SB2137

[Fritz the Cat]

In testimony Dr. Charlie Bahsnon and Brock wanted to talk about conditions in Canada and pockets in Wyoming and how an outfitters can't sell hunts because there are no mule deer. Pictures of deer carcasses after three days. Just bones. That is why people never see dying deer of CWD. Stories!!

Almost half of the herd at Wind Cave has collars with GPS tracking. They claim the herd is suffering three percent losses since 2002. If an animal slows down and can't keep up the herd, they know about it. If it dies, they should be on it as fast as predators. There are no wolves at Wind Cave.

We have this herd with great record keeping and its mum. Doesn't fit the narrative?

 

[wct12]

I still can’t get over that totally real text thanking them for being the world’s most generous and greatest landowners. Seems it was cut off just before complimenting his lovemaking skills.

Yes.. i make up texts from people to feel better about myself the nice upland hunters from Texas that stopped and pheasant hunted despise me also

Why don’t you creep my Facebook a bit? You’ll see the same kind of things I post on here on there lol

If you have any questions about my love making I’ll pass them along to my wife.. guessing she would rate as mediocre at best though

 

[Trip McNeely]

Also in testimony Dr. Bahson explained how EHD works differently and over time the genetics of a herd build up an immunity to EHD….. that part is true. But what I can’t comprehend is how does “targeted removal” or (indiscriminate slaughtering if we’re calling it what it really is)help in genetically strengthening the herd?…. As there is no way to test a live animal for cwd….. Firstly you are eradicating genes both good and bad. Secondly you are shrinking your genetic diversity in that areas which took generations to build. And lastly what if you wipe out the genes for other disease immunity that have been built up in the herd over those generations….Hur-fucking-ray we saved fhe heard from CWD but now pneumonia and EHD kills them off every single year. Abd thats not even getting into what happens after you wipe out all the deer in aj area…. What do the predators eat? they will turn to other game and non game species…. It will negatively impact everything up and down the ecosystem. Pheasants and turkeys will especially get hit hard once deer are gone. It’s sounds like an incredibly reckless and idiot idea to screw with an ecosystem that badly. I actually cannot believe anyone with any science background would actually think fucking with the ecosystem to this magnitude would be a good idea for a disease that doesn’t even kill deer in ND!!

 

[Pigsticker]

EHD is a real killer and should not be so easily dismissed. Herds don't just get over and rebound from it either. Sure, some areas can develop immunity, but here in the north outbreaks don't happen frequently enough for a herd to develop a strong natural resistance, hence why we keep experiencing die-offs when conditions are right.

I have personally witnessed several examples of "stags" a couple years after the EHD outbreak that occurred in our area and around the SW part of the state. These bucks had brittle and bloody, velvet covered antlers well into the rifle season, and shrunken testicles. These are both common conditions that can occur from the lesions that damage the testicles to the point of affecting hormone production. This isn't just a disease that deer survive and move on from, it certainly can have long term implications and negatively affect "potential" breeding bucks years down the road after surviving infection. Who knows what could happen to a does reproductive organs and if they can even maintain fertility...they are not as outwardly obvious as a bucks reproductive health indicators (antlers, testicles, rut activity or lack thereof).

 

[Kurtr]

Fucking midgets they wreck everything

 

[PrairieGhost]

There are no wolves at Wind Cave.

Coyotes will clean up a deer overnight. With that in mind do you know if the radio collars were fitted with radios that had a mortality signal? I suppose the coyotes may kill them before the disease could take full affect, but they should be able to retrieve some complet carcasses for necropsy. I think its time for a scientist to developed and internal temperature probe radio.

 

[Trip McNeely]

EHD is a real killer and should not be so easily dismissed. Herds don't just get over and rebound from it either. Sure, some areas can develop immunity, but here in the north outbreaks don't happen frequently enough for a herd to develop a strong natural resistance, hence why we keep experiencing die-offs when conditions are right.

I have personally witnessed several examples of "stags" a couple years after the EHD outbreak that occurred in our area and around the SW part of the state. These bucks had brittle and bloody, velvet covered antlers well into the rifle season, and shrunken testicles. These are both common conditions that can occur from the lesions that damage the testicles to the point of affecting hormone production. This isn't just a disease that deer survive and move on from, it certainly can have long term implications and negatively affect "potential" breeding bucks years down the road after surviving infection. Who knows what could happen to a does reproductive organs and if they can even maintain fertility...they are not as outwardly obvious as a bucks reproductive health indicators (antlers, testicles, rut activity or lack thereof).

