New police tactical machine coming to bismarck

[ShootnBlanks]

Everyone worked up on this machine's tacticle design just relax. It's only mission is to get governor Dougy from his house to the Capital and back daily.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I'm surprised at the response. I have worked part time LE for the past 32 years. If I see someone with a gun here in North Dakota I'm not going to be upset. Nine times out of ten they would help me if I was in trouble. If they were conservative it would be 10 times out of 10. Oh wait liberals don't carry guns. On the other hand 90% of the police you see are native North Dakota people. You have to watch the young ones they want to make a name for themselves. Us old geezers don't get to excited. I can't see this equipment ever being misused here in North Dakota.
I sort of compare this new machine to when lasers for our service handguns came out. The upper management said they shouldn't be used because it made it look like we wanted to shoot people. After a few years and some data that showed a laser on a guys chest resulted in an officer having to use his weapon fewer times. With an armed and determined criminal officers had to shoot --- I can't remember, but it was over 50% of the time ----- and with a laser the actual use of the weapon dropped to around 10%. Lasers resulted in lives saved. I think this equipment will do the same.
We talk about better relations with landowners. I think society as a whole needs better relations. I have no problem with making a little fun of myself, so if you see me wearing a badge just buy me a cup of coffee and a donut. I'll buy the next round next time I see you.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Nothing at all against LEO safety , My concern is the safety design of the equipment , It doesn't look like a finished product. At least put some back doors on it and hopefully it already has a camera system installed so operator can see where they are going .
250K is cheap for LEO safety equipment but with emphasis on the word safety. In some situations it would work well while other situations it's a funeral waiting to happen.

 

[guywhofishes]

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https://www.valleynewslive.com/cont...an-barricaded-in-Napoleon-home-507250361.html

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NAPOLEON, ND (News Dakota) - A man is in custody after surrendering to police following a nearly eight-hour standoff in Napoleon Saturday.

 

[johnr]

Those CAT skid steers can handle about anything, spring time mud on thawing ground might be a situation, but in a situation such as that, how often is an armed criminal going to be out in a mud bog, where a drone won’t just handle it

 

[Trip McNeely]

So they trailered that thing down to napolean, drove it off the trailer and stood behind it so they could justify buying it? What am i missing here because im not sure that was a “needed” piece of equipment in this particular situation.

 

[dean nelson]

So they trailered that thing down to napolean, drove it off the trailer and stood behind it so they could justify buying it? What am i missing here because im not sure that was a “needed” piece of equipment in this particular situation.

You know they have to spend that money on that sort of equipment right it's not like they can go out and spend on anything. Do you think that cop killed in Fargos family wish he had something like that to stand behind instead of what he had?

 

[Kentucky Windage]

You know they have to spend that money on that sort of equipment right it's not like they can go out and spend on anything. Do you think that cop killed in Fargos family wish he had something like that to stand behind instead of what he had?

Please explain “have to spend.” IMO this is how government uses and wastes money. I wish government would exercise more intelligence when it comes to spending. There would be less waste.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Would a hand-held kevlar shield be more logistical and cost-effective? Dean you are trying to sensationalize things.... im sure any deceased officer would like something they didnt have at time. Im simply asking if per this situation it was a cost effective solution. Imo it was a poorly vieled attempt at making a public justification for getting the unit. Also i dont feel that any department of any agency at any level of government “has” to spend taxpayer money on anything.

 

[dean nelson]

Please explain “have to spend.” IMO this is how government uses and wastes money. I wish government would exercise more intelligence when it comes to spending. There would be less waste.

This equipment was bought with a grant from the Homeland Security Department it has to be spent on such equipment as stuff like this. There was no local money spent in this whatsoever.

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Would a hand-held kevlar shield be more logistical and cost-effective? Dean you are trying to sensationalize things.... im sure any deceased officer would like something they didnt have at time. Im simply asking if per this situation it was a cost effective solution. Imo it was a poorly vieled attempt at making a public justification for getting the unit. Also i dont feel that any department of any agency at any level of government “has” to spend taxpayer money on anything.

