ND Constitutional measure

[Zogman]

Most of the GOP in ND are RINOS. Look at their voting records . They are mostly democrats.

Very TRUE!

 

[tdismydog]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

 

[johnr]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

Not take it from the tax payer in the first place?

lower property tax?

Maybe?

 

[SupressYourself]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

How about back in my pocket?
I have no problem paying for whatever my family needs. That's my responsibility. I don't need to pay for everyone else. There's far too much of that crap going on in this country already. Nothing is "free".

 

[Prairie Doggin']

I somehow with my limited skill set, basic education, and terrible personality have always somehow figured out how to feed my 4 kids without needing my neighbor to step in. I knew off the bat, having a kid meant I needed to feed, clothe, and care for them.

This is the thing that needs to be hammered home. Maybe teach this in school.

 

[Sluggo]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

I have no doubt it will pass. People think free means free. Your comment makes it sound like there is a pile of money that didn't once come from a taxpayer that we need to spend. I am all for giving people a hand up but making more people dependent on government welfare is not good for anyone. Everyone that is getting help should be striving to get off of it so they can make it on their own.

 

[Colt45]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

man, this is really quite the question
Instead of not taxing we the people unnecessarily or even returning it to we the people, I think we should instead of free lunches for everyone just open up some free learing centers and free daycares, and amend the ND constitution to prohibit any and all investigations into the free learing centers and daycares. We would have criminals policing the criminals, what could possibly go wrong?

I cant wait to vote down the elimination of property taxes again! The government is neat!

 

[johnr]

man, this is really quite the question
Instead of not taxing we the people unnecessarily or even returning it to we the people, I think we should instead of free lunches for everyone just open up some free learing centers and free daycares, and amend the ND constitution to prohibit any and all investigations into the free learing centers and daycares. We would have criminals policing the criminals, what could possibly go wrong?

I cant wait to vote down the elimination of property taxes again! The government is neat!

The tax rate for income tax back when initiated was 3%, and was supposed to be temporary.

Well now its for me anyway at 24% fed tax rate...

Yep we need more "free" shit

 

[Traxion]

Dumb question- with this proposal, where is the funding coming from? General fund? Future fund or whatever the oil kitty is? Just curious for my own context. I’m in SD and hope they tax the crap out of you lol!

 

[Zogman]

FYI
Our church in south GF gives money on an as needed basis for lunches, backpacks, supplies, warm clothes etc. This happens on an as needed basis. The school social worker calls the church. This is for two of the newest schools in south GF.

I am not against helping out. But this should NOT be in the Constitution.

 

[guywhofishes]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

fraud prevention

 

[guywhofishes]

fraud prevention

local example

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/lifestyle-analysis-found-moorhead-business-012210083.html

 

[guywhofishes]

MN’s assistance system is based on “voluntary compliance”

Wonder how ND’s is overseen? Same I suspect.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

The people of North Dakota have overwhelmingly supported free school lunch. To all that are not in favor, where do you suggest this money goes instead? If not into education where should it go?

Why not allow people to keep more of the money they have earned to pay for their own children's food.

Programs always start with good intentions and then boom:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...S&cvid=69f6458ea3a0472082513c33c5de64ed&ei=16

Watch: Trump admin finds 500k people getting illegal welfare benefits just in red states, and mind-boggling number of dead people on the dole too​

Watch: Trump Admin Finds 500k People Getting Illegal Welfare Benefits Just in Red States, and Mind-Boggling Number of Dead People on the Dole Too© Anna Moneymaker / Getty Images
Stealing from the taxpayer is unfortunately not a phenomenon limited to blue states.

Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins made an appearance on "The Ingraham Angle" to speak about the issue, revealing that in red states, hundreds of thousands of people are cheating the system.


"Fraud and abuse in the SNAP program, the food stamp program, will end. And please be our partner in this," Rollins told Laura Ingraham.

Democrat-run states were unwilling to cooperate, but the Republican states were willing: "29 states responded. All but two were of course red states, Republican governors, and they said yes, we are in."

"And within that data dump, billions of pieces of data that we're now sharing with the states, we found 500,000 people getting more than one benefit illegally. We found 244,000 dead people," she told the host.


"This is just the red states," she continued. "We have now arrested 895 different people in the last year for illegally using the food stamp system."

