changing nonresident bow season

[shorthairman]

From a NR perspective (by the way, I am barely a deer hunter in NE so put the rope away...I'm not going to come up and shoot your deer...)

Under $250 to get a deer tag in Nebraska with youth NR at $8. Western NE has Mule and Whitetail so opportunity to hunt both.

I think I am correct in that all National Parks are supported by all Americans who pay taxes. Same with wildlife management areas that the USFWS maintain. I'm sure the money spent for my migratory bird stamp doesn't just stay in NE.

Also, NR spend extra money in ND that wouldn't otherwise get spent there. On top of paying 5x the price for a tag (which when compared to WY and MT $250 is low I agree), NR buy gas, groceries, beer, hotels, gloves and shells left at home, new boots after they realize the ones they have aren't waterproof, taxidermy if fortunate...keep reading maybe not so fortunate...etc. That is extra income for your state. Apparently these are hung over bumbling idiots with stinky feet coming in from up wind that skyline and need a hunter etiquette course so they probably aren't harvesting deer anyway...I would guess not really hurting the deer population.

I agree it can be frustrating to pull up to a spot only to find it already occupied by a NR vehicle. I've been on both sides...I got started on this site because I came up to fish Sakakawea and some of you were helpful with suggestions, but I'm pretty sure some of the guys looked at our boat sticker before deciding how much information they were going to give...if any. Being in education I only have weekends during hunting season so I value that time and when something throws a wrench into what I thought was a well laid out plan, I can either throw my arms up and go back home or move on to plan B. I don't think moving NR back 2 weeks will solve the issue. They will just come in 2 weeks later...might as well get it over with early. Most probably won't or can't be back later, so wait 'em out and get out there when the hunting is better anyway.

 

[sweeney]

From a NR perspective (by the way, I am barely a deer hunter in NE so put the rope away...I'm not going to come up and shoot your deer...)

Under $250 to get a deer tag in Nebraska with youth NR at $8. Western NE has Mule and Whitetail so opportunity to hunt both.

I think I am correct in that all National Parks are supported by all Americans who pay taxes. Same with wildlife management areas that the USFWS maintain. I'm sure the money spent for my migratory bird stamp doesn't just stay in NE.

Also, NR spend extra money in ND that wouldn't otherwise get spent there. On top of paying 5x the price for a tag (which when compared to WY and MT $250 is low I agree), NR buy gas, groceries, beer, hotels, gloves and shells left at home, new boots after they realize the ones they have aren't waterproof, taxidermy if fortunate...keep reading maybe not so fortunate...etc. That is extra income for your state. Apparently these are hung over bumbling idiots with stinky feet coming in from up wind that skyline and need a hunter etiquette course so they probably aren't harvesting deer anyway...I would guess not really hurting the deer population.

I agree it can be frustrating to pull up to a spot only to find it already occupied by a NR vehicle. I've been on both sides...I got started on this site because I came up to fish Sakakawea and some of you were helpful with suggestions, but I'm pretty sure some of the guys looked at our boat sticker before deciding how much information they were going to give...if any. Being in education I only have weekends during hunting season so I value that time and when something throws a wrench into what I thought was a well laid out plan, I can either throw my arms up and go back home or move on to plan B. I don't think moving NR back 2 weeks will solve the issue. They will just come in 2 weeks later...might as well get it over with early. Most probably won't or can't be back later, so wait 'em out and get out there when the hunting is better anyway.

yep that's where we are at now and that is why this poll is about, if people think it is a good idea or worthwhile for the resident to get an extra two weekends, for the resident who may only get a couple trips a year or whatever just to calm down the bow opener for the North Dakotan. It's not about deer populations it's not about changing the way tags are issued or how much money NR bring to the area or how they hunt or what they shoot. It is just about giving ND residents first shot without NR for two weeks before they can run wild. So far it seems pretty evenly split.

Even though you admittedly don't deer hunt much as a nonresident would you not buy a tag here if you couldn't hunt the first two weeks of season? I'm guessing not but if so why?