Just my observation but it seems on years with higher EHD outbreaks muley bucks carry velvet longer or dont shed their velvet at all. My understanding is EHD is less impactful from a mortality srandpoint on mule deer and hits whitetails a lot harder. But as you mentioned and Ive witness it definitely impacts mule deer as well

 

[Trip McNeely]

Another fun fact….. Dr. Bahson also said in testimony that mule deer are generally more susceptible to cwd than whitetails….So explain to me then why they quit testing in unit 3f2 which has a higher population of mule deer and ramped uo testing in the eastern part of ND which has almost no mule deer whatsoever….? hmmmm

 

[bravo]

https://www.sayanythingblog.com/the-rob-report/

The face of the anti-CWD movement was on Rob Port’s podcast (the first half hour). An absolutely fascinating listen.

 

[bravo]

Also - it passed with a sunset date of 2029.

 

[8andcounting]

Also - it passed with a sunset date of 2029.

The senate yeh …. Still a ways to go

 

[bravo]

The senate yeh …. Still a ways to go

Right, did not specify.

 

[BrockW]

https://www.sayanythingblog.com/the-rob-report/

The face of the anti-CWD movement was on Rob Port’s podcast (the first half hour). An absolutely fascinating listen.

We have a front row seat to watching conspiracy theorists dictate wildlife management in North Dakota and It’s starting to attract national attention….

Meanwhile in Wisconsin…

“preliminary summary showed end-stage wasting (including starvation and infections) was the leading cause of death (57%) of CWD-positive adult female deer”

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...al-rates-among-cwd-positive-deer/77846784007/

And Arkansas

And Wyoming

And others….


But don’t believe the data, the pictures, or anything else…because Prions aren’t real…just ask Dusty.

 

[BrockW]

Congrats on the win guys. The angry mob prevailed! So goes politics….

Should be smooth sailing from here.

 

[riverview]

so now the vote is over we dont have to listen to your bullshit anymore?

 

[BrockW]

Another fun fact….. Dr. Bahson also said in testimony that mule deer are generally more susceptible to cwd than whitetails….So explain to me then why they quit testing in unit 3f2 which has a higher population of mule deer and ramped uo testing in the eastern part of ND which has almost no mule deer whatsoever….? hmmmm

They didn’t quit testing that area. They just switched to a rotational testing program to get more intense testing in others areas of the state, instead of just testing in areas where they already know the disease is.

Which is actually kind of funny, because apparently Dusty claims they’re getting money for positives from federal legislation that hasn’t even been funded….id be real curious how that works.

But if that were true and this was all about the money, you’d think they’d just want to test those hot spots over and over again. Yet….


This has all been made public for a couple years now, but I know some of you have a real fast and loose relationship with the facts. So I don’t expect it to fix any of the lies that keep getting repeated.


Trip, you got any of that science yet? I’m still waiting….

 

[BrockW]

so now the vote is over we dont have to listen to your bullshit anymore?

Awwww, youd miss me? I’m touched…

 

[Davey Crockett]

Coyotes will clean up a deer overnight. With that in mind do you know if the radio collars were fitted with radios that had a mortality signal? I suppose the coyotes may kill them before the disease could take full affect, but they should be able to retrieve some complet carcasses for necropsy. I think its time for a scientist to developed and internal temperature probe radio.

They have ear tags that monitor livestock .

https://www.701x.com/products-for-cows

 

[wct12]

They didn’t quit testing that area. They just switched to a rotational testing program to get more intense testing in others areas of the state, instead of just testing in areas where they already know the disease is.

Which is actually kind of funny, because apparently Dusty claims they’re getting money for positives from federal legislation that hasn’t even been funded….id be real curious how that works.

But if that were true and this was all about the money, you’d think they’d just want to test those hot spots over and over again. Yet….


This has all been made public for a couple years now, but I know some of you have a real fast and loose relationship with the facts. So I don’t expect it to fix any of the lies that keep getting repeated.


Trip, you got any of that science yet? I’m still waiting….

More intense in other parts of the state.. Then not follow their own science and protocols so their testing and protocols are essentially pissing in the wind if they won't even listen to the "science" they put forth to put restrictions in place.

I just find it funny that change just so happened to be a random 14 years later and 4 years after a big up tick in detections in the unit after their hunting restriction and culling didn't work how they wanted it to. If instances stay flat to decreased, the department would be putting 3f2 data in every slide show and power point they put forth on CWD.

 

[PrairieGhost]

They have ear tags that monitor livestock .

https://www.701x.com/products-for-cows

Thanks for the info. Technology sure has advanced beyond what I remember. Dang I'm old.