Bending over

[Sum1]

As long as they keep us fat and sassy we won’t do a damn thing. Nobody will. There will be some big talkers but they won’t do anything either. Yes each and everyone of us will bend over to keep our comforts. Hell some will even spread their cheeks. Like those people you see wearing masks.

 

[Migrator Man]

No that’s not what I’m talking about. They have had this addition to their refinery going for a few years. It’s sole purpose was to refine the tar sands oil. They get it very cheap. Tar sands oil makes up only a fraction of the oil from Canada

Wrong again, oil sands production makes up the greatest proportion from Canada. Almost half of the refineries in the US process it (all refineries with a coker unit) because most of these big refineries are set up to process heavy crude that’s why there is not the same demand for increasing light oil production. The Koch refinery is nothing special when it comes to oil sands, they are just one of many benefiting from cheap Canadian oil.

 

[eyexer]

So how are are these other refineries getting this oil? What percentage of Canada’s oil production is coming from the tar sands ?

 

[Migrator Man]

So how are are these other refineries getting this oil? What percentage of Canada’s oil production is coming from the tar sands ?

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-dat...a-analysis/energy-facts/crude-oil-facts/20064

https://www.capp.ca/oil/what-are-the-oil-sands/

The other refineries get this oil via pipeline just like how Koch gets their oil. All the proposed pipelines out of Canada will be for increased oil sands production ex. Transmountain, keystone XL, Enbridge line 3

 

[eyexer]

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-dat...a-analysis/energy-facts/crude-oil-facts/20064

https://www.capp.ca/oil/what-are-the-oil-sands/

The other refineries get this oil via pipeline just like how Koch gets their oil. All the proposed pipelines out of Canada will be for increased oil sands production ex. Transmountain, keystone XL, Enbridge line 3

reading through that it really doesn’t say how much of the tar sands oil comes down here. I might have missed it but I didn’t see it. So your telling me there is a pipeline running all the way to the Gulf to bring the sands oil down there?

 

[Migrator Man]

reading through that it really doesn’t say how much of the tar sands oil comes down here. I might have missed it but I didn’t see it. So your telling me there is a pipeline running all the way to the Gulf to bring the sands oil down there?

Most of the heavy oil is processed in the Midwest. About 5% is processed in the gulf coast as of this 2013 article. This has increased more with new pipelines that run to the gulf coast. 200k of the total 1.6 million bbl is refined by Koch in MN

http://priceofoil.org/2013/12/13/re...ne-tool-tracks-tar-sands-flows-north-america/

 

[eyexer]

What I’m most curious about is how much of that oil is actually coming to the states. If they’re already getting oil go the gulf why the need for keystone XL.

 

[Davey Crockett]

What I’m most curious about is how much of that oil is actually coming to the states. If they’re already getting oil go the gulf why the need for keystone XL.

MOOR MOOR. Keystone XL has always been about flooding the world market with more Canadian oil.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

It takes a lot of money and many investors coming together to build a project like Coal Creek Station. In the early years the equipment at the coal mine had plaques mounted in the cabs of haul trucks, draglines etc. that said property of.....a bank in Ohio or New York etc.

There can be furious competition in markets when the new product mined displaces or shoves over existing companies that were already operating in that area.

Bitumen or tars sands from Canada suddenly showing up in Houston through the Keystone XL Pipeline isn't going to be welcomed by all. To what lengths will competitors go to kill the Keystone XL?

http://www.ecofascism.com/article23.html

 

[Migrator Man]

MOOR MOOR. Keystone XL has always been about flooding the world market with more Canadian oil.

It’s better than Saudi oil or anything else from the Middle East. Energy independence is much easier to achieve with Canada.

 

[eyexer]

It’s better than Saudi oil or anything else from the Middle East. Energy independence is much easier to achieve with Canada.

very true. Fuck the saudis

 

[Migrator Man]

What I’m most curious about is how much of that oil is actually coming to the states. If they’re already getting oil go the gulf why the need for keystone XL.

The Midwest refineries are about tapped out on heavy crude. The goal now is to reach new untapped markets with Canadian heavy crude ( both coasts and the gulf). This will displace foreign crudes so I am ok with that. The reason they want more to the gulf is so they can increase their production as the operators up there have had to cut production because there is limited pipeline space. This is part of why this crude is discounted just like Bakken is. Keystone XL fixes this issue.

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It takes a lot of money and many investors coming together to build a project like Coal Creek Station. In the early years the equipment at the coal mine had plaques mounted in the cabs of haul trucks, draglines etc. that said property of.....a bank in Ohio or New York etc.

There can be furious competition in markets when the new product mined displaces or shoves over existing companies that were already operating in that area.

Bitumen or tars sands from Canada suddenly showing up in Houston through the Keystone XL Pipeline isn't going to be welcomed by all. To what lengths will competitors go to kill the Keystone XL?

http://www.ecofascism.com/article23.html

Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and all other OPEC members would LOVE it if Keystone XL wasn’t built.

I’m also still wondering how this country’s appetite for asphalt is going to be fulfilled without heavy oil refining? Light oil doesn’t produce enough asphalt to fulfill our needs. Are we going to just use concrete? This country cannot be competitive if our energy is much more expensive. If oil is ever replaced there are going to be many common feedstocks that will need to find new expensive sources. We can’t make everything out of damn hemp!

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and all other OPEC members would LOVE it if Keystone XL wasn’t built.

