No licenses for non landowners

[Farmer]

How about we also calculate in amount of public dollars distributed to farmers in that unit as well! Oh I bet poked a hornets nest on that one!

How about we base the tags on your total tax bill? Income tax, land tax, sales tax, social security tax, fuel tax, federal excise tax, vehicle license tax, house tax, grain check off tax, fishing tax, hunting tax, add them all up exclude corporations and hand the tags out that way. Now we can pretend we are back on FBO.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Haha the 100 yard dash in 23 hours , This topic has some serious potential.







102 and climbing

 

[NDSportsman]

So you go about this by slammin landowners and taking away their gratis tag? Genius plan you got there lunk.

So my sons run about 30 cows a peice. They rent a couple hundred acres of pasture and some hay land that they put in for gratis on. So by doing away with their ability to get a gratis tag by raising it to 640
people think private lands are going ot open up more? Funny way of thinkin there.

Your sons aren't making their sole living on 30 cows and a couple hundred acres. That's what the gratis system was originally intended for and it's turned into a simple way of getting a guaranteed tag to far too many people. It's not about opening up more land, that's simply never going to happen. It's about only the land owners getting the opportunity to hunt and indeed in some units that's where we are sitting right now. Do you think it's right that a kid who rents a quarter and puts 5 cows on it should get a guaranteed tag while a city kid who bags your wifes groceries and stocks shelves has zero chance at a tag?

 

[Pinecone]

;:;badidea:;:deadhorse:;:duel;:;blahblah;:;popcorn

HA HA I got a neg rep for this so, here it is again "at least I typed something this time" #feelersbehurtin

 

[Davy Crockett]

Lets look at this from another angle , How many hunters were issued two tags last year ? How many people were issued none ?

Common sense tells me if we limited tags to one per hunter there would be less people complaining that they didn't get a tag.

One tag, fill it with legal weapon of choice.

 

[arrowdem]

Lets look at this from another angle , How many hunters were issued two tags last year ? How many people were issued none ?

Common sense tells me if we limited hunters to one tag per hunter there would be less people complaining that they didn't get a tag.

One tag, fill it with legal weapon of choice.

i wouldnt be opposed to this as i bow hunt and have only been getting that tag for a few years now, but if they ever ended up taking away my over the counter bow tag... well then i would be angry! i really wish the 2C unit wasnt so huge because when you get down in the area of Minto where i live the population is still down it is definitely climbing but it is down from years past, then you head to the areas of park river edinburg south of milton and there are hundreds of deer out in the fields there is a huge difference in area from one to the next one is great deer habitat, and one is marshy cattail land which can be great deer stuff but in the hills up north thats a game changer, they would have a better shot at managing a better herd if they took units like this into consideration when splitting up unit because the geography is a night in day difference.

 

[gst]

This is the warmest winter i have ever seen. The deer are doing very well. If you think they need your help maybe you need help... Just sayin...

Exactly where did I say the "needed my help" in a winter such as this? If you read, the corn left standing was for my benefit to keep them out of my hay yard as much as it was the deers. (the value of the corn may be less than the value of the ay they would eat and destroy)

So a couple winters ago when there was 3 foot of snow on the flat, how were the deer doing that YOU left standing corn for Enslow? The ones around here did okay, only lost a few dozen out of the few hundred that were in the yard, but did lose a few thousand dollars worth of alfalfa hay. (and no I did not try to get paid for it)

The "point" here is that there are things land owners that are actively engaged in agriculture have to deal with on a daily basis that others do not. In an effort to create harmony with the people who do (simply by ownership of land) have an impact on access, and deal with the impacts of wildlife, the G&F and legs came up with the gratis system.

When there are lots of deer no one whines about these gratis tag (well not too much) now that the G&F claim numbers are down it suddenly is a big deal because someone did not get a tag.

Some of these people don't see the bigger picture only that they did not get a tag.

some on here would like Bernie Sanders running the G&F giving out tags.

 

[dust in the wind]

Lets look at this from another angle , How many hunters were issued two tags last year ? How many people were issued none ?

Common sense tells me if we limited hunters to one tag per hunter there would be less people complaining that they didn't get a tag.

One tag, fill it with legal weapon of choice.

If it were done that way, I don't think there would have been many against it. The proposal they came up this last time around wouldn't allow that. Many of us against their proposal suggested this to them already.

