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[Lycanthrope]

have to round em all up and send em back before Trump builds the big wall. :;:stirthepot

Or build a trebuchet, fling them home...

 

[Up Y'oars]

You'd be amazed at how MANY illegal citizens are here in North Dakota. I could give you a handful of stories I have witnessed, and I'm not talking about dozens, or hundreds. Try THOUSANDS with North Dakota!

Most work for cash. Many are in agriculture and in the Red River Valley are provided housing by the potato and beet farmers. Yes, housing PROVIDED. This is not new....

Go to a Walmart on a Friday evening and see how many people are in line at the Customer Service Desk wiring money home. There are times, in Bismarck, where 10-15 of them are in line at the North Walmart. The money doesn't stay around here.

 

[remm]

Just set up a reward system. If anyone knows of a business that has illegals working and turns them in and its found out to be true, give that person a large sum of money. Fine the business enough money to put them out of business. The illegal alien problem would be fixed pretty quick if they ran out of jobs. The businesses hiring them are just as much at fault and it's bullshit, they are saving tons of cash on payroll taxes, just as the illegals aren't paying taxes either.

I'd rather my tax money go toward rewards for getting rid of the illegal aliens and companies than paying for their illegal kids to go to school and get on welfare.


Who is going to work these jobs that illegals have been doing at such cheap labor you ask? Make all the people on any type of government assistance with no job do them. Hell, you can even lower the minimum wage, just modify the welfare system to give people help- medical, food, housing, child care- etc based on hours worked rather than income. No work=no assistance. Hell, even if they only make a couple bucks an hour, put in a 50-60 hour week and have your rent, daycare,medical, food paid for. You don't NEED more than a few bucks then. You may want more, well, then work your ass off and move up/get a better job.

Man, the shit a guy could fix just sitting in the garage with a few cold ones is unreal.

 

[johnr]

I am with remm:;:thumbsup

excellent ideas right there

 

[eyexer]

You'd be amazed at how MANY illegal citizens are here in North Dakota. I could give you a handful of stories I have witnessed, and I'm not talking about dozens, or hundreds. Try THOUSANDS with North Dakota!

Most work for cash. Many are in agriculture and in the Red River Valley are provided housing by the potato and beet farmers. Yes, housing PROVIDED. This is not new....

Go to a Walmart on a Friday evening and see how many people are in line at the Customer Service Desk wiring money home. There are times, in Bismarck, where 10-15 of them are in line at the North Walmart. The money doesn't stay around here.

same thing goes on here in Williston. Major lines to wire money home at Albertsons, Walmart, etc.

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Just set up a reward system. If anyone knows of a business that has illegals working and turns them in and its found out to be true, give that person a large sum of money. Fine the business enough money to put them out of business. The illegal alien problem would be fixed pretty quick if they ran out of jobs. The businesses hiring them are just as much at fault and it's bullshit, they are saving tons of cash on payroll taxes, just as the illegals aren't paying taxes either.

I'd rather my tax money go toward rewards for getting rid of the illegal aliens and companies than paying for their illegal kids to go to school and get on welfare.


Who is going to work these jobs that illegals have been doing at such cheap labor you ask? Make all the people on any type of government assistance with no job do them. Hell, you can even lower the minimum wage, just modify the welfare system to give people help- medical, food, housing, child care- etc based on hours worked rather than income. No work=no assistance. Hell, even if they only make a couple bucks an hour, put in a 50-60 hour week and have your rent, daycare,medical, food paid for. You don't NEED more than a few bucks then. You may want more, well, then work your ass off and move up/get a better job.

Man, the shit a guy could fix just sitting in the garage with a few cold ones is unreal.

I am 100% for forcing these business's to hire only legal workers. However, there is a real problem deciphering who is legal and not. when the border patrol can't decipher for 48 hours there is no way in hell a business owner could do it period given they don't have the resources the border patrol does. The I9 form is currently what is used. To satisfy the I9 all you need is a drivers license and a social security card. Well most of them have that. Although they are bogus, stolen or whatever. But the business owner has no way of knowing which ones are real. There are some business's that pay them cash and don't run them through the Tax structure. Those need to be brought to their knees. But it's not as easy as one would think. Nor as easy as it should be. With today's technology it would be easy to provide for the assurance your hiring illegals. Bottom line is, the government doesn't care nor want you to not hire illegals. So until we put people in office that do give a shit it's a mute point.

