ATF Backdoor Gun Registry

[PrairieGhost]

David Kotesh was delusional, but that crowd on the outside of his compound wasn't exactly mentally stable either. At least they were not taking orders from a mentally stable leader. He had a 50 cal oh my. Government agencies are always stratagising for funding and power. ATF overstepping it's intended function could turn them into a government funded terrorist organization. Red flag laws are prime for misuse, and the illegal record keeping goes hand and glove with red flag mischief.

 

[SDMF]

David Kotesh was delusional, but that crowd on the outside of his compound wasn't exactly mentally stable either.

Marginalizing and propaganda is how the media calms the general public toward the erosion of rights. The public becomes OK with “By Whatever Means Necessary” and the erosion is even demanded by the public once the story stops being questioned.

Dissenters are denied any air-time. “Documentaries” are done further perpetuating the narrative. 25yrs down the line, it’s “Truth” and people swallow it without question.

 

[Jiffy]

^^^this^^^

 

[Traxion]

I am far from a conspiratorial kind of person, but I wonder if Aussies and our neighbors to the north might have thought similarly just 20 years ago?

I don't think they have the same constitutional rights we have solidly enshrined. With rights come responsibilities though, and t g ere are redtrictions on macine gubs and mental health as proven restrictions on those rights. I know it gets muddy with red flag laws but I'm more afraid of the wrong people writing them than I am of them banning firearms as a whole.

 

[Traxion]

Um... the "red flag laws" are the erosion.
If you don't think they have and will be used against law abiding citizens for any number of arbitrary reasons, then you're blind to the evil that lives in the hearts of most humans. Ignorance is bliss... until it costs you your freedoms.

If the wrong side writes them yes. I think the firearms groups are tye ignorant ones thinking swecan just maintain the status quo and we'll be fine. I would like to see some proactive steps or were going to have the wrong party in power, a terrible event, and we're going to lose a bunch in one fell swoop as a reaction. All because we wouldn't give an inch anytime before. Will those proactive steps prevent bad things from happening? Like only a small percentage, but perception is more important. Only 35% of Americans have guns and I'm afraid that majority when empowered will easily overcome us if we just sit on our hands.

 

[Obi-Wan]

If the wrong side writes them yes. I think the firearms groups are tye ignorant ones thinking swecan just maintain the status quo and we'll be fine. I would like to see some proactive steps or were going to have the wrong party in power, a terrible event, and we're going to lose a bunch in one fell swoop as a reaction. All because we wouldn't give an inch anytime before. Will those proactive steps prevent bad things from happening? Like only a small percentage, but perception is more important. Only 35% of Americans have guns and I'm afraid that majority when empowered will easily overcome us if we just sit on our hands.

incrementalism - giving up rights an inch at a time

 

[KDM]

The back door gun registration has nothing to do with red flag laws. It’s about the federal government illegally compiling a gun registry list. questions needs to be asked why are they so hell bent on the registry list that they would do it secretly and illegally and what do they intend to use the list for?

Do you really expect a truthful answer? WMD's in Iraq, Clot shot is totally safe, The economy is strong, The affordable care act will let you keep your health care plan, Red flag laws won't be used to take guns, No federal gun registry, The FBI won't be weaponized, The IRS is you friend, Gun bans work, blah, blah, blah. See a trend here?