Well this is going to get interesting

[Wild and Free]

If they actually posted something highly inflammatory or racist they wouldn't have a case. ND is a right to work state so anyone can be fired for just about any reason. It's definitely a bitch move but legal nonetheless. can someone post a direct link to it?

Scroll down the page just a bit and you will find the info I posted above.

https://www.facebook.com/waterissacred/?fref=ts

 

[deleted_account]

dam lost respect for some folks

on here? or the protest backers?

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Gosh, I hope none of the protesters lose THEIR jobs, for the inflammatory and derogatory things they're saying to the LEO's and security personnel..

this.

 

[Trip McNeely]

If they actually posted something highly inflammatory or racist they wouldn't have a case. ND is a right to work state so anyone can be fired for just about any reason. It's definitely a bitch move but legal nonetheless. can someone post a direct link to it?

ok so define racist comments. what if the truth is spoken but because it is towards s person who happens to be another race is that racism? isnt it thr
e truth as well? so how do you talk about reservations without being deemed racist because the truth is usually something negative. so by saying something to be true you are racist and can no longer say the truth? jesus what is wrong with this world

 

[dean nelson]

This would have to be true racist remarks to qualify not just a person speaking a known truth they just don't like.

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Will say no one even brings up the town in that protest area that the pipeline goes right through! It has far more residence then Cannon ball! Hell I bet they didn't even talk to the residents of this town and ask if it was OK with theme! Talk about rude if I was them I would dig some traps for the evil bulldozerstart!

#Prairiedogrightsmatter

 

[Kurtr]

Wonder how hunting will go with all the protesters

 

[dean nelson]

Well luckily highway 6 is faster way down then 1806.

 

[deleted___account]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKl78QYKTgc

 

[Kurtr]

Well luckily highway 6 is faster way down then 1806.

wouldnt that be some thing if things get worse they close that down and all the out of towners would be sol

 

[svnmag]

Good example of what you are saying is in the Gulf when the oil well blew out it is widely know and studied now that the oil did not do much for damage other than where it washed ashore and killed habitat there but on the open sea where they covered it with all the synthetic chemical dispersants which is what polluted the water and then caused the oil to sink and coat the ocean floor is what caused the damage rather than letting the oil dissipate and degrade naturally now it sits on the ocean floor for eternity causing dead zones.

They spray bacteria. I would like a lesson on making oil sink.

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--and see some of these "dead zones" from a submersible vehicle.

 

[Wild and Free]

Top of the list on a search for dispersants alone used in the gulf blow out.
First 2 paragraphs explain it alone.

[h=3]DISPERSANTS[/h]Chemical dispersants were sprayed in unprecedented quantities in the Gulf as part of the response to the BP oil spill. The toxic effects of these dispersants on marine life and humans provide yet another illustration of the dangerous environmental impacts of offshore oil drilling and why it must be stopped.
What are dispersants and why are they used in oil-spill response?
Dispersants are chemicals that are sprayed on a surface oil slick to break down the oil into smaller droplets that more readily mix with the water. Dispersants do not reduce the amount of oil entering the environment, but push the effects of the spill underwater. While dispersants make the oil spill less visible, dispersants and dispersed oil under the ocean surface are hazardous for marine life.

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/...t/oil_and_gas/gulf_oil_spill/dispersants.html

Then some explanation of the effects of it sinking.

http://www.nature.com/news/dirty-blizzard-buried-deepwater-horizon-oil-1.12304

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http://www.nature.com/news/dirty-blizzard-buried-deepwater-horizon-oil-1.12304

 

[svnmag]

Ummm yeah...sorry boss. Your sources are anti-energy and bullshit.

 

[Wild and Free]

Just proving a point not meant on my part to be anti energy and pointing out that chemicals and not biologicals were used in this case and also prove it was not all peaches and cream either.

