SB 2315 / Lockout

[wslayer]

Last year after deer season I drove down this dead ended prairie trail ( knew it did not go thru) and was glassing deer in posted land to see what made it through the season. Some "tool" came flying up beside me, first thing he did was stuck his phone up and snapped my photo. Then " what the fu@@ you doing "? Told him just looking at the deer. If I would have been thinking quick enough I should have grabbed my phone and took his mug shot. He is a Lockout booster. Other locals say he is a prick.

 

[ndlongshot]

Other locals say he is a prick.

ive noticed this is a common theme with these guys. Their neighbors and community members dont have much good to say.

 

[PrairieGhost]

So you are ok with them selling your public land to do this rather it be 5 or 500 isn’t the point, but you get upset with how a private landowner wants to regulate access to his private land??

Five or 50 is a big difference Skeeter. As for private land if you want to regulate it put up a sign. You pulled enough out of our pockets to afford a sign. As a matter of fact a larg part of your income is harvested from our pockets so dont get to high and mighty. At a time when we see socialists/ communists in our own gov who dont believe in private property, and would confiscate your land isnt a good time to crap on hunters. Your like the liberals who tried to destroy Trump, but now call for unity. Crap on hunters today, thdn call for unity when the likes of Harris and AOC come for your farm. You want to play peasants and kings and hunters are the peasants.

 

[fireone]

In 2019 the No Trespass bill was shoved through the Ad Committee which was a bunch of crap. Rumor has it in 2021 it will be the Natural Resources Committee. One of my House Reps said there are at least 3 different versions. It sounds like the Stockmen's Asc. are stepped aside. They lost a lot of money and political good will in 2019 by pushing this.

 

[Skeeter]

Five or 50 is a big difference Skeeter. As for private land if you want to regulate it put up a sign. You pulled enough out of our pockets to afford a sign. As a matter of fact a larg part of your income is harvested from our pockets so dont get to high and mighty.

I never took shit out of your pocket. All of the years I had cattle or the ranch has been in existence there was never any government payments of any kind received. We never farmed so got nothing.

 

[PrairieGhost]

How much federal land do you graze for pennies that the administration and any improvements are done with mostly tax dollars? I know no one in ag who isnt benefitting in one way or another from tax dollars. I remember a few years ago when the North Dakota people were kind enough that in an election they voted for those in agriculture to not pay sales tax on things they used in thier operation. Almost overnight ag stores like Home of Economy. Tsc etc started selling a lot more things. At Fleet Farm in Fargo I picked up some Tempo to spray mosquitoes. The lady asked if I lived in the country. I said yes why. She said I didnt hsve to pay sales tax. I said no kidding this is the first I ever heard that. She said you farm right. I said no. She said oh then you have to pay sales tax. So we both live in the ckuntry, but the farmer doesnt pay sales tax. Are his grandkids worth more than mine? In the end about the onlybtsx you pay is on your land. Salaried people take the brunt when it comes to taxes.

Oh and for the record I think the money and land for the library is a waste.

 

[TFX 186]

I tried to get in front of this with the senator of our district. I emailed and asked if we could do a poll of the voters in the district and see what the majority of voters wanted when it comes to this subject. I asked why wait until the very last minute and then the phone lines and email blows up. The senator didn't want anything to do with a poll. I was told it wasn't possible to poll the district. This bill and the politics with it smell to high heaven. It feels like it doesn't matter what the people say, the district reps and senator already have their mind made up on how they are voting when, not if, this comes up again. I absolutely didn't vote for any of them in the last election. Our district didn't have anyone who wouldn't vote for this bill. I have the very same sinking feeling with this shit as I have for the presidential election and all the corruption in our federal govt. I am still waiting for a grass roots group that has some leadership that is willing to fight this crap. I am willing to donate money to help the cause. It seams like the majority has their head in the sand with everything until their buddy brings it up at the last minute and then they are outraged. SMFH
I have a question for everyone........can the farm groups fuck with our fishing next???

Fish On!

