Well this is going to get interesting

[Wild and Free]

Agree completely, from my experience the ratio of Native Americans considered as good people is the same as for any other group of people. Having a backup of the reservation life-style does them no favors. From my experience they are often thought of as uppity if they leave the reservation and become successful. No incentive to improve and even looked down upon if they do.

You hit the nail on the head right there with that statement. My life long besty is an American Indian from the Turtle MTN chipewa, his dad left the reservation with a lot of others in the early 70's when the power plants were under construction, my friends dad stayed behind and got a lifelong job at one of the plants he helped construct and retired from it. My friend went to college for the same and has worked in the energy industry since too. We have had numerous talks about this, he has disowned all of his relatives on the reservation for the exact reason you stated above that I highlighted. He has no time or interest in listening to their bitches and complaints as they all have / had the same opportunities as he and his dad did. They all choose to stay there and be lazy and poor and complain about life.

 

[Wildyote]

I hope this does not escalate to what happened in the early 70s at Wounded Knee AIM movement.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Come to find out the pipe line doesn't have a corp eng easement. The "jins" are leaving - this story will be dead or is dead-- get rid of the that blockade so the Bismarck people can go to the casino and help the cause. I will bet that Judge delays another hearing and the construction is done until a later date - if it ever happens. meanwhile - I am going to walk along side south side of the river and get some rootys with a couple shorthairs - stir up whats left at the camp a little.

 

[dean nelson]

Oh it's definitely not over but the colder it gets the less support they will have. The blockade needs to come down because it's nothing short of Bullshit! I feel sorry for whoever at the state has to take all the angry calls from campers if graner isn't open by next weekend!!!

 

[Fish whisperer]

I've listened to chairman Archbault twice this week on the radio. Pretty much lost all respect for the protesters. I live near the future Fargo dam and know what it feels like to have something shoved down your throat. The big money people in Oxbow and the greedy leaders of Fargo are the only voices that were heard. The chairman has said its a peaceful, prayerful protest. I guess he hasn't seen the video of the people on horses charging at law enforcement and pulling off at the last second. Today he commented about disturbing the earth under the river and having man-made earthquakes like the ones in Oklahoma from all the fracking that's been done there. I guess I'm confused at how he's so concerned about the pipe breaking and contaminating the water but yet they have no problem with all the oil wells on the reservation???? So he's worried about the earth under the river and the water in the river but the land doesn't matter???? Evidently the money from the oil wells is clouding his vision.I for one am glad they pulled the water and supplies from them. I'm all for people protesting in the appropriate manner(emphasis on this) but tax dollars shouldn't be used to support them. If I was to protest the Fargo dam I sure wouldn't expect taxpayer resources.

 

[Kurtr]

I've listened to chairman Archbault twice this week on the radio. Pretty much lost all respect for the protesters. I live near the future Fargo dam and know what it feels like to have something shoved down your throat. The big money people in Oxbow and the greedy leaders of Fargo are the only voices that were heard. The chairman has said its a peaceful, prayerful protest. I guess he hasn't seen the video of the people on horses charging at law enforcement and pulling off at the last second. Today he commented about disturbing the earth under the river and having man-made earthquakes like the ones in Oklahoma from all the fracking that's been done there. I guess I'm confused at how he's so concerned about the pipe breaking and contaminating the water but yet they have no problem with all the oil wells on the reservation???? So he's worried about the earth under the river and the water in the river but the land doesn't matter???? Evidently the money from the oil wells is clouding his vision.I for one am glad they pulled the water and supplies from them. I'm all for people protesting in the appropriate manner(emphasis on this) but tax dollars shouldn't be used to support them. If I was to protest the Fargo dam I sure wouldn't expect taxpayer resources.

Standing Rock has no oil wells.

 

[Fish whisperer]

Standing Rock has no oil wells.

Sorry, I should have clarified...I wasn't referring to their reservation specifically. I was pretty sure Standing Rock didn't have any but I thought they have some up in the New Town area. I could very well be wrong though.

 

[Kurtr]

They do if Sr had them they would be all about the pipe. They are looking for a pay off just like the Und name thing.

 

[DirtyMike]

Here's what I know, I now have to take an alternate route to go drink beers with huffranger. Bunch of bs. Maybe I'll just keep heading south and have some prime rib at my uncles bar in selfrige.

 

[Rowdie]

Oh it's definitely not over but the colder it gets the less support they will have. The blockade needs to come down because it's nothing short of Bullshit! I feel sorry for whoever at the state has to take all the angry calls from campers if graner isn't open by next weekend!!!