"And now, of course, we're talking about what is happening with that money. So, we're making a lot of progress," Rollins continued.

 

[Zogman]

I maybe dumb but how did all these criminal activities get so far along??? And in every aspect of government assistance.

 

[Browneye]

Because the ones in charge of the oversight are obviously in on the theft.

 

[Davy Crockett]

AKA fox watching the hen house.

 

[tdismydog]

Not take it from the tax payer in the first place?

lower property tax?

Maybe?

You assume this will be a new tax? If you already do not trust government programs what makes you think that they wouldn't take the money anyway? The money coming in for free lunches is already in government or would becoming with another tax in some other form, why not force our state to dedicate funds to helping people, even though it may or may not be life or death for most families?

I somehow with my limited skill set, basic education, and terrible personality have always somehow figured out how to feed my 4 kids without needing my neighbor to step in. I knew off the bat, having a kid meant I needed to feed, clothe, and care for them.

This is the thing that needs to be hammered home. Maybe teach this in school.

This is a straw man fallacy. More education = more lifetime earnings. This does not hold true for everyone but data overwhelmingly shows this is the majority. So a less educated society would mean a poorer overall general population, which in a welfare state, would actually work against what you are trying to prevent.

Why not allow people to keep more of the money they have earned to pay for their own children's food.

Programs always start with good intentions and then boom:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...S&cvid=69f6458ea3a0472082513c33c5de64ed&ei=16

Watch: Trump admin finds 500k people getting illegal welfare benefits just in red states, and mind-boggling number of dead people on the dole too​

Watch: Trump Admin Finds 500k People Getting Illegal Welfare Benefits Just in Red States, and Mind-Boggling Number of Dead People on the Dole Too© Anna Moneymaker / Getty Images
Stealing from the taxpayer is unfortunately not a phenomenon limited to blue states.

Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins made an appearance on "The Ingraham Angle" to speak about the issue, revealing that in red states, hundreds of thousands of people are cheating the system.


"Fraud and abuse in the SNAP program, the food stamp program, will end. And please be our partner in this," Rollins told Laura Ingraham.

Democrat-run states were unwilling to cooperate, but the Republican states were willing: "29 states responded. All but two were of course red states, Republican governors, and they said yes, we are in."

"And within that data dump, billions of pieces of data that we're now sharing with the states, we found 500,000 people getting more than one benefit illegally. We found 244,000 dead people," she told the host.


"This is just the red states," she continued. "We have now arrested 895 different people in the last year for illegally using the food stamp system."

"And now, of course, we're talking about what is happening with that money. So, we're making a lot of progress," Rollins continued.

One article from an ultra conservative website does not make me a believer. One thing to remember that many if not most government programs help not hurt, yet the media's hasty generalizations would make you believe otherwise.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I think this is to important for ND to be buried on the political page - WE NEED A LARGE NO VOTE

Why would they have a Constitutional measure placed on a primary election where typically 20% of ND eligible voters vote when a general election typically has around a 60% turnout. Looks to me the legislator doesn't like initiated measures and want to limit was the average citizen can do. I believe their hope is by putting this on a primary election and counting on typical turnout 10.01% of eligible ND voters could change the ND constitution.

www.sos.nd.gov/sites/default/files/documents/elections/2026-primary-measure-guide.pdf

www.sos.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/elections/election-results-pdfs/statistics-turnout.pdf

Old people vote in the primaries and old people are easier to propagandize and manipulate... simple as that.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Am I missing something? The text from the first link says that the measure to be voted on would restrict initiated measures to 1 single topic per measure..... Isn't that a good thing? Do we not all bitch about the us congress spending bills and their "gotta pass it to see whats in it" mentality?

Personally I would think this would be a good measure to pass just to keep confusion to a minimum for voters....

I haven't read the full text of the measure yet, so I'm sure there is something sneaky in there.... Seems to me there was something like this on the docket for the last go around but the measure itself was addressing multiple different topics in a single vote.... seemed a bit hypocritical if I remember right. Im gonna take the time to read the full text of the measure sometime soon.
I can agree that Constitutional measures should absolutely be put to a vote during the general election...

It gives the govt a veto option on a passed measure, after the fact. This is EXACTLY how south dakota invalidated their citizens vote to legalize cannabis in the state, which passed conclusively. Its being sold as being good, by the govt, thats how you know its bad!