Dam Bureaucrats!

[PrairieGhost]

Sure are a lot of experts full of bs. If your not finished with college you start at GS3. In 1971 I started at $6300 and no benefits. A four year degree will get you a GS5, a masters a GS7, and a doctorate will start you at a GS11. A bachelor's degree and 35 to 40 years will get you a GS11. You had to be published and respected in the world scientific community to make GS15 which was considered executive service.

The benefits they talk about giving actually come out of that salary so uncle Sam can tax them. Most federal employees don't realize they have made a mistake working for uncle Sam until they are to far in to start a second career.

I enjoyed the work, but not the growing like a monster regulations that went with it. I told a colleague when my time was up I would leave so fast it would suck the papers off his desk.

I'm not defending anything it's just reality. I agree the gov is bloated, but it's more the politicians fault and the Washington bureaucrats not the grunts in the field.

GS Grade	Step 1 (Base)	Step 10 (Base)
GS-1	$24,594	$31,638
GS-2	$25,142	$31,638
GS-3	$27,434	$35,660
GS-4	$30,795	$40,038
GS-5	$34,454	$44,786
GS-6	$38,407	$49,927
GS-7	$42,679	$55,486
GS-8	$47,265	$61,449
GS-9	$52,205	$67,865
GS-10	$57,489	$74,733
GS-11	$63,163	$82,108
GS-12	$75,706	$98,422
GS-13	$90,025	$117,034
GS-14	$106,382	$138,296
GS-15	$125,133	$162,672

 

[NDSportsman]

I don't know the exact number of people needed to make sure a dam is monitored correctly and efficiently but I'm willing to bet most government agencies are way overstaffed. It's way past time to cut the fat and those cuts should be made across the board. If that means some dam workers lose their jobs so be it. Get off the government tit and into the private sector.

Less government jobs = less tax dollars spent

More private sector workers = more tax generated

A government worker is not really paying taxes they are paying back all other taxpayers money that they got from them. We need to get back to smaller more efficient government.

 

[PrairieGhost]

A government worker is not really paying taxes they are paying back all other taxpayers money that they got from them. We need to get back to smaller more efficient government.

I hope your job doesn't require mental competence. I get your point , but it's all perspective. As a salaried employee with no write offs to them it sure feels like taxes on April 15th.
I remember a highschool classmate who was makeing four times as much as I was asking me how did you get that BIG GOV JOB. Funny I have never heard of a SMALL GOV JOB, but at $6300 a year and my sons leg braces costing $400 every three months I didn't feel rich.

 

[bravo]

The money in salaries is minuscule. If you want serious change and taxpayer savings it’s in the pork barrel contacts and projects that our congressmen pen out. Oh, the space force needs the Corps to build a $500 million dollar drone complex complete with hockey rink, pool, and luxury lofts. But as long as a mechanic at the dam is fired it’ll make me feel better.

 

[bravo]

Each dam has a level meter that indicates what the level of water is, I didn't even need to look that up because common sense would tell me that if a level meter isn't used someone should be fired. Also between the noaa and the army corp that would have an edumicated guess to tell you what to expect for any wet season. Don't piss on my leg and tell me the dam is going to burst, oh can someone tell me the last time a dam burst because some army corp engineer didn't predict a significant increase in rainfall. As far as maintenance is concerned it would be way cheaper to sub it out to private contractors if maintenance needs to be done. I am presuming that is probably the case already, because everyone knows the feds hate to get their hands dirty. I voted for this

Never, ever, ever the case.

This may be the front runner for dumbest post of the year.

 

[NDSportsman]

I hope your job doesn't require mental competence. I get your point , but it's all perspective. As a salaried employee with no write offs to them it sure feels like taxes on April 15th.
I remember a highschool classmate who was makeing four times as much as I was asking me how did you get that BIG GOV JOB. Funny I have never heard of a SMALL GOV JOB, but at $6300 a year and my sons leg braces costing $400 every three months I didn't feel rich.

My mental competence is just fine and my point stands. Government workers are spending every other tax payers money.

 

[lunkerslayer]

Never, ever, ever the case.

This may be the front runner for dumbest post of the year.

Only a fed wold think that, you are overpaid that's a fact, since you needed to insult me I'm going to say I surely hope you are first on the chopping block. American need workers who see the system is broken and support the changes America needs.

 

[bravo]

Not a fed. Well, one weekend a month I guess I am.

Sorry for hurting your feelings though. Somewhere along the line a fed hurt you, that’s clear.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Less government jobs = less tax dollars spent

More private sector workers = more tax generated

A government worker is not really paying taxes they are paying back all other taxpayers money that they got from them. We need to get back to smaller more efficient government.