Agree, blocking the Hwy that far north is asinine. Huge publicity stunt to scare the general public. Huge waste of money, and waste of police resources. Its huge (in my best Trump voice)

I got a chance to check out the camp on Wednesday. The traditionalists are in heaven. They get a chance to BE Indian. They're meeting with other traditionalists from a lot of other tribes. They take their culture and ceremonies very serious, and they now have an opportunity to enact it. I got to see a cool ceremony where they released two eagles, one golden one bald. From what people have said, they the camp just really makes them feel good. A lot of singing, dancing, and praying. They're calling themselves protectors, not protesters. Now you guys can point out all the problems on the rez, and there have been some decent points made on this thread. Some Natives have chosen to assimilate, move off and leave the red behind, but they usually leave their culture behind too. The old 'save the man' 'kill the Indian'. Others on here really have no clue or respect.

 

[Bed Wetter]

Agree, blocking the Hwy that far north is asinine. Huge publicity stunt to scare the general public. Huge waste of money, and waste of police resources. Its huge (in my best Trump voice)

I got a chance to check out the camp on Wednesday. The traditionalists are in heaven. They get a chance to BE Indian. They're meeting with other traditionalists from a lot of other tribes. They take their culture and ceremonies very serious, and they now have an opportunity to enact it. I got to see a cool ceremony where they released two eagles, one golden one bald. From what people have said, they the camp just really makes them feel good. A lot of singing, dancing, and praying. They're calling themselves protectors, not protesters. Now you guys can point out all the problems on the rez, and there have been some decent points made on this thread. Some Natives have chosen to assimilate, move off and leave the red behind, but they usually leave their culture behind too. The old 'save the man' 'kill the Indian'. Others on here really have no clue or respect.

This interests me.

 

[johnr]

Do these traditionalist live in teepees, ride horse to the "rally", eat grocery store food, take diabetes pills, drink purified water, use electricity?

Not stirring the pot, just see that traditionalists are selective in which traditions are kept.

No racism, or ill intent meant in my post. As a tax paying American, my only beef in this ordeal is the cost of controlling the situation.

If I was to show up at a protest in traditional johnr heritage, I would be called a kook, and likely jailed.

 

[WormWiggler]

Lets have a traditional protest against protests, I think I'm german, beer, brats, boobs.... I think we can call "B Me" .... how do we get the government check to start Mossy off cooking and the kegs on ice...

 

[dean nelson]

Agree, blocking the Hwy that far north is asinine. Huge publicity stunt to scare the general public. Huge waste of money, and waste of police resources. Its huge (in my best Trump voice)

I got a chance to check out the camp on Wednesday. The traditionalists are in heaven. They get a chance to BE Indian. They're meeting with other traditionalists from a lot of other tribes. They take their culture and ceremonies very serious, and they now have an opportunity to enact it. I got to see a cool ceremony where they released two eagles, one golden one bald. From what people have said, they the camp just really makes them feel good. A lot of singing, dancing, and praying. They're calling themselves protectors, not protesters. Now you guys can point out all the problems on the rez, and there have been some decent points made on this thread. Some Natives have chosen to assimilate, move off and leave the red behind, but they usually leave their culture behind too. The old 'save the man' 'kill the Indian'. Others on here really have no clue or respect.

And how is the mood at the rosebud camp? Many pine ridge boys show up yet?

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Lets have a traditional protest against protests, I think I'm german, beer, brats, boobs.... I think we can call "B Me" .... how do we get the government check to start Mossy off cooking and the kegs on ice...

Well if we're doing the whole traditional thing we could always have all the Norwegian guys go down and play a rousing game of Vikings versus Indians. That sounds way more fun the Cowboys vs Indians.......he'll they can even do the water invasion with their long boats on the lake. Then after all the fun both party's can sit down and see who can drink more beer. That would be the gold medal round of the Olympics of beer drinking right there i have no doubt:;:cheers

 

[Kurtr]

Lets have a traditional protest against protests, I think I'm german, beer, brats, boobs.... I think we can call "B Me" .... how do we get the government check to start Mossy off cooking and the kegs on ice...

I am half German and Russian so I will shoot vodka and chase with warm beer and then blackout and what happens from there is anyones guess. But this traditional protest thing is sounding pretty cool. Protest the protest that is some progressive thinking.......

 

[Trip McNeely]

And how is the mood at the rosebud camp? Many pine ridge boys show up yet?

