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Yup, I think that's the way I read it too when I first heard about this fiasco , It's not uncommon to get verbal approval to start construction once all the proper paper work has been submitted and approved. I thought that's what the ruckus was all about, Then later I read that the Historical society signed off on the paperwork without a site visit. If this is within an existing right of way of another pipeline that would explain why, I see no problem with that. Petty sure you could go on a witch hunt of drilling and construction permits and find quite a few that have a verbal to start construction before the contractor receives the hardcopy in the mail, Unless things have changed I the last two years.
The state historical society is not required to do a pre construction site survey on a pipeline and usually doesn't. A 3rd party archeological does a Class 3 survey (onsite, usually 2 or more times) and submits the report to the state. The state checks its archive to verify if there were no pre-registered sites and the methods/conclusions of the report. They are non regulatory and don't issue permits or anything like that.
 


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Talking with a friend today he said on the Scott Hennen show today there was a gal speaking about the prepatory work that went into this pipeline route. If he was right she said there were several archeologists that search the proposed route and it was moved 105 times to avoid cultural sites.

There are some posts on different sites that lay out in chronological order the process which includes the public comment periods which the tribe did not weigh in one supposedly as well as 7 different offers to meet with the tribe by the pipeline they turned down.

Facts....... nobody wants to know stinkin facts. You can't rev up the useful idiots with facts.
 

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Here is the video of the 30th anniversary of the Northern Border pipline. Not all of it is relevant here but a fare chunk is and this is where I got the pic of the dirt work at the Cannonball crossing and how they handled it.
https://vimeo.com/52494954
 

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Talking with a friend today he said on the Scott Hennen show today there was a gal speaking about the prepatory work that went into this pipeline route. If he was right she said there were several archeologists that search the proposed route and it was moved 105 times to avoid cultural sites.

There are some posts on different sites that lay out in chronological order the process which includes the public comment periods which the tribe did not weigh in one supposedly as well as 7 different offers to meet with the tribe by the pipeline they turned down.



Facts....... nobody wants to know stinkin facts. You can't rev up the useful idiots with facts.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/1...aw-treaties-signed-with-us-150-years-ago.html

[h=1]Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago[/h]Published December 20, 2007

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WASHINGTON – The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States. "We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.
A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.
The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.
The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said. The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said. Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said. "This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.
"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.
Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said. One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.
"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.
The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world. Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.
 

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So now we can stop paying them?

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I guess there will be toll roads?
 


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one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

I had heard it was 57. I also read that skeletal remains indicate the life expectancy before white people was only 33 years. Years with heavy snow and -20 degrees is tough in a teepee. I would also suggest that the life expectancy of whites would be no better if we used alcohol as they do. Fetal alcohol syndrome is not uncommon.
 

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I see next week that the ND Petroleum Council is having their annual meeting in Minot next week. They are worried the protesters are going to show up. Anyone want to come and watch the shit show, and maybe bring a shotgun with? :gotone:;:;boozerThey also posted this, "Please note the golf tournament previously scheduled for June 23 at the Vardon Golf Club in Minot, ND has been cancelled. We hope to see you in Medora on August 25." Chickens!! :;:huh
 
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So a few protestors ignored a court order to stay off private property. They were camped out on some farmers land. Looked like an alfalfa field. Well he took things in his own hands. Loaded up his honey wagon and gave them all a huge bath. Drove round and round their little camp ground just pouring the wood to his honey wagon. Spraying the shit all over em. Backed up one time too and turned it on. lOl. I laughed my add off the whole time. Get on Facebook you'll find it.
 

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So a few protestors ignored a court order to stay off private property. They were camped out on some farmers land. Looked like an alfalfa field. Well he took things in his own hands. Loaded up his honey wagon and gave them all a huge bath. Drove round and round their little camp ground just pouring the wood to his honey wagon. Spraying the shit all over em. Backed up one time too and turned it on. lOl. I laughed my add off the whole time. Get on Facebook you'll find it.

Link to it as the one I saw is from last summer
 


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Found this bit in the paper interesting.

But given North Dakota's brutally cold winters, people will need more than the campfires warming them these days."I'm pretty sure by winter there will be some buildings up," said Jonathon Edwards, 36, a member of the Standing Rock tribe who lives in South Dakota and has been here since April 1, when snow was on the ground. "People who came here came here to stay


Bet camp life is awesome in the rain with the fact most of that is piled up river silt! Won't be enough rain to make it to bad but enough to let the light weights know mother nature is on her way one way or another!
 


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