 

[TFX 186]

I like Remm's ideas too! :;:rockitScore!

Fish On !

 

[Davey Crockett]

I like Remm's ideas too! :;:rockitScore!

Fish On !

You would have to keep a low profile or there is a good chance you could end up dead. Some are very good people but the other end of that spectrum is very ugly. There was a tribe of them that started drilling geothermal wells one time that I wanted to turn in but I valued my life more than I wanted to get in the middle of it. The leader was educated and could come up with the bonding and bid the work, they worked for him for next to nothing. The guy that owned the rig had served time for murder and he was on something , I saw things that I could hardly believe happened.

 

[Norske]

I doubt that verifying legality is as hard as we're told by employers. If the guy is illegal, he doesn't exist in the government system, therefore no taxes or Social Security withholding costs to the employer. Am I the only one who thinks the Chamber of Commerce lobby likes illegal workers?

 

[eyexer]

I doubt that verifying legality is as hard as we're told by employers. If the guy is illegal, he doesn't exist in the government system, therefore no taxes or Social Security withholding costs to the employer. Am I the only one who thinks the Chamber of Commerce lobby likes illegal workers?

I was an employer for many years. And hired and did the hiring paperwork for companies. You have no idea the process obviously. They're required to show you a Valid government issued ID and a social security card. Which are readily available via their undergound that produces these for them. Identity theft is much harder and it happens by the thousands daily. If the government can provide ten minute background checks for gun purchases then they can surely provide a ten minute online verification process for hiring. But they don't want to do that because they want these illegals here. But they also want to blame the business's for hiring them. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Brian Renville]

Yep, it's kinda hard to talk the government out of the free money they get from the tax paying illegals. Or biggest problem though is we really like to bitch about illegals because they aren't going to be sitting at our thanksgiving table. Meaning we generally don't need to look them in the eye so it's easy to take a tough stance against them, kinda like it's easy to be an internet tough guy. Point being our economy runs on activity. Illegals pay rent to landlords, buy groceries from the local store, buy clothes, fuel, tackle, bait, beer,.....generally most of the things us working stiffs do also. Usually with cash which we also know is the most active form of currency we have because it does the best job of keeping middle men out. Now lets look at the ones who generally don't participate in the active economy. Welfare deadbeats. Until we straighten that crap out all we are doing is punching ourselves in the balls. One can't happen without the other. We get all butthurt over some guy who might get paid under the table when we are approaching, and by some stats have eclipsed, 1/3 of our population that doesn't even plan on participating in any sort of workforce. Even worse all the things that make money change hands they get free from the taxpayer anyway. It's a drag that we might never free ourselves from. At the end of the day we are asking the government to stop doing things that make it powerful, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Anyway back on topic what I would do if I had an opinion that mattered is give them 6 months. Post signs all over, rent billboards, commercials, etc saying if you are an illegal you need to check in and the government will give you a ID card as long as you can prove you have verifiable legit taxpaying employment. The same applies for the workers household, members also needing verification. After they do so they have another 6 months to complete the citizenship process. After that 6 months is up if they get caught without the proper credentials they go out on their ass. Like was said before if gun sellers can call a number and get a response in a couple minutes most things can be easily set up to verify legit credentials, we can ask them to verify for any government services, schools, welfare, bus, subway, amtrak, voting, property ownership, utilities...etc. Basically things almost all of us will need at some point Pressure must also be put on employers. If you hire someone you better get it checked out. If you have people living in/on your property you must get their IDs. We will also need a working enforcement system for these things, much easier said than done. The way I figure is there should be about 50,000 IRS agents that need something to do for a few years once they get laid off after we go to a sane flat tax code. Not perfect but we are actively cheering on our government to manage our entire economy, keep it up and we will all live in the same concrete apartment building. I can dream can't I. :;:smokin