 

[SS729]

I lived in ND for my first 28yr. then got married and found affordable housing in Minnesota a mile from the border and have live there for 24yr. I hunt and fish with family and friends from ND all the time and pay the out of state fees without complaint because I choose to live in MN. Am I a out of stater? Technically yes, but a get a chuckle especially out of some of these young guys when they see my BLUE PLATES and I hear "Go back to MN your stealing my resources". People like this are ruining the heritage of hunting for all the young people that are growing up today. Soon there will be no place to hunt for anybody unless you can buy your own land or pay your way on. I would like to see the fish n game in every state somehow come up with a sliding fee scale all the way up till they are my age. I can afford the licenses and such but young guys can't for the most part. So the younger generation no matter where they come from can enjoy the outdoors the way I did and hook them for a lifetime. Look at what has happened to the deer rifle heritage in ND. I use to look forward every year to going with family and friend in ND. Now that is impossible and after a few years of not getting the tag it isn't important anymore and they find something else to do as say golf. We have now lost that generation and their children. Keep trying to change things to benefit yourself is not the solution. I have a 17yr old boy that just loves to hunt and fish. I have tried to encourage this as much as possible. I am scared that the future for him in the outdoor world will be short lived if things keep changing the way they have with all the fees and posted land.

 

[CrankB8]

I was out west this opener and ran into what I think were NR hunters...One guy was from Fargo and lived there. His partner said he used to live in Fargo and now resides by Brookings SD. After talking hunting for awhile the SD resident stated it was his 15th year in a row coming to this particular area. I didn't ask but couldn't help question how in the world he drew a tag that many times in a row?
Also, I hunted deer in the am and after trying morning stalks I took the afternoons to drive the country side looking for Antelope and I will say the number of NR pickups VS resident ones was 3:1 where I was at.

 

[sweeney]

So if you had to wait until the 3rd weekend to bow hunt,would it affect you as a chosen mn resident, would you not buy a nd bow license? The whole point of choosing a state to live in other than say for military reason is you enjoy what that state has to offer you and the benefits that come with living there. Prices of tags for nr wouldn’t change just season dates. As far as not getting drawn for deer gun tag it is simple apply doe first choice and you are almost guaranteed a tag yearly. My family has killed more wt does in the badlands than Muley bucks over the last 10 years we find a way to hunt together 2 years of not getting a buck would be welcome instead of 5-8. But all that is beside the point and I have accepted that the hunting pressure and waiting for a tag are part of the game now more than ever and am ok with it. Just wondering if as a nr would you not buy a nd bow tag if you had to wait.

 

[Meelosh]

This may be a good place to mention that fall turkey apps are due today.

 

[CutEm]

I have thought about this often myself. I usually throw in the thoughts of not letting them hunt in November during the rut/rifle season.

I agree its a slippery slope. At the end of day its only 500 or so tags spread across over a million acres. My advice to most would be get off Magpie Road and look elsewhere. Most NR's dont stray far from the road. Some do of course but most come for the scenery.

 

[sweeney]

I have thought about this often myself. I usually throw in the thoughts of not letting them hunt in November during the rut/rifle season.

I agree its a slippery slope. At the end of day its only 500 or so tags spread across over a million acres. My advice to most would be get off Magpie Road and look elsewhere. Most NR's dont stray far from the road. Some do of course but most come for the scenery.

yeah that is a fact. I use magpie or blacktail or east river road to come into some of the spots I hunt and magpie is usually by far the most populated. but I have noticed in the past 3 years from fryburg to squaw creek all along has plenty of NR plates opener.

 

[SDMF]

Alright. You want input from gramps, here it is. First of all, what will you be gaining by knocking back the NR season for two weeks??

You'd be bumping up against archery opener in MN/WI which is usually ~ 9/15ish as well as negating the long Labor Day weekend. You'd also effectively eliminate the opportunity for those excluded from the 1st 2 weeks in ND to shoot a deer in velvet.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there are a couple of things that might make NR archery hunters decisions much more difficult.

 

[shorthairman]

In a really long way...the point of my first post was that public land is just that...public land. As a tax payer the National Parks and USFWS lands belong to all of us regardless of if I reside in the state it is in or not. Would I feel sheepish driving up to the Roosevelt NP and acting like I owned it because I pay taxes...YES, but part of my tax dollars do go to support it.

Sweeny, if I were to pay NR fees to hunt deer I would hunt the rut because that is my best chance at a trophy, so unless the first two weeks were during the rut it wouldn't matter. However, if my concern was that I want an equal shot with everyone else to be the first guys in the field to get at the deer before they get "educated", I might look for a different state that allows NR to open up with the residents.

 

[CutEm]

yeah that is a fact. I use magpie or blacktail or east river road to come into some of the spots I hunt and magpie is usually by far the most populated. but I have noticed in the past 3 years from fryburg to squaw creek all along has plenty of NR plates opener.

In fairness I havn't been out opening weekend the last few years. Usually on the lake, crushing coors lights and taking in the last weekend of the year. I save hunting for when the bikinis disappear.