 

[Skeeter]

How much federal land do you graze for pennies that the administration and any improvements are done with mostly tax dollars? I know no one in ag who isnt benefitting in one way or another from tax dollars. I remember a few years ago when the North Dakota people were kind enough that in an election they voted for those in agriculture to not pay sales tax on things they used in thier operation. Almost overnight ag stores like Home of Economy. Tsc etc started selling a lot more things. At Fleet Farm in Fargo I picked up some Tempo to spray mosquitoes. The lady asked if I lived in the country. I said yes why. She said I didnt hsve to pay sales tax. I said no kidding this is the first I ever heard that. She said you farm right. I said no. She said oh then you have to pay sales tax. So we both live in the ckuntry, but the farmer doesnt pay sales tax. Are his grandkids worth more than mine? In the end about the onlybtsx you pay is on your land. Salaried people take the brunt when it comes to taxes.[/QUOTE. Federal grazing is cheap, but you or I don’t have a say in how it’s regulated. I’ve no idea who set the rate. I’m unaware of not having to pay sales tax on ag purchases. Everything I ever bought from twine to hydraulic oil, vet supplies or parts was always taxed. Maybe it has something to do with chemical purchases only? I’ve said too much already and had no intentions of getting in a pissing match. I’ve been on and seen both sides of the coin. From living in the badlands where I basically had unlimited access to hunting, then moving to Beulah where I basically have hardly any access to hunting pretty much just made me stop hunting. I can only reference to the area I’m familiar with and this lockout will have no different affect to anything in that area because everything is already signed and posted. But I need to remind myself that it’s not like that everywhere and in many areas it’s hard to find contact info to get permission.

 

[bravo]

I have a question for everyone........can the farm groups fuck with our fishing next???

Fish On!

Yes. Like we saw in SD, you can be considered trespassing boating over a privately owned lake bottom. I honestly believe there should be some sort of relief for a landowner who’s property is 10 ft under water and they are still paying taxes on it (maybe there is?). But you bet your ass that is somewhere on the FB & FU docket in the future.

I need someone who is for this bill to help me understand why it’s pushed so hard. I want to hear real reasons besides being “pro-landowner’s rights”. That doesn’t mean anything. If it’s trespassers and poachers, there has to be better solutions that can satisfy outdoorsmen and farmers/ranchers and bring them together.

 

[PrairieGhost]

had no intentions of getting in a pissing match

Me either, it just hit a sore spot when I voted for that tax relief then get treated like a peasant in the kings court. Have a good day skeeter, and Merry Christmas to you.

 

[Skeeter]

Me either, it just hit a sore spot when I voted for that tax relief then get treated like a peasant in the kings court. Have a good day skeeter, and Merry Christmas to you.

Merry Christmas to you and your family. I’ll raise a glass of Jonny walker to you later when I get my chores done.

 

[TFX 186]

I finally got a deer tag for my unit. I was out scouting and noticed land that was posted and hadn't been posted in previous years that I've hunted. I know that I only get out for deer about every 5 years so I thought things must have changed. I know one of the farmers who had all his land posted and called and visited with him about hunting when the season opened. So I was told the reason for posting was because he has a gratis moose tag and posted for that. He also said that because he posted for moose, he decided to get the gratis deer tag also. He was kind enough to tell me he would call me when he was done hunting. he did call me but I had already filled my tag. So I think in the better moose areas, we are seeing more posted land for the gratis moose tags. I'm not even sure how the gratis moose tag works? I know I apply for a once in a lifetime tag.
I kinda wish my folks (They were rural city folks ) would have thrown me out and I was adopted by a farmer!

Fish On!

 

[Kurtr]

Yes. Like we saw in SD, you can be considered trespassing boating over a privately owned lake bottom. I honestly believe there should be some sort of relief for a landowner who’s property is 10 ft under water and they are still paying taxes on it (maybe there is?). But you bet your ass that is somewhere on the FB & FU docket in the future.

I need someone who is for this bill to help me understand why it’s pushed so hard. I want to hear real reasons besides being “pro-landowner’s rights”. That doesn’t mean anything. If it’s trespassers and poachers, there has to be better solutions that can satisfy outdoorsmen and farmers/ranchers and bring them together.

I place that firmly on sportsmen heads. The messes that where being left on the ice and blowing around were disgusting . We shot our selves in the foot there. If people had a little common sense and respect i dont feel that would have been passed

 

[wslayer]

I place that firmly on sportsmen heads. The messes that where being left on the ice and blowing around were disgusting . We shot our selves in the foot there. If people had a little common sense and respect i dont feel that would have been passed

BINGO. . . Happens all over the place, around lakes, public hunting lands, private. "Numerous" times, have pulled into an approach to glass and there is either beer cans, pop/ water bottles, cigarette packs, or some other type of garbage. And yes, I do pick it up. Sure does give us a poor image though.

 

[Traxion]

I place that firmly on sportsmen heads. The messes that where being left on the ice and blowing around were disgusting . We shot our selves in the foot there. If people had a little common sense and respect i dont feel that would have been passed

I agree. The "sportsmen" treated these lakes and the land around them as if they were their own public playground with no consideration for landowners. All it took was a few of the wrong ones with connections and/or money and here we are. There should be better tax relief for flooded lands in SD too, that didn't help the situation at all either.

