies developing them the public is starting to understand there are safety questions regarding how development is done and long term resulting effects. How much research is really being devoted to the welfare of humanity? Are we creating monster plants — side effects that can endanger the natural balance of food production — and more? Are we developing plants to contain insecticides or fungicides that could be toxic to people and animals simply for the sake of more profitable mass production? Should government control these issues — or can government be trusted? Or who should police the developers and the producers of GEOs? Or should business simply be allowed free use of all technology in a civilization based on capitalism where profits are rewarded no matter how they are gained. These are questions that are likely to continue to rage on.
In the meantime, we can always use the correct terms of GEO and GMO in our debates. Or not!

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Did you seriously just site PBS as a source material? sweet Mary Mother of God that explains so much! you must be lost now that Sesame Streets on HBO..... how are you going to know that the today has been brought to you by the number 7 and the letter H!
 
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Did you seriously just site PBS as a source material? sweet Mary Mother of God that explains so much! you must be lost now that Sesame Streets on HBO..... how are you going to know that the today has been brought to you by the number 7 and the letter H!

Dean not going to work sarcasm and banter is all you are going to get, unless you can prove other wise otherwise give it a rest. You debate exactly like my old man can give him all kinds of examples but his experience based on watching the news is gospel to him.

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Ps according DM I am the one with dumbassery post which is based on his high quality so called friends knowledge of dealing of diareah of the pie hole. The only stupid comments that are posted are the ones DM gives thumbs up to showing approval that they are smart at my expense.

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And it's raining again
 

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Well first off you posted GMO's so trying to change that later and ignoring that's what you posted is well just idiotic. as for proper backing up of one's argument that GMO is somehow not a GMO here is some material for you feel free to read any of them.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gmo and just in case you get hung up on genetic engineering here's the definition of that from the same Source I can give you Wikipedia's definition but it's the same just with more details. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/genetic-engineering.

Speaking Wikipedia here's what they have to say about GMOs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism

Or how about the GMO awareness website whatever the hell that is. But considering I see the name Monsanto on there I'm going to go ahead and say they probably know something about GMOs

https://gmo-awareness.com/all-about-gmos/gmo-defined/

OR how about the streight from the W.H.O. which stands for the World Health Organization if you didnt know. Its one of their facilities where they end up in the end of World War Z.

http://www.who.int/foodsafety/areas_work/food-technology/faq-genetically-modified-food/en/
 
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This from the guy that cited PBS tell me again what Ernie and Bert have to say about it I would also be very curious if Snuffleupagus has a stance on this!
 

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Dean not going to work sarcasm and banter is all you are going to get, unless you can prove other wise otherwise give it a rest. You debate exactly like my old man can give him all kinds of examples but his experience based on watching the news is gospel to him.

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Ps according DM I am the one with dumbassery post which is based on his high quality so called friends knowledge of dealing of diareah of the pie hole. The only stupid comments that are posted are the ones DM gives thumbs up to showing approval that they are smart at my expense.

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I'll put the paper my bachelor's degree was printed on vs. your intellect.
 

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I'll put the paper my bachelor's degree was printed on vs. your intellect.

Bachelors degree is cracking backs, I have a piece of paper to unlike you that it doesn't mean shit in the real world. Also so how does that paper make you all knowing of what is dumbassery and what's not.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetically-engineered-crops-in-the-us.aspx

Dean right from usda
They call it genetic engineering not genetic modification

lunker has dropped the mic
 
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Bachelors degree is cracking backs, I have a piece of paper to unlike you that it doesn't mean shit in the real world. Also so how does that paper make you all knowing of what is dumbassery and what's not.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetically-engineered-crops-in-the-us.aspx

Dean right from usda
They call it genetic engineering not genetic modification

lunker has dropped the mic

the bachelors degree was in zoology ya dunce. stick to what you know. Google doesn't make you an expert.

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Anybody gettin any rain??;:;hijacked

sprinkled in south bismarck again this morning. i don't think one dropped touched another one. I haven't heard totals from yesterdays "storm."
 

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Lol and you are a back cracker, DM come on Google is just search engine nothing more. Its what gets you to what you are looking for.
 
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Lol and you are a back cracker, DM come on Google is just search engine nothing more. Its what gets you to what you are looking for.

which requires a doctorate. Better get back to that paving machine. I like a smooth road when hauling my boat around.
 


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