 

[sweeney]

In a really long way...the point of my first post was that public land is just that...public land. As a tax payer the National Parks and USFWS lands belong to all of us regardless of if I reside in the state it is in or not. Would I feel sheepish driving up to the Roosevelt NP and acting like I owned it because I pay taxes...YES, but part of my tax dollars do go to support it.

Sweeny, if I were to pay NR fees to hunt deer I would hunt the rut because that is my best chance at a trophy, so unless the first two weeks were during the rut it wouldn't matter. However, if my concern was that I want an equal shot with everyone else to be the first guys in the field to get at the deer before they get "educated", I might look for a different state that allows NR to open up with the residents.

so you are a rut hunter so you would still buy a tag....but equality make believe you would maybe pass I see I am going to have to make another poll next week ;:;rofl thanks for your input have you ever been to the TRNP, or the surrounding national grasslands?

 

[Whisky]

Can NR college kids get resident status for deer tags? I know they do for waterfowl so I assume they can for deer also?

Well guess what guys didnt you hear? Backcountry western bow hunting is the new in thing to do.

Reminds me a lot of where waterfowl hunting was maybe 15 years ago or so. Then along came Avery and GHG and Fred Zink and skull caps, down she went from there.

I can understand sweeney's frustrations. And the increase in pressure isn't only coming from NRs.

 

[sweeney]

I am pretty sure we offer resident pricing for college students if their state does the same.

 

[zoops]

Can NR college kids get resident status for deer tags? I know they do for waterfowl so I assume they can for deer also?

Don't believe so; couldn't as of a few years ago anyway.

 

[sweeney]

https://gf.nd.gov/licensing/residency

non lottery licenses aka bowtag they may qualify for.

 

[Whisky]

Well there's your sudden increase in NR vehicles. College kids....there has always been some NR out there but not on a 3:1 ratio with residents. NR tags have not increased at least to my knowledge.

 

[dean nelson]

i don't want to restrict them from public land technically, i just want the resident to have a crack at it first before the hoards get to romp around. Personally i think opening weekend is overrated the older I get, but it is opening weekend of bowhunting, it is more the tradition for me to go out, then actually the hunting. Like this year I went out at 6pm Saturday and was back at the lake at 6pm sunday. Not because there aren't good deer or places to hunt but because I know firsthand how the numbers have grown on public land and I get it, people fall in love with the same thing I did years ago being able to take off over a stretch of 4 miles and hunt all day if you want. I just think it would cut down on the congestion in these public areas if the state deemed resident only the first two weeks of bow season. I am pretty sure all the tags would still sell and it would give the resident gal/guy who can only maybe hunt with their kids on a holiday weekend a little less competition and maybe give the deer a little bit less stress from being stampeded through the grasslands by every wanna be Eastman NR out looking for velvet. And if you really think its about me being selfish, I would send you a picture of my bow sitting at home the first weekend every year. I personally just would rather see our ND residents get a first crack at hunting ND before it gets swarmed over by the sconis and sotans, like has been happening more and more each year.

I for one have no problem pushing the date back for them we do it for pheasant on public ground that is state owned and we do it for ducks and geese but you'll find the federal government will not allow you to dictate who can and cannot enter the national grasslands property that they control! There's a reason why when non-residents are limit in the state they're only limited on Game and Fish property not on federal because we have no legal right to dictate who can and can not use federally on ground so that is a non-starter from the beginning! As long as a season is open for them they will be allowed to hunt there unless no one is at all.

 

[sweeney]

Well there's your sudden increase in NR vehicles. College kids....there has always been some NR out there but not on a 3:1 ratio with residents. NR tags have not increased at least to my knowledge.

Must have an influx of 30-60 year old college kids hahaha

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I for one have no problem pushing the date back for them we do it for pheasant on public ground that is state owned and we do it for ducks and geese but you'll find the federal government will not allow you to dictate who can and cannot enter the national grasslands property that they control! There's a reason why when non-residents are limit in the state they're only limited on Game and Fish property not on federal because we have no legal right to dictate who can and can not use federally on ground so that is a non-starter from the beginning! As long as a season is open for them they will be allowed to hunt there unless no one is at all.

Obviously that’s why you push the date back not limit where they can hunt.

 

[Big Iron]

I have often wondered if NR bowhunters realize that their otc tag isn’t applicable for mule deer... or maybe they don’t care? Claim ignorance? It seems like there was a shitload out over the two weeks I was out last fall

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