New 1/2 ton pickups

[Captain Ahab]

Drive someones ecoboost before you buy anything. Being turbocharged they drive very muck like a diesel, no shifting down and hunting for gears constantly. Pet peeve of mine. Looks like the 6.2 gets good mileage running down the road but they never had the torque to pull really well. Lots of both out there I would drive them before I bought the ecoboost! Merry christmas guys, TW

GM 6.2 makes 420hp & 460FT/LBS of TORQUE

Ford 3.5 Ecoboost makes 365hp & 420FT/LBS of TORQUE

 

[Account Deleted]

At what RPM? 5500 or so?

 

[TWN]

Numbers are numbers but if the 6.2 could pull like the 6.0 GM would have dumped the thirsty 6.0 a long time ago. Save the"pull my fiver and two boats and my house with my 6.2" for someone who hasn't pulled with all of them, the key is how it gets to the ground. Ford 6.2 makes great torque too but who wants to run at 5k rpms to be in their torque range. People have towed with diesels for ever and the reason is they get the torque to the ground with low rpm's, Ecoboost mimics this very well. MPG empty is probably not as good as it should be but it does pretty good for a full sized pickup.

 

[Zaun]

At what RPM? 5500 or so?

Peaks at 4100 RPMS

 

[Captain Ahab]

Looks like she still cracks about 400 ft/lbs around 2500 RPM.




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Ecoboost torque curve is a bit better early, but it is not night and day.

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They appear to be virtually identical torque numbers at 2000 RPM.

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[Yotkilr]

Drive someones ecoboost before you buy anything. Being turbocharged they drive very muck like a diesel, no shifting down and hunting for gears constantly. Pet peeve of mine. Looks like the 6.2 gets good mileage running down the road but they never had the torque to pull really well. Lots of both out there I would drive them before I bought the ecoboost! Merry christmas guys, TW

I have driven many Eco's had different ones at work for a few years. Have nothing bad to say was supersized how well they towed like a diesel like everyone says. She has a 2014 F-350 with the 6.2 right now and i would say the eco pull's better than them 6.2 fords. Only thing i didnt really like on the eco was mileage and i know its part my fault i have a heavy foot and drive like im running from the cops but didnt get good MPG on the interstate but than again i have the cruise set at 84. The only newer 1/2 ton i haven't ever driven is the GM 6.2 thats why i have so much interest in it. I know i can go test drive one and will sometime just dosent give you a real good idea on towing and what not. Random question for the guy's that work a dealers im guessing i couldn't but has anyone ever took a trailer with and requested to tow it for the test drive? And to clear it up im a Chevy guy and she drives a ford so would love to convert her to a reliable pickup lol sorry had to, but im not against getting a ford if its the better option. Just to clear it up again im sure it will rarely tow anything big maybe one a year pull the 4 horse trailer 100 miles, we will still have my Duramax for all the big loads and long hauls. Mostly will be used for traveling empty so we don't have to take the one ton long box diesel everywhere like we do now. Thanks for everyone's input. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and safe travels!

 

[Account Deleted]

Doesn't look like your graphs agree Ahab. And it looks like a night and day difference between the EB and 6.2 on the second graph in favor of the EB. So much so in fact, and this is coming from a fan of the EB, I'm not sure I trust it....

 

[sweeney]

Ghost I think you are getting confused, If your talking about the 2nd graph that shows the eco, 6.2, and 5.0 those are ford motors the SAE (1st)chart of the l89 shows its tq at roughly the same as the eco @2000 rpm right around that 370-385ft/lbs

 

[Account Deleted]

Ah. I see. Ford's 6.2, not Chevy's 6.2. Hard to tell without a label/source.

 

[sweeney]

The thing with the eco is you are literally one tune away from 500ft/lbs and 450hp,

 

[Account Deleted]

The thing with the eco is you are literally one tune away from 500ft/lbs and 450hp,

And a voided warranty. That is very tempting, and I have looked into it, but I think I will pass.

 

[SDMF]

As it applies to HP/TQ/towing capability, when it comes to pickups within the same class (1/2, 3/4, 1-ton) you're essentially using laser shears to split frog hairs. Quite honestly they'll ALL outhaul their legitimate ability to stop that same load! For a "road" pickup I'd be more concerned with having a large enough fuel tank, a cab layout that made sense to me, extremely comfortable seats, and a ride/handling that felt the best to me.

Actually, my 1st concern buying new would be previous dealings with whatever dealership I'd have to deal with for any potential service/warrantee work.