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Well if we're doing the whole traditional thing we could always have all the Norwegian guys go down and play a rousing game of Vikings versus Indians. That sounds way more fun the Cowboys vs Indians.......he'll they can even do the water invasion with their long boats on the lake. Then after all the fun both party's can sit down and see who can drink more beer. That would be the gold medal round of the Olympics of beer drinking right there i have no doubt:;:cheers

had the vikings invaded the midwest this protest wouldnt exist. they were known to kill off every member
of a villiage and burn it to the ground. indians wouldnt be anything more than long-ago history. my ancestors were germans from hungary and the other side from holland. they arrived well after the west was tamed. they owned zero slaves. i and my ancestors had not a goddamn thing to do with oppressing or killing people. im tired of the "white privalage" bullshit because we have worked our asses off to get where we are. which is an over-taxed middle class white guy who works 50 plus hours a week. sometimes i feel the early natives were treated wrongly.... but then i stop and think. what if the europeans hadnt found the new world.... surely the japanese or chinese would have. maybe the aztecs would have slaughtered the plains indians. do u think ghengis khan would have set up reservations? the rest if the world was moving faster than the plains indians. had white men not taken over the west i can guaran-goddamn-tee you another advanced civilizatiob would have. and the outcome may not have been as favorable for the natives. no one has ever told indians to give up there customs and beliefs, much like every sect in the u.s. still carries many customs to this day. ie jews, christians, mexican, but its time to get with the rest of the country. either that or start paying for there own social programs because i am getting goddamn tired of it. either we do away with reservations and they become productive members of the same society as the rest of us or they keep their soveirng nation and reservations but they fend for themselves. no more entitlements and handouts. its gotta be one or the other. cant have both anymore if they wish to be respected.

 

[SeisMec]

I had to make some deliveries at the casino, then down at Fort Yates on Friday. The casino was dead for a Friday, the other interesting thing at the casino was the BIA Unified Command post set up in the parking lot. It seemed to be manned as it had 4 gov. plated vehicles parked in front of it. There were only 6 vehicles in customer parking and 3x as many behind in employee parking.
While coming back north I passed 3 Sheriff Deputies headed south driving one behind the other, each was from a different county.
I have a friend that has a buddy that is in the Guard, Military Police. He was at a counter-protest/urban pacification course, he was called back early. Same buddy has a friend that owns a security company that has 17 men down protecting the pipeline on a 24hr bases.
I just have to wonder how far this is going to go. Will people in Mandan or Bismarck put up with out of state paid protesters rioting in their towns or is there going to be citizens protecting businesses. I know that when they had the bridge blocked the other day they pissed a lot of locals off.

 

[dean nelson]

. no one has ever told indians to give up there customs and beliefs, .

Well this line isn't necessarily true. Back them the kids were sent off to white schools to make them into our society. Many places made it illegal to do many of their sacred rituals.


The race relationship with natives is kind odd. In so much as how much people dislike what they have become we almost to a man have HUGE respect for what they once were.

 

[Rowdie]

This is the 3rd time I tried to write this, first my tablet changed sites or linked over somehow, now my main computer is acting up. Maybe there is something too all this spirit stuff LOL

First Dean: The Pine Ridge boys were told to leave, at least the ones wanting to go crazy....so I've heard. ?? The camp on the south side of the river is small, only maybe 10 tents as of Wed.

Second Trip: I was with you on the what if some other country had conquered the plains or for that matter all of USA tribes. You could look to Mexico and South America and conjecture about Spain and Portugal, and you could look to Canada to see the results of losing the Revolutionary War. What if the death out of it and you may be right, they could have been totally wiped out. But they weren't. They won enough battles to EARN THE TREATIES THEY SIGNED.

Then you mad a statement so false it shows how little you know of the history. "Kill the Indian, Save the Man" was US policy. The made it AGAINST THE LAW to practice many of their ceremonies. Kind of ironic, that a country founded on freedom of religion, then makes it ILLEGAL for its Native population to practice theirs own religion. Boarding schools were built hundreds of miles from the reservations. Kids were literally rounded up, and forced to these schools. They were BEATEN FOR SPEAKING THEIR OWN LANGUAGE! I agree that assimilation would be the best path, but what makes me right? There are those who are holding on and holding on to a past that is no more. They are struggling to save their language. I could go gst on you guys and find hundreds of links and make page after page of boring posts, and still not change one missguided mind out there.

Most are just showing how little they really know about the situation. The news is not 100% accurate and is starting to look like propaganda.

 

[Kurtr]

If the protesters would have shown up to meetings before this they would have some credibility but they didn't care then why now is my question