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      Ultimately it is the parents responsibility to make sure their kids respect others and themselves, get educated, and are a contributor to society rather than a drain. It might be more difficult nowadays but it still can be done. Excuses are just that.

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      I've never witnessed violence toward teachers personally (I am one), but I'm sure it happens. Coarse language no doubt, but that's probably nothing new especially in middle school and up. I have some friends that teach elementary school and they say you wouldn't believe the vulgarities that come out of kids as young as 1st grade. The article in the OP definitely rings true that staff can basically do nothing when a kid flies off the handle other than follow him around, maybe stepping in between if the kid goes after another kid; personally even then I'd think twice in today's world. Any fear of consequences or discipline is basically absent in kids that continually get in trouble because there's little a school can do any more.

      You definitely hear a lot from the elementary crowd how certain kids have these meltdowns where the rest of the class basically has to vacate the classroom, sometimes multiple times a day - that's total BS that the other kids have to have their education negatively affected constantly. I know some veteran teachers who say this has really escalated in the last several years and was something basically unheard of 15 years ago.

      As far as parenting, most are good enough. There certainly are some that have no control of their kids and make excuses for them. As with most things, it's 5% that cause 95% of the issues. A vast majority of the time, the kids with lots of behavioral troubles in school come from broken homes or at least chaotic homes.

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      I apologize for seeing so many things through a political spectrum, but I see the problem as liberal thinking in parent's and schools. I don't remember the authors, but many books came out on the 1970s about child rearing. About the same time the women's lib started telling women men were bad. Watch a tv add today and women and kids are smart and dad's are stupid. The family unit doesn't function today as it has for thousands of years. A mother and father where dad is the disciplinarian, and the mother is the nurture giver. The 1970s books were all nurture and little if any discipline. Any discipline consisted of telling little Johny not nice Johny, not nice.

      Schools are extremely liberal and they are not satisfied withbtesching math and science anymore. Today they teach kids how they should act, and what is proper and improper morals. The problem is they dontbhave a clue themselves, and often they teach what conflicts with family values.
      As bad as or worse is the churches. Go to a liberal church then a conservative church and observe how wives treat their husbands. A conservative church will fit right in to some of the latest psychology studies. They were as followes: Thousands of men and women were asked if they could choose only one would they choose respect or love. 98% of men chose respect while 96% of women chose love. When I took a law enforcement course on gangese the instructor said half the gange violence is over disrespect.

      It's not just bad parenting, it's society having to much say over child rearing and to little male influence in child rearing.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Wags2.0 View Post
      So far we have condoms being part of the problem, and having kids wear shock collars at school as a solution. This site never fails to amaze me.
      Condoms and Shock-Collars sounds like a name for a new Hip-Pop album.

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      This has been like listening to Nancy Pelosi argue with Ozzy Osborne.

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      Don't forget the "no child left behind" type shit. My wife works in a school, and she'll tell you that every class has at least one "special needs" student constantly disrupting the class. Back in my day, they would be in their own special room for the good of the class.
      However, most of them are not really "special" at all, they're just assholes with shitty parents that walk all over gutless teachers. I'm suprised my kids learn anything. Private school looks better all the time.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SupressYourself View Post
      Don't forget the "no child left behind" type shit. My wife works in a school, and she'll tell you that every class has at least one "special needs" student constantly disrupting the class. Back in my day, they would be in their own special room for the good of the class.
      However, most of them are not really "special" at all, they're just assholes with shitty parents that walk all over gutless teachers. I'm suprised my kids learn anything. Private school looks better all the time.
      No doubt. My kid was bullied by a "special needs" kid that was two grades older than him. My kid finally had enough and fought back...guess who got suspended? The Principal apologized to me numerous times, but there was no exceptions...except for the "special needs" kid.

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      I think 'Dazed and Confused'-style paddles should be standard issue to teachers.

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      630 is the number of REPORTED incidents....actual incident reports filled out. The number is much, much higher. My wife is a para and spends more of her time on behaviors from kids without mental disability than those with. She reports everything, but many don't.

      I don't remember this when I was a kid in school. Some of the stories I've heard are absolutely unbelievable.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SupressYourself View Post
      I think 'Dazed and Confused'-style paddles should be standard issue to teachers.

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      When I was in elementary school in Indianapolis there was one of these paddles hanging up in our classroom. I was only there for a year or so before we moved and can only recall it getting used once. One of the kids in my class threw their desk at our teacher so she sent us all out of the classroom except for the kid that threw it. We could hear the paddle being used and the kid crying from out in the hall. He didn't it again while I was there.

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      As I mentioned, Ive been teaching for quite awhile now and I hate to admit this but..if a little "physical" punishment was allowed in schools we would have very few issues. I don't mean beating snot out of a kid but, if you could spank or grab by arm and pull out of chair, maybe even give little whack to back of head (actually I'm not certain what type but...) discipline issues would be suppressed by a large percentage. No one wants to say this but it is true. Kids have lost fear of consequences because there is very few in many schools. Some of you said leave religion out of it. I disagree. Fear of God is important. People aren't thinking or aware of what the long term punishment may be for heinous acts. I am personally very aware that I may burn in hell for eternity for poor behaviors. Many are not. In one reading I learned that a huge part of our country is now atheist. Just my opinion but I feel if kids learned God's powers early it may help curtail behaviors. Maybe Im wrong? I am not bible thumper etc. I just know that the ww2 generation were god fearing, hard working, responsible people that we may never see again. And, things I just mentioned were very prevalent in their upbringings.

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      we had a science teacher that if you got out of line it was a knuckle to the top of the head he was so old he did the same thing to my dad. No one got out of hand in mr petersons class. I was forced to go to church and sunday school now i dont go. I never thought about burning in hell but thought about my ass burning from dads belt. The pastor is now in jail for child porn and most the kids who went to "church school" are in prison or dead and caused the most problems when they got to high school so i think parents are the where it all starts and ends.

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      oh I agree. Poor parenting and shady home environments are the root. I just think consequences need to be implemented and believed in all avenues.

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      most the kids who went to "church school" are in prison or dead and caused the most problems when they got to high school
      Isn't that odd? The kids that go to our church school turn out to be the best people in the community.

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      i dont know but in college you could pick those kids out they generally partied every night just not thursday friday and saturday and made it a semester or two till ma and pa pulled the plug

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      Just my 2 cents...I teach with a guy who was a principal in Oklahoma. In Oklahoma they are/were allowed to spank students using a "Dazed and Confused" board. If a student got in trouble in class they were sent to him. He said he only spanked 1 kid twice. My wife and a friend of hers went to Arkansas to run a half marathon. It was hosted by a school and they got there early. Both being teachers they were looking around a checking things out. The principal came up and started talking to them. They asked him if he had a lot of discipline problems and he said no because they were allowed to use a paddle. His school had a policy that if a student got in trouble the parents were called and the parents had the option to either have their kid sent home, or be spanked. He said only one time did a parent opt for their child to be sent home, and again very few repeat offenders (I forget the exact number).
      Kids know that teachers are not allowed to touch them so they are getting bolder all the time and it is getting younger and younger. I think just even having the threat of being paddled would straighten a lot kids out. Long gone are the days when kids were more scared of what mom or dad would do to them at home if they found out the kid mis-behaved at school. We had four high school students who ganged up and were harassing one other student (not physical), but definitely inappropriate. Two of the parents were in the administrators offices defending their kids and saying the the other kid need to quit being such a "pussy"...Four kids gang up against one and he is the pussy...SMH...

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