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I guess this one has skipped every ones mind already after a year and a half.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/20/us/yellowstone-river-spill/index.html

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Shit happens, I am not defending whats going on one bit but still just submitting facts to even the tone a bit here. Just the way I roll my wife hates that about me that I don't pick sides even though I am a 110% carbon based conservative.:;:exactly

 

[svnmag]

You surely don't believe that crap....They spray bacteria. Oil doesn't sink. BP could not make a profit by poisoning the Gulf. Bottom or top. I will even go as far to say the "clean-up" was for show and diminished effort/funds to cap the well as natural cracks in the Earth release oil on a 24hr basis.

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Your use of CNN doesn't help your case with me.

 

[Wild and Free]

I spend a lot of time in Florida talking with locals and have seen numerous stories all stating similar info so I do not see it as BS especially where some of what I have read come from nonpartisan sources over the years.
Having worked in the diesel industry for years have seen and used products to separate oil from water and have seen products used in gravel operations as coagulants for dirt too that cause it to separate from water and sink about instantly to the bottom.

Corexit was what was used as the dispersant in the gulf, All chemically composed no biologicals in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corexit

 

[dean nelson]

Svnmag wild and free pretty much got this one covered other then that the MT spill was brought up on post 308. Dispersant job is to break up the spill into smaller particle size which then sink. It may be better for the shoreline and surface life but it's bad for under sea life. The stuff was some nasty shit but think the epa popped up some new regulations on them after the Deepwater horizon and banned some of the toxic chemicals that the dispersant head in it.

And even without spray some oil sinks and in the case of Canadian tar-sands Oil damn near the whole mass sinks causing huge headaches since we have no equipment designed to contain that kind of spill. Look up the Kalamazoo Michigan spill which is the largest onshore spill ever in the United States. They had to dredge the river bed to clean it up because most of the spill sunk.

 

[guywhofishes]

I've been to ground zero at BP oil spill (twice invited by officials to find the missing oil with lasers... ooooh), oil indeed can sink, most alarmist stuff is just that, disperants work due to bacteria (surface area deal), yadda yadda. Would love to explain but it's a holiday.

in any event - no worries long term with oil spills. Nature cleans it up in MOST circumstances. Brine, heavy metals, radionucleides, non-point nutrient loads, etc are much more nasty.

let's discuss next week eh?

cheers,
guywho'lgiveittoyoustraightwithnobsoragenda

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Yep, I was at ground zero on kalamazoo too. Tar sands are a unique animal. Bakken is anti-tar sands in makeup. Almost opposite on petro makeup.

 

[dean nelson]

Oh it's not almost it's completely on opposite ends. Bakken crude is as light of sweet crude you will find vs tar sands that is a friken lead brick. Our oil is the stuff if you have a spill you want since it will have the highest evaporation level of just about any crude you will find. And pluse it's great for seeing how far you can launch a train car in the event of a derailment.

 

[guywhofishes]

Nope - dispersant purpose was not for sinking.

Imagine that two nations are challenged to eat a cheeseburger with mass equal to Astrodome.

One nation makes 100,000,000 cheeseburgers and gives them to 100,000,000 people.

the other nation makes one cheeseburger the size of the Astrodome and gets 100,000,000 people to start eating it.

who wins?

It's a surface area issue. Dispersing oil creates trillions of micro-cheeseburgers for bacteria/weathering. One big floating blob... Decades or centuries to weather.


if someone wants to debate "deadzones caused by sinking oil" please bring peer reviewed articles to the forum. Not saying it's not possible, but dead zones in the gulf are nutrient - not toxin - based.

 

[dean nelson]

It would be nearly impossible to argue dead zones in that area since it's had a huge dead zone at the mouth for years now. Dispersant jobs are to break it down into smaller particles which can be easily spread out through the water column. So you end up sinking vast amounts of oil compared to what naturally would have sunk. Thats the big rub with using them is the tradeoff of where the oil goes. Is it better to sink the oil into the water column where it will then have an impact on the under water ecosystem but will breakdown faster or to let it stay on to and inundate the shoreline.

 

[svnmag]

So it can sink with an API or gravity between 42 and 50+ at 60 degrees?...