Precisely, they fund enviro orgs to block Canadian oil. The Rainforest Coalition blocked the tars sands oil from going west to port anywhere in British Columbia. A hellava lot closer than Houston Texas and a huge market in the Orient.

There is a wealth of info in that web-link:

http://www.ecofascism.com/article23.html

Venezuela also has bitumen pools.

John D. Rockefeller is an interesting story. He had the market, the Saudi's had the oil. Together they made money. What happens in these other countries is, they want total ownership after awhile. Libya threw out the Hunt Brothers, Venezuela threw out Sunoco but the Saudi's were smarter. They bought the Rockefeller heirs out.

After all that money the Rockefellers made in oil, they have now invested it in renewables. Of course that family dripping in old oil money are now the new greens. They give generously to green enviros. Who benefits?

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I shouldn't say Libya threw out the Hunt Brothers and Venezuela threw out Sunoco. These countries Nationalized and took over the wells.

Remember the Hunt Brothers when they tried to corner the silver market. They just had too much money.

Chevron was also doing business in Venezuela. Chevron was a creation when the government trust busters split Standard Oil. Chevron was John. D. Rockefellers southern California unit.

Venezuela wanted to make more from their oil. Have you seen gas stations called Citgo?

They are owned by Venezuela. They thought they were strong enough to Nationalize and keep the profits rolling in. However, socialism has a curse with keeping things modern and their stations, wells, infrastructure fell into disrepair.

Now Venezuela is being sued by businessmen from other countries for Nationalizing and they are winning chunks that are being carved out of those Citgo Stations located here in the USA.

Without the profits from the Citgo Stations Venezuela is doomed.

 

[eyexer]

The Midwest refineries are about tapped out on heavy crude. The goal now is to reach new untapped markets with Canadian heavy crude ( both coasts and the gulf). This will displace foreign crudes so I am ok with that. The reason they want more to the gulf is so they can increase their production as the operators up there have had to cut production because there is limited pipeline space. This is part of why this crude is discounted just like Bakken is. Keystone XL fixes this issue.

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Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and all other OPEC members would LOVE it if Keystone XL wasn’t built.

I’m also still wondering how this country’s appetite for asphalt is going to be fulfilled without heavy oil refining? Light oil doesn’t produce enough asphalt to fulfill our needs. Are we going to just use concrete? This country cannot be competitive if our energy is much more expensive. If oil is ever replaced there are going to be many common feedstocks that will need to find new expensive sources. We can’t make everything out of damn hemp!

now your making it sound like there isn’t a pipeline for tar sand oil to the gulf refineries

 

[Davey Crockett]

The Midwest refineries are about tapped out on heavy crude. The goal now is to reach new untapped markets with Canadian heavy crude ( both coasts and the gulf). This will displace foreign crudes so I am ok with that. The reason they want more to the gulf is so they can increase their production as the operators up there have had to cut production because there is limited pipeline space. This is part of why this crude is discounted just like Bakken is. Keystone XL fixes this issue.

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Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and all other OPEC members would LOVE it if Keystone XL wasn’t built.

You can scratch Saudi Arabia off your list . Saudi Arabia owns the refinery that the Keystone XL is being built for.

Port Arthur, TX is home to the U.S. refining fleet's crown jewel. With an atmospheric distillation capacity of 603 MBbl/cd, this complex coking refinery is the largest refinery in the U.S. As of May 1st, this marvel of a complex refinery is now 100 percent owned by Saudi Aramco.


Saudi Arabia has a Government owned oil company named Saudi Aramco .

 

[Migrator Man]

now your making it sound like there isn’t a pipeline for tar sand oil to the gulf refineries

Seaway and the original keystone pipelines ship heavy oil to the gulf, I’m sure there are others. That pipeline DAPL reversed might pick up heavy oil in Patoka.

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You can scratch Saudi Arabia off your list . Saudi Arabia owns the refinery that the Keystone XL is being built for.

Port Arthur, TX is home to the U.S. refining fleet's crown jewel. With an atmospheric distillation capacity of 603 MBbl/cd, this complex coking refinery is the largest refinery in the U.S. As of May 1st, this marvel of a complex refinery is now 100 percent owned by Saudi Aramco.


Saudi Arabia has a Government owned oil company named Saudi Aramco .

http://priceofoil.org/2012/02/08/keystone-xl-benefits-from-taxpayer-subsidies/

Sounds like the other two refineries in Port Arthur are the only ones who are contract shippers on Keystone XL. Saudi Aramco is not contracted and may take some Canadian oil, but they are more likely to process heavy crude that they produce in Saudi Arabia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2014/11/14/saudi-arabia-versus-the-keystone-pipeline/amp/

Saudi Arabia is in direct competition with the Canadian producers. Saudi has been losing market share to the Canadians and they are not going to let that happen without a fight. If Keystone XL isn’t built these port Arthur refineries will have no choice but to buy their crude from Saudi Arabia or Venezuela. The US doesn’t produce much of this kind of oil at all.

 

[2400]

I hate wind towers they are useless ugly and almost as much bullshit as ethanol

I agree with you.

About 10 years ago with one of Obama's "shovel ready projects" we got 63 unwanted wind generators. The project was supposed to be funded with an 880 million grant but when it was done everyone's electric bill went up $10 a month. Not one bit of the power we pay for stays in the local area or even AZ, it all goes to Vegas and LA.

 

[Kentucky Windage]

nope

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why do you ask?

Top earner club member here folks. Haha.