Your not really saying a high fence has anything to do with conservation are you?
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I have heard that argument many times, but it makes no sense. Think about it. At one time nearly everything was legal. The old west had opium houses. Shoukd we have taken that away from people who were doing it legally? If you remember the original Coca-Cola had a lot more kick. Shoukd we have taken that away? We have passed laws to control morality for those who coukd not control it on their own. Planned Parenthood takes millions of lives, but they make a legal living doing it. That justification would lead us back to the dark ages.People making a living legally
I have heard that argument many times, but it makes no sense. Think about it. At one time nearly everything was legal. The old west had opium houses. Shoukd we have taken that away from people who were doing it legally? If you remember the original Coca-Cola had a lot more kick. Shoukd we have taken that away? We have passed laws to control morality for those who coukd not control it on their own. Planned Parenthood takes millions of lives, but they make a legal living doing it. That justification would lead us back to the dark ages.
So you are making high fence hunting a morality issue? FFS...
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BTW, high fence hunting isn't for me, but I will defend someones right to do it. I believe in personal property rights.
So do you think dog or cock fighting should be legal too?So you are making high fence hunting a morality issue? FFS...
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BTW, high fence hunting isn't for me, but I will defend someones right to do it. I believe in personal property rights.
I believe HF hunts are definitely a "morality issue" not so much the shooting of live stock, but said ownership of wildlife. I know these animals were born and raised as stock but at some point in history they were taken from the wild.
I link HF to the morality of prostitution. How can the government stop someone from conducting a private sale on private property with consenting adults. Oh and if no money exchanges it's perfectly legal. It's ALL about morality IMO
So do you think dog or cock fighting should be legal too?
You said it was all about personal property rights. Well dogs and chickens are personal property.Are you seriously comparing shooting a raised animal in a HF to dog fighting? How do you feel about eating beef or pork?
You said it was all about personal property rights. Well dogs and chickens are personal property.
I love eating beef and pork.......and deer and elk for that matter. Not sure what that has to do with the high fence hunting debate though.
Rowdie;330172[B said:]I think he's bringing up that government CAN make laws based on morality by citing examples. [/B] Just like government CAN and should fix mistakes it made in the past. Or in this case, ownership of deer and elk, could correct and adjust laws or policies of owning them. A century has passed, land has been settled, and the situation of deer/elk heard is drastically different.
Never understood the reason a deer, fish, or whatever game gets killed/caught, and the guy doing the killing/catching feels like some sort of champion, as if they had anything to do with the size of the rack/fish.
Its fun as hell to get a trophy or two here and there, but whoopty fucking doo.
And then to cheat at it and claim hero status...haha
I completely agree. The anti hunting crowd loves to portray all hunters as those who shoot Bambi fenced in and eating out of the owners hand while we stick the gun barrel in Bambis ear. While disease is of great concern the public image endangers an American heritage.And what about public perception concerning hunting? Will future generations tolerate your blood sport? High fence low fence or no fence, we need to be careful about banning things.
Actually you don't, because pushing for a ban means enacting a law and this is the process you say you believe in. Property rights are not absolute. You can not grow and process popies. You cant have a brothel on your land in North Dakota. I use the absurd as examples because believing in total property rights has been absurd forever.Lol, ok. Raising deer and elk is legal. Dog and cock fighting isn't. So yes, I believe in allowing personal property rights within the laws set forth by the people. I may not agree with them but i believe in the process in which they are made.
I completely agree. The anti hunting crowd loves to portray all hunters as those who shoot Bambi fenced in and eating out of the owners hand while we stick the gun barrel in Bambis ear. While disease is of great concern the public image endangers an American heritage.
Actually you don't, because pushing for a ban means enacting a law and this is the process you say you believe in. Property rights are not absolute. You can not grow and process popies. You cant have a brothel on your land in North Dakota. I use the absurd as examples because believing in total property rights has been absurd forever.