Dollar recyclers.

 

[bravo]

Coming from a tax money sponge like you?!

 

[lunkerslayer]

Not a fed. Well, one weekend a month I guess I am.

Sorry for hurting your feelings though. Somewhere along the line a fed hurt you, that’s clear.

Thats what happens when you assume, this jas nothing to do with some fed hurting my feelers and has everything do with American taxpayers getting mediocre work from overpayed workers.

 

[Fester]

Dude, I am just going to say that this country has several dam failures, or at least emergency operations at a dam each...and...every...year. It may not catch your attention when a dam gets obliterated in Nebraska, Michigan, or ????, but it happens every year for a number of reasons. We have several major dams in ND that are going to be undergoing repairs/upgrades in the coming years because of insufficiencies.

Absolutely amazing that anyone would write what you just put your name on.

https://npdp.stanford.edu/sites/def...p_dam_failure_summary_compilation_v1_2018.pdf

The upkeep and construction on a dam has nothing to do with how many operators or employees they have running the show at the dam. Dam failures come from lack of inspection/poor inspection or not fixing the problem..usually donr by a sub. We are talking avout to much govt employees where they are bot needed. If they are needed so be it they should be there. Its the not needed part we are talking about...the excess

 

[bravo]

The upkeep and construction on a dam has nothing to do with how many operators or employees they have running the show at the dam. Dam failures come from lack of inspection/poor inspection or not fixing the problem..usually donr by a sub. We are talking avout to much govt employees where they are bot needed. If they are needed so be it they should be there. Its the not needed part we are talking about...the excess

Upkeep has nothing to do with maintenance and operations of a hydro dam. PM’s and inspections are done via private third party. WOW you are daft. Who are you trying to convince??

Again, glad you are in charge of nothing.

 

[lunkerslayer]

But you are telling me that paying a federal electrician almost double to the same exact job as the private sector is ok tells me everything i need to know.

 

[bravo]

The exact same job?

Comprehension has never been your strong suit (and I don’t know where he got the $34 and hour figure, but it’s wrong), but go back and read. A power or process plant electrician pays more. The exact same fed job pays less than private sector and I posted proof.

You are either being willfully ignorant in order to “win”, or you actually are stupid. The end. You two have your own circle jerk without me.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Coming from a tax money sponge like you?!

The reason I draw the max in social security is because I paid the max working at a coal mine.

Hurry up and pay it in bravo, I need to draw it out. Ha

 

[bravo]

The reason I draw the max in social security is because I paid the max working at a coal mine.

Hurry up and pay it in bravo, I need to draw it out. Ha

Trust me I’m doing my best

 

[Fester]

Upkeep has nothing to do with maintenance and operations of a hydro dam. PM’s and inspections are done via private third party. WOW you are daft. Who are you trying to convince??

Again, glad you are in charge of nothing.

Where is that meme about people arguing to cut govt waste? The one where people arfue against it..perfect fit for you. Like i said if its needed so be it..get rid of waste and yes EVERY federal employee sgouldnhave there wage looked at and it should be within a certain percent of the public.

 

[Fester]

You can look up average wages with in the state..gives you a very close amount. Shit i think local what is 714 has wages posted to their website and they call for someting around $38-$44 an hour..unless in the patch and thats uniin work which is a higher wage then non union sector. I dont think Bravo understands what average means.......

 

[bravo]

Where is that meme about people arguing to cut govt waste? The one where people arfue against it..perfect fit for you. Like i said if its needed so be it..get rid of waste and yes EVERY federal employee sgouldnhave there wage looked at and it should be within a certain percent of the public.

I am all for cutting government waste. I think there is serious bloat and there are cushy do-nothing jobs that should be cut. I also know that there are necessary government jobs and that many government services are in fact a bargain compared to the private sector. Ignorant vilifying of federal employees is dumb. If we want serious government waste cut, you’ll never get it by cutting jobs. It’s in the contracts and grants. And to your last sentence, that’s already done in wage bargaining and it’s all publicly available.

You can look up average wages with in the state..gives you a very close amount. Shit i think local what is 714 has wages posted to their website and they call for someting around $38-$44 an hour..unless in the patch and thats uniin work which is a higher wage then non union sector. I dont think Bravo understands what average means.......

Yes they do. Small commercial jobs offering 40/hr plus per diem which comes out to…50-60 per hour. Amazing. Oilfield and power plant even more. Do you understand what comparable industry means? If WAPA was running wires in new apartments we could compare your 34-40 and hour number.