 

[Duckslayer100]

I've been buying two tags for years, one rifle and one archery. And if I don't draw a rifle tag, I just buy the bow tag.

Never not had a shot at a deer with my bow. It's pretty easy. Unless you're a trophy hunter. Then I guess there's a challenge. But if you're a poor schmuck like me who just likes to eat venison, it's pretty much 100 percent success rate.

This thread is making me hungry...

 

[gst]

Your sons aren't making their sole living on 30 cows and a couple hundred acres. That's what the gratis system was originally intended for and it's turned into a simple way of getting a guaranteed tag to far too many people. It's not about opening up more land, that's simply never going to happen. It's about only the land owners getting the opportunity to hunt and indeed in some units that's where we are sitting right now. Do you think it's right that a kid who rents a quarter and puts 5 cows on it should get a guaranteed tag while a city kid who bags your wifes groceries and stocks shelves has zero chance at a tag?

My sons at this point in their life one in college and one in high school certainly are making their sole "living" on the revenues from these cattle. And yes indeed the gratis tag was always for a guaranteed tag for those that deal daily with the impacts this wildlife make. Do you really think the $30 dollars was because a farmer could not afford the deer tag simply because they made their sole living from ag?

A betting man would likely bet that everyone here bitching would be the first ones sending in for their gratis tag if they could. And these same people would be the very first ones to close access to their lands if some one tried to change that tag system too much.

Do you think it is right that ranch kid that borrows monies at the bank to buy cattle and rent pasture he fixes fence on that the deer break every year maybe makes enough to buy a new snowmobile after saving for three years while the kid bagging groceries who spends his monies on X Box games does not?

Some here want Bernie Sanders running the G&F.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I've been buying two tags for years, one rifle and one archery. And if I don't draw a rifle tag, I just buy the bow tag.

Never not had a shot at a deer with my bow. It's pretty easy. Unless you're a trophy hunter. Then I guess there's a challenge. But if you're a poor schmuck like me who just likes to eat venison, it's pretty much 100 percent success rate.

This thread is making me hungry...

Haha, Ok since we are throwing curve balls this morning here's another, how about us poor schmucks that make under a certain amount of income provide proof and get first dibs on the tags , Feeding one's family was the original intent of the harvest. Haha about two more posts and I'll have the whole tribe pist off .

 

[ndlongshot]

Lets look at this from another angle , How many hunters were issued two tags last year ? How many people were issued none ?

Common sense tells me if we limited tags to one per hunter there would be less people complaining that they didn't get a tag.

One tag, fill it with legal weapon of choice.

I lobbied hard against the one tag system last year. Not because i want to shoot more then 1 deer, but because they were taking away my opportunity to pursue deer. They wanted me to pick a weapon, thats BS. Give me my tag, and let me hunt till my little hearts content with any weapon I choose...and when I kill a deer, I'M DONE. People would be more selective, and it wouldnt limit hunters opportunity to go afield. If I have to sit on my bum in Sept. because I chose to rifle hunt...lame. But if I want to hunt in Sept and shoot a bruiser and then I have to hang it up, thats the choice I make.

 

[Account Deleted]

I lobbied hard against the one tag system last year. Not because i want to shoot more then 1 deer, but because they were taking away my opportunity to pursue deer. They wanted me to pick a weapon, thats BS. Give me my tag, and let me hunt till my little hearts content with any weapon I choose...and when I kill a deer, I'M DONE. People would be more selective, and it wouldnt limit hunters opportunity to go afield. If I have to sit on my bum in Sept. because I chose to rifle hunt...lame. But if I want to hunt in Sept and shoot a bruiser and then I have to hang it up, thats the choice I make.

The problem with that scenario is that the all tags would have to go to a draw, including your archery tag.

 

[ndlongshot]

So a couple winters ago when there was 3 foot of snow on the flat, how were the deer doing that YOU left standing corn for Enslow? The ones around here did okay, only lost a few dozen out of the few hundred that were in the yard, but did lose a few thousand dollars worth of alfalfa hay. (and no I did not try to get paid for it)

Man. Thats a heck of a problem over 20-30 years. Few grand every winter. Probably could have built one heck of a deer fence with those funds. I know I dont let recurring problems drain my wallet on an annual basis. You fix them. At one crazy time I believe GNF even cost shared....crazy!

