Deer Licenses

[Kentucky Windage]

$20 says that the guys wanting a one tag system are rifle only hunters hating on the bow and muzzy guys for tapping into “their” buck tag.

 

[Obi-Wan]

$20 says that the guys wanting a one tag system are rifle only hunters hating on the bow and muzzy guys for tapping into “their” buck tag.

Where can we meet so I can collect my $20

 

[Kentucky Windage]

Where can we meet so I can collect my $20

Tear up all but one tag.

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#proveit

 

[Obi-Wan]

Tear up all but one tag.

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#proveit

Kentucky Welcher You stuck your foot in your mouth now back it Up

 

[db-2]

Post 257 by twitch:
The issue is not how the tags are given out, who gets and if one gets more than one but what was said in that post.
It is the focus for our future. db

 

[Kurtr]

Kentucky Welcher You stuck your foot in your mouth now back it Up

kinda phony getting more than one tag whilst bitching about people getting more than one tag aint it? How does it go do as i say not as i do or something like that. this is fun

 

[Obi-Wan]

kinda phony getting more than one tag whilst bitching about people getting more than one tag aint it? How does it go do as i say not as i do or something like that. this is fun

Until the rules are changed I have to play by them. Yes I have both rifle and muzzy tags but I will not be purchasing a bow tag this year. when you have to apply for the tags at the same time without any guarantees on drawing either you increase your odds by applying for both.

Kurtr do you hunt deer during the rut or do you hang up your bow and rifle until after the rut ?

 

[eyexer]

$20 says that the guys wanting a one tag system are rifle only hunters hating on the bow and muzzy guys for tapping into “their” buck tag.

I haven't hunted deer in close to ten years. Actually have no desire to anymore. The system is now a complete failure and you will see more and more people give up deer hunting as a result. Same thing is happening with bird hunting. Less and Less will be hunting. I just read in pheasants forever magazine that hunting license sales in this country are down by 74.5% since 1970. Think about that. Our populations has probably doubled since then yet license sales have dropped 74.5%. The biggest reason for that is access to places to hunt and attitudes of other hunters.

 

[jdinny]

eye I don't disagree with the fact there is less hunters today however I do feel that stat is open to interpretation/ flawed a bit. hunters are more specialized today and maybe don't hunt a wide variety of game but are very hardcore spending more days afield chasing select game/fish. back in the 70"s though I wasnt around I would bet the entire family had tags, went and did a deer drive and 3 guys shot most of the animals. so to say license sales have dropped yeah prolly true but to say that the people harvesting game has dropped 75% I don't buy that.

not trying to argue just always be wearying of stats and their interpretation as we all know whomever can skew them to whatever side they want

 

[Davy Crockett]

$20 says that the guys wanting a one tag system are rifle only hunters hating on the bow and muzzy guys for tapping into “their” buck tag.

I'll take that bet, Read this. http://dakotacountrymagazine.com/news/one-tag-only/

 

[db-2]

By 1900 the Bison were for the most part gone and whitetail were going next as stated due to over hunting.
It was 1913 when they stop offering license to hunt whitetail to try and save the population of deer and that did not come back until 1931. Bucks only to keep the females making fawns.
Not sure what kind of habitat was available in the early 1900 but I know there was a lot of land left idle from the 30s with the banks owning a lot of the land, mainly Federal Land Bank who kept 50% of the mineral rights. Horses could not farm the land like the green and red equipment does now days. There was no fence row to fence row farming back then then but in time the fence rows were all gone along with the small herds of cattle, dairy, chickens ect. and waste land. Trashing machines left a lot of straw piles back then and a lot of fields were taken over by quackgrass.

In 1950 there were less than 20000 whitetail license. I was a part of that time and we wore red caps and a red handkerchief pin to our back. Never was a question of getting a license. There were not a lot of deer and other than the family I knew of no others hunting deer. I assume the population of ND is the same as back then with the exception of the oil workers.

Then some time ago I remember a dentist telling the story how at that point he had shot 25 does, all with the blessing of game and fish and giving the deer to his customers (not that long ago). There was no end to the number of does one could shoot. Then we say it was the bad winters and loss of habitat that cost the decline in deer. History does repeat itself. Now we fight between each other on what is right, who gets what, blame habitat and winter which is a part of the problem and repeat history by a blessing with those in the know.
So maybe we go back to 1913 and wait 18 years before anyone gets a license. Or maybe we work together to find answers and no game and fish is not where I would turn to for answers. They are book leaners who for some lost common sense. db

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unit 7 set 6 bring back the game hunting and game conservation in nd

 

[Kurtr]

Until the rules are changed I have to play by them. Yes I have both rifle and muzzy tags but I will not be purchasing a bow tag this year. when you have to apply for the tags at the same time without any guarantees on drawing either you increase your odds by applying for both.