This issue is incredibly polarizing from the SD view. I've stated in other threads, I see if both ways. Growing up in SD, I have never felt comfortable in ND hunting on unposted land without permission. Just feels funny. I have the mindset that why should a landowner HAVE to post it to keep people off? But, my relatives in the SE part of ND see it diffferently. If they post their land, they get pestered all fall with guys running out into the field, stopping the combine, to ask for permission. They'd rather it stays as is, they don't post and then don't get bothered.

 

[Dirty]

I know where I stood on this issue is now different than where I stand today. I hunt private and public land. I also own land. I’ve made lifelong friendships from asking to hunt a piece of property. I like watching other people enjoy my property. Like always, I try hard to see things from different perspectives...it’s a good tactic for those of you who have never tried it.

Just one tiny comment and I will then leave it back to you guys.
Just as they make “No hunting or trespassing signs”, they also make signs that say: Open to hunting, hunting allowed with permission, and signs with statements allowing just about any other level of access. They make them metal or durable plastic in addition to paper. One can easily get by with posting signs with whatever language you want, replacing them every ten years or less, and the cost is pretty minimal. The ability to limit the time spent posting land, the nuisance of people asking to hunt posted and/or unposted land, etc. is pretty easily and cheaply eliminated if one truly doesn’t want to be hassled by people hunting their land or asking to hunt their land.

I think for the most vocal people, this issue is about WAY more than allowing access. There are many chips on many shoulders at play...and naturally some people just need to bitch and complain about life just being too gosh darn hard.

If anyone actually thinks passing a law or not passing a law or creating an electronic system or any other system is going to make dishonest people all of a sudden turn honest, well...you’re not very smart to the ways of the world. People who didn’t give a shit about trespassing before or didn’t give a shit about hunters having access will care as little or less now. Those who weren’t part of your problems before still won’t be. Respecting other people and their property is very important. So is the act of being a decent human being. Many people on both sides of this issue have their priorities so messed up they’ve forgotten about both and willingly put that on full display all day long. THAT is the problem and it’s never going away.

 

[eyexer]

This is really all about not wanting to take the time or spend the money on signs. It’s that damn simple

 

[Dirty]

I respectfully disagree. That part of it is very simple but that is not what has caused this rift.

 

[Skeeter]

I know where I stood on this issue is now different than where I stand today. I hunt private and public land. I also own land. I’ve made lifelong friendships from asking to hunt a piece of property. I like watching other people enjoy my property. Like always, I try hard to see things from different perspectives...it’s a good tactic for those of you who have never tried it.

Just one tiny comment and I will then leave it back to you guys.
Just as they make “No hunting or trespassing signs”, they also make signs that say: Open to hunting, hunting allowed with permission, and signs with statements allowing just about any other level of access. They make them metal or durable plastic in addition to paper. One can easily get by with posting signs with whatever language you want, replacing them every ten years or less, and the cost is pretty minimal. The ability to limit the time spent posting land, the nuisance of people asking to hunt posted and/or unposted land, etc. is pretty easily and cheaply eliminated if one truly doesn’t want to be hassled by people hunting their land or asking to hunt their land.

I think for the most vocal people, this issue is about WAY more than allowing access. There are many chips on many shoulders at play...and naturally some people just need to bitch and complain about life just being too gosh darn hard.

If anyone actually thinks passing a law or not passing a law or creating an electronic system or any other system is going to make dishonest people all of a sudden turn honest, well...you’re not very smart to the ways of the world. People who didn’t give a shit about trespassing before or didn’t give a shit about hunters having access will care as little or less now. Those who weren’t part of your problems before still won’t be. Respecting other people and their property is very important. So is the act of being a decent human being. Many people on both sides of this issue have their priorities so messed up they’ve forgotten about both and willingly put that on full display all day long. THAT is the problem and it’s never going away.

This is the most level headed statement on this entire thread!! I’m firmly against the lockout proposal for the simple fact that it will change nothing. The land that is posted and don’t allow people on will continue to do so and the people that don’t respect this will continue to do so.

 

[PrairieGhost]

This is really all about not wanting to take the time or spend the money on signs. It’s that damn simple

Ill add to that with my grip and how I see things. My grip is thinking back to all the times I have voted or called a representative to support agriculture and get no appreciation. What I see is an attitude that they are better than us and we peasants should just send them our money, keep our mouth shut, and our feet of "their kingdom". No one likes being looked or talked down to. Everyone likes to be appreciated. We hunters more than anyone have always supported farmers. Farmers especially through Farm Bureau have always worked against us, and this bill is an example of that. All I want is a two way street.

Good post Dirty, and you too Skeeter.