 

[Davy Crockett]

Your lobbying against st the one tag system directly affected another sportsmen that had to sit out because of no tag . Something has to give, I honestly believe sportsmen and NDGF have more to lose than there is to gain by overhauling the gratis system. We are in a slump with numbers so we say screw the farmers take away their tags grates instead of share what is already available ? Farmers don't like their rights taken away either and if you think it's tough to get on private land now in some areas that toughness will multiply and spread like leafy spurge to areas where where you still can find private land to hunt. The easiest solution I see is a one tag system and earplugs.

 

[NDSportsman]

My sons at this point in their life one in college and one in high school certainly are making their sole "living" on the revenues from these cattle. And yes indeed the gratis tag was always for a guaranteed tag for those that deal daily with the impacts this wildlife make. Do you really think the $30 dollars was because a farmer could not afford the deer tag simply because they made their sole living from ag?

A betting man would likely bet that everyone here bitching would be the first ones sending in for their gratis tag if they could. And these same people would be the very first ones to close access to their lands if some one tried to change that tag system too much.

Do you think it is right that ranch kid that borrows monies at the bank to buy cattle and rent pasture he fixes fence on that the deer break every year maybe makes enough to buy a new snowmobile after saving for three years while the kid bagging groceries who spends his monies on X Box games does not?

Some here want Bernie Sanders running the G&F.

Once again the discussion seems to go right over your head. We are talking about the opportunity to hunt. It should have absolutely nothing to do with how you choose to make a living or what you spend your money on as to who should have a chance at a tag. When all of the tags in a given unit are being issued as gratis tags we have an issue. That's my point.

 

[Account Deleted]

so your lobbying against st the one tag system directly affected someone else that had to sit out because of no tag . something has to give, I honestly don't think sportsmen and NDGF have more to lose than to gain by overhauling the gratis system so what gives ? The easiest solution I see is a one tag system and earplugs.

I assume you are talking to me. So, lets work out the scenario. Last year, they issued 45,000ish rifle tags and 25,000ish bow tags right? We know rifle tag holders have a higher success rate. So, if we dump all the tags into one pool, we have 70,000 tags to start hunting September 1st ish, not a big problem. BUT, on November 9th, we now have up to 70,000 rifle hunters. We know that rifle hunters have more impact on the herd than archery hunters. Logistically, I see just too many opportunities for disaster.

 

[KDM]

That "common sense" of yours will get you into trouble some day Ghost!!!!!!!!!! Great Post!!!!!!!

 

[gst]

Man. Thats a heck of a problem over 20-30 years. Few grand every winter. Probably could have built one heck of a deer fence with those funds. I know I dont let recurring problems drain my wallet on an annual basis. You fix them. At one crazy time I believe GNF even cost shared....crazy!

Not every year for sure, only a couple of years that they ruined much hay. (and now that we have net wrap it is not so much of a problem)

Trees, now those are hard to get growing with 400 deer wandering thru browsing. We do replace quite a few trees each year. And the fence, doesn;t really cost much to fix but the insurance company doesn;t like the bill when your cows get out in the neighbors field cause a moose ran thru the fence instead of jumping it.

But since you bring up hay yards, I will ask you the same question I asked the geniuses from the G&F. If you get a puncture wound that pokes a hole in your liver, do you go get the problem fixed or just put a bandaid over the small hole to stop the bleeding on the outside?

Stick with me here ND, so I put up a hay fence like you and the G&F suggest , you do know I have to take the hay out of that fence to feed it to my cattle right? One year we put straw bales all around all our good alfalfa hay so the deer could not get at it in the stacks. That year we had a lot of snow and over 500 deer in the yard. When we took out those bales to feed them to the cattle, the deer would stand there waiting for the tractor to move and then eat while we fed the bales before we could get the straw bales moved back in place.

But here is the interesting part, remember how the genius fellas behind the baiting band were all in an up roar over "nose to nose" contact spreading disease? When we would feed these alfalfa bales and corn silage to the cattle, the deer would comingle and eat right across from the cows out of the same bunks. That year I found 3 sheds right in the feed bunks.

The G&F fellas really didn;t have an answer for that one, I wonder, do you Mr longshot?

 

[Davy Crockett]

I need to think about this but considering the one tag was weapons/seasons specific. and spread out through the Bow, Gun and muzzy seasons and issue color coded tags accordingly . Spread out the seasons so you don't have that 70,000 gun hunters .