 

[Account Deleted]

The 36 gallon tank is quite nice. Too bad you have to pay extra for it but I wouldn't have bought the truck without it.

 

[johnr]

My stupid F250 diesel has the 26 gallon tank, WTF is the reason for that. I bought the short box as it looks better and fit nicer in the garage. I now have a much bigger garage and am thinking of trading up the shorty for a new Long box F250.

I can get to the lake and back with my boat, and camper in tow there and back with fumes left. Would hate to not make it, and sit along the side of the road like some Dodge owner...haha

 

[Account Deleted]

The standard size on the Ford half tons is 23 gallons. Hard pass.

 

[Sub_Elect]

I run a 2013 Eco. It has been really good to me, of course, it only has 27k on the odometer. It gets used for pulling, hunting and times I need a 4 wheel drive. It has had zero issues. I pull a 28' fifth wheel and an 18' skeeter behind that. I was going to tune it but I have never said or thought "I sure wish I had more power". It gets 15 to 17 in town and 16 to 19+ on the highway and interstate. Gets 8.5 to 11 pulling whatever you put behind it.

I have never really ridden in a ford 6.2 or a Chevy 6.2 pulling so I cant speak of them. I have, however ridden in a 6.0 chevy pulling the exact same camper as mine and a very similar boat behind that and thought to myself, second gear pulling 50ish up hills at 5000 rpm is gonna blow this thing sky high!

Just like another poster said, buy what you like the ride of, when its unloaded. They all will pull better than you expect when the time comes to do so. All fit their drivers differently, get one that is comfortable.



This is mine. The water tank is 55 gallons and is under the bed in the front of the camper. I have a leveling kit on it (because of ground clearance for hunting) in this pic, but added an add a leaf to stop the sagged rear look a couple of trips later. With out the leveling kit in the front it would have never needed the add a leaf.

 

[Buckmaster81]

Yote most dealers won't allow you to pull your trailer on a test drive as it is a liability issue. If you were to bring a trailer and I had a used one on the lot I would allow a test pull if you signed a liability waiver.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Hey FORD Fix Or Repair Daily lovers -- -I just took my eco to the dealership last night. I Put the Tech Serv Bulletin number on the drop off sheet and said have at it. Got a call today and they said i diagnosed it perfectly -- tranny is getting some type of part. I have not had a problem with ford or chevy dealerships --- they generally do what they need to do to get you back on the road. I dont get the feeling that they try to over sell you with maintenance. They just want to do their job.

Toyota and Honda - that dealership -- whole different story; they want your change your oil, wipers, tranny, power steering, radiator, air filter every 3k miles. Wife's honda front end went out at 34k miles. They were going to pull one on her at a tune of 3k+. It was a couple months over on the warranty. I said let me call honda --- the service advisor started sweating and said please dont do that; your not going to get anywhere. Then after talking to his boss said we will call them sir. Needless to say it was covered 100%

 

[SDMF]

Hey FORD Fix Or Repair Daily lovers -- -I just took my eco to the dealership last night. I Put the Tech Serv Bulletin number on the drop off sheet and said have at it. Got a call today and they said i diagnosed it perfectly -- tranny is getting some type of part. I have not had a problem with ford or chevy dealerships --- they generally do what they need to do to get you back on the road. I dont get the feeling that they try to over sell you with maintenance. They just want to do their job.

Toyota and Honda - that dealership -- whole different story; they want your change your oil, wipers, tranny, power steering, radiator, air filter every 3k miles. Wife's honda front end went out at 34k miles. They were going to pull one on her at a tune of 3k+. It was a couple months over on the warranty. I said let me call honda --- the service advisor started sweating and said please dont do that; your not going to get anywhere. Then after talking to his boss said we will call them sir. Needless to say it was covered 100%

Your Ford rattles, your Chevy piston slapped, your HONDA failed @ 34K. Shorthairs, you're a shit-magnet. You're like Pigpen from Charlie Brown, a cloud follows you everywhere. I hope you never buy a Yamaha or Suzuki outboard motor.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Your Ford rattles, your Chevy piston slapped, your HONDA failed @ 34K. Shorthairs, you're a shit-magnet. You're like Pigpen from Charlie Brown, a cloud follows you everywhere. I hope you never buy a Yamaha or Suzuki outboard motor.

I agree. Honda at least made it 34k -- chevy 500 miles and ford 3k or so before they both went in on repairs. Once they hit 60k you dont have any more problems. Ha