Kurtr do you hunt deer during the rut or do you hang up your bow and rifle until after the rut ?

nope I use a spear and don’t bitch about everything. Just sayin

 

[Obi-Wan]

nope I use a spear and don’t bitch about everything. Just sayin

Since you dodged the simple yes no question I will take that as a no I do not hang up my bow and rifle and I do hunt during the rut, which with your logic makes you a phony

If I say something is broken and needs fixing you call it bitching do I need to remind you who posted this statement

" Rifle season during the rut makes no sense we have same issue with that down here. "

Sounds like bitching to me, Just sayin

 

[KDM]

This thread flat out makes me laugh!!! This whole argument/discussion has nothing to do with a lack of deer numbers, or a lack of habitat, or a lack of opportunity to hunt, or a lack of places to hunt, or a lack of management, or any other BS excuse. It's all about SELFISHNESS and complaining when you can't go hunting exactly where you want for whatever deer you want with whatever weapon you want every year. The reality is, there's no lack of deer to hunt in ND as there are always left over doe tags for ND. Get one of those and go hunt. If you only want to hunt horns, it costs 165 bucks for a MN over the counter rifle/shotgun tag for a buck. Just over 100 more dollars than to hunt a buck in ND when you add the general game and habitat stuff it takes to hunt deer. Lots of public land over there with lots of bucks and lots of opportunity to hunt and there are BIG bucks over there. Get a tag and go hunt. If you feel you live too far from MN, MT has OTC whitetail doe tags or any doe tags (B tags) for 80 bucks. About 30 dollars more than to hunt a doe here in ND when you add the extra stuff. Get one of those and go hunt. Lots of land to hunt with lots of deer. Don't think of it as just a doe tag. Think of it as an armed scouting trip for next year. Hunt for next years buck/elk/antelope while filling the freezer with good venison this year. There is also the constant ability for anyone to hunt horns in ND with archery equipment EVERY YEAR. Choose to hunt or don't choose to hunt, it's all up to you with nothing or nobody to blame but yourself if you decide to sit it out on the couch. Carry On!!

 

[Kurtr]

Since you dodged the simple yes no question I will take that as a no I do not hang up my bow and rifle and I do hunt during the rut, which with your logic makes you a phony

If I say something is broken and needs fixing you call it bitching do I need to remind you who posted this statement

" Rifle season during the rut makes no sense we have same issue with that down here. "

Sounds like bitching to me, Just sayin

thats not bitching that’s stating facts. Rifle season during the rut gets a lot more mature bucks killed than if it wasn’t. Seems you are in the minority on if it is broken. So.........

 

[Obi-Wan]

Do you hunt during the rut???????

thats not bitching that’s stating facts. Rifle season during the rut gets a lot more mature bucks killed than if it wasn’t. Seems you are in the minority on if it is broken. So.........

 

[db-2]

KDM this topic does not really make me laugh (yes it just a statement) due to the seriousness of it But you have make some good points with the selfishness.

3 tags for mule deer over 21 years and now am going to be 72 so not many more to go depending on if I live to be 120 or not. Money will run out before then so if I decide not to die I guess I will not hunt due to monies.
( I do feel luckier than my dad as he could not hunt as a young man due to no licenses back than and it took until the 1950 before there were enough deer for all to hunt after what happen in the earlier 1900.)

But yes maybe if there was a way to change so I could hunt more mule deer could understand pushing for that at your expense.
Due to issue with the shoulder now have a cross bow so do feel more confident about an ethic shot on my part and at longer distance.

So I now have that advance over most that the current rules give me. Not sure if the reason for that is what I wanted to have but I have it now for the next 4 years.

I hope to, if not this year with my son and daughter-in-law who have invited me along then, next year with not working full time I will try for a mule deer with my bow. And maybe the next year after that.
Only concern is if I did harvest a mule deer with my bow a damn 170 class whitetail buck will show up at my stand at home in December.
But then the rule if you are over 72 one gets double the license. I believe that is in the rule book. no/yes db

 

[Kurtr]

Do you hunt during the rut???????

Yes and it is the reason I have killed a lot of bucks easily so changing it would mean more bucks do more screwing and more deers are born so more tags are given and less bitching about not hunting. It’s science bitches

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I don’t bait as it is illegal and not sporting enough for us sodaks. :;:stirthepot

 

[KDM]

Another thing I'd like folks to look at and be aware of. This poll concerning deer tags and what to do with them is as good as it gets with respect to being evidence showing individual bias, not to mention this whole thread. What you have here is a visual representation of why individual mail in surveys, online data collection, phone surveys, and the like SHOULDN'T be used as true data to be used for the management of any game species. EVERYONE has an agenda that they will push either consciously or subconsciously which makes this data subjective in nature. Meaning the data is subject to the individual bias of each and every person providing the data. Just look at the variability of opinion and bias shown in the survey as well as throughout this thread. To think that this bias won't show up on a survey is just plain being ignorant. Think about this the next time a data collection method that relies on individual responses is used or suggested. Think about how such a survey can be skewed by individual opinions and then how that can impact the decision outcome. Individual surveys should be used as anectodal information and nothing more. Objective data such as actual counts or transects done by the managing individuals greatly reduces the amount of bias for a given data set and are MUCH MORE useful as management information. Again, carry on!!!

 

[db-2]

Yesterday I got a call from a young girl if I would vote for Heide or Kramer.
I said Kramer and then she asked me to spell Kramer.
So you tell me what that poll was going to lead to for an opinion. db