Simple question what would you rather stand behind a Kevlar Shield or an armor-plated wall? It's easy to be Cavalier with somebody else's life but seeing as what cops have had to put up with these last few years I don't really condemn them for wanting to protect themselves!.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Dean, are grants not taxpayer money? Do we all not pay federal taxes? With attitudes like that its no wonder this country is in deep shit. Its still taxpayer money...... how about the cost to trailer and deploy said vehicle? Was that “local” tax dollars?.... do kevlar shields stop bullets? Then yes i would feel just fine with a hand shield in this situation. I can chop down a tree with a bulldozer but for a 6’ sapling a shear will do the job...... seems to me for what that piece of equipment cost they could have bought a skidsteer locally... had it painted locally and had a custom fabricator make a suitable platform and attachments (locally) for half the cost.....

 

[1bigfokker]

The grant from Homeland security came out of my pocket too.

 

[dean nelson]

So you're saying the Bismarck Police Department should not take advantage of government programs because you don't like how taxpayer money is being used on the federal level. I'd rather see the money go to stuff like this than some welfare rat! You act like it's All or Nothing but would you want to have the best protection possible out there or the minimalist?

 

[Kentucky Windage]

So you're saying the Bismarck Police Department should not take advantage of government programs because you don't like how taxpayer money is being used on the federal level. I'd rather see the money go to stuff like this than some welfare rat! You act like it's All or Nothing but would you want to have the best protection possible out there or the minimalist?

Yes! “Hey Uncle Sam, keep the skid steer, we don’t need it.”

P.S. stop wasting our tax dollars

sincerely,

Taxpayers of America

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This can be applied to many areas of government/ spending

Its a pretty simple concept that I have to live my life by. Why shouldn’t the government?

 

[Trip McNeely]

Not at all what im saying dean. This is one isolated case of millions every year that happen across the country. The “use it or lose it”government spending. Im sure our portion of federal taxes are being spent wisely by other departments across the country....(sarcasm)... grants imo are an easy way to spend other peoples money while they spend yours. Everybody is peachy because its “not local” money. Its like sitting at a blackjack table when one hand pays the other and in the end there is less scrutiny on how its spent because its not “local” money. This isnt even the part that troubles me the most. We can argue taxes and policy til we are blue in the face. The part i dont like is in some government office is someone who is trying to justify to their constituents this was a needed purchase. Justifying its use in this particular case fell way short and isnt fooling anyone regardless of which taxing body paid for it. And yes i would consider myself minimslist. Runaway spending without citizen oversight and scrutiny is how we become a government state. Im not saying they shouldnt have taken advantage of the grant system. Im saying the attempted justification of the purchase in this event fell way short in my eyes. Local entities take advantage of grant monies while grant monies take advantage of every US taxpaying citizen.

 

[1bigfokker]

Dean you seem to think that grant money just appears out of nowhere.

 

[WormWiggler]

an interesting dilemma, spend it or someone else will? way too many with their hand out...

a side conversation is the myth "if it saves one life, the cost in not important"...... very grimm to think about but there is a line there somewhere. then you start thinking about liability. If officer A had a super duper expensive gizmo then he would be alive, since the department did not utilize the best at the time equipment are they liable? Can't bring back officer A but (an I find this sad) the family would like millions... We are on a slippery slope with liability and judgements. Have a great day

 

[dean nelson]

Dean you seem to think that grant money just appears out of nowhere.

And you act like it's dependent on their asking for it it's not it's predetermined and appropriated by members of Congress the money is going to be there one way or the other!

 

[Trip McNeely]

Dean.... you, me, wags, and worm all walk into a bar...... bartender says all of you pay $40 up front and you drink for free. The bartender says you can have anything you want and hands all of us a menu with 3 drinks on it. Puzzled dean says I have to get one of these 3? The bartender says yes they are all free now that you paid...... dean says well I need a Zima and I dont see that on the menu. Bartender says well you gotta get whats on the menu or else we will give you portion of scotch to the other 3. Dean not happy and Zima-less at this point says well why dont we all pay 40 and get a full menu? Quickly thinking wags replies “wait..... how bout we all keep our 40$ and each of us just buy what we actually want and need...... dean you get your zima this way....

 

[johnr]

If Dean is a Zima fan, he has more problems then a limited all you can drink bar menu.