DEA is looking to drop marijuana down to a schedule 2 or 3 drug

[deleted]

Ha, Somebody want to volunteer to tag her calf?

Heck ya............as long as I can do it from inside the bale feeder.

 

[dean nelson]

Gst I don't know anyone who thinks making it legal will make drug abuse less they just realize that treating something that is used by a huge % of the population as a crime is silly. If everyone is doing it it's better for the government to get some of the money instead of the cartels.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Im not a fan of this 'compassionate care' act. If you read the fine print, its basically a 'put a lot of money into the pockets of the bills creators act', severely limiting peoples ability to grow their own meds and excessive restrictions about who can become an authorized care provider.

 

[phillyblunt701]

Legalize it!

 

[gst]

Gst I don't know anyone who thinks making it legal will make drug abuse less they just realize that treating something that is used by a huge % of the population as a crime is silly. If everyone is doing it it's better for the government to get some of the money instead of the cartels.

So when your kid is hooked on heroin, is that an acceptable reason for it being legalized ?

So under that thought process then we should do away with age limits on drinking then as well?

Most people in a bar after 4 or 5 drinks if pulled over in the parking lot would fail a BA test. so perhaps we should raise the BA requirement for a DUI then as well?

Mot people drive at least 5 miles an hour over the speed limit..............

 

[Tommyboy]

So when your kid is hooked on heroin, is that an acceptable reason for it being legalized ?

 

[gst]

about as quick as guys now pissing in girls bathrooms because they are "confused" did.............

 

[HolePuncher]

Boy ooooo boy, dose this topic ever want to make people speak up !! This is going to be a hit, hot topic....

 

[Captain Ahab]

Legalize it!

Phillyblunt wants to legalize. Didn't see that one coming;-)

 

[gst]

like I said, if you are in favor of legalizing pot, don;t deny the incremental trend to legalize ALL drugs follows using the very same arguments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/drug-legalization/

 

[guywhofishes]

I like milk. It does a body good.

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My understanding is the pill form is a complete disaster

Yeah - synthetic THC flopped according to many.

I guess I was talking the candies, cookies, etc. made from concentrated high grade pot but consumed orally. So it still contains all the nuanced happy chemicals. Anybody with real world experience with those?

 

[deleted member]

Incrementalism bruce

 

[dean nelson]

So when your kid is hooked on heroin, is that an acceptable reason for it being legalized ?

So under that thought process then we should do away with age limits on drinking then as well?

Most people in a bar after 4 or 5 drinks if pulled over in the parking lot would fail a BA test. so perhaps we should raise the BA requirement for a DUI then as well?

Mot people drive at least 5 miles an hour over the speed limit..............

Join the real world for a bit here would you. Pot is less dangerous then alcohol and the ban on it is failing for the exact same reasons the one on alcohol did. If you create a vacuum in a market it will be filled by organized crime. So heroin has the same level of danger to the user that pot does....yeah didn't think so. Compare apples to apples not apples to hand grenades!

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

IMO it should be regulated under law exactly like Alcohol. 21+ only and yes you can get a DUI for being high (well once there is a legit test for it)

 

[Davey Crockett]

Yeah - synthetic THC flopped according to many.

I guess I was talking the candies, cookies, etc. made from concentrated high grade pot but consumed orally. So it still contains all the nuanced happy chemicals. Anybody with real world experience with those?

Not real world but they are breeding plants without the THC that gets you high.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/06/...t-without-the-high-it-could-be-good-medicine/


The more I have learned the more I feel grow your own is the way to go. Lycan is right, Anything short of that will be deep pocketed middle men and the ones that actually need it still won't be able to afford it even though it's legal. Meanwhile the recreation users aren't going to give up growing it illegally just because it's legal to buy.

 

[701FishSlayer]

i have no issue with mj being legalized for medical use and would support that measure.

It will likely be abused much like other prescription drugs.nothing more than opinion.

those claiming recreational use of mj is just smoking a plant and does no harm need to talk with those that deal with the impacts to society and addicts themselves before making that claim. ok, but it's already been debunked as being addictive.

back when prohibition of alcohol and temperance movement failed this nation/govt realized people needed/demanded a vice. Alcohol was the vice chosen to legalize. It doesn;t make it any less damaging than any other drug. Just legal. And yet the impacts of alcohol use/abuse have not gone away. So why does anyone think the consequences of drug abuse will go away once legal? what's the argument that they won't?

no matter what is legalized, there will always be another drug that is sought. once again, just opinion. mj has been proven to be a gateway drug false, that's been debunked. to those as people chase that high with more powerful drugs. Most addicts admit to trying other drugs while high on pot (more assumptions). And there are those that will push to continue to legalize all drugs using the very same justifications being used to legalize mj. opinion

we can look to what has happened in other countries that have gone this path over the last few decades to learn. Most all are back tracking in some manner because of consequences they have found. can't predict the future from the past, could assume i spose, but that makes people look like....

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/myths/myths4.htm

supporters point to portugal for data showing decreases in drug usage from 2001 but there is not economic data to correlate with it. At what cost does drug legalization "work" portugal is not the united states

taxing the hell out of something only creates a black market. Prohibition proved that. So you trade one law enforcement nightmare for another.

Legalizing without taxes creates the responsibility to deal economically with the costs of usage and addiction. debunked as addictive who pays for that? Drug users that are nonproductive or others? nothing to pay for, it's not addictive.

indeed those same people now pay for the "war" on drugs as well, so it will take a shift of changing peoples ideals. Who on here is willing to pay higher taxes to cover the cost of legal drug usage? hard to change people's minds, you can blow smoke at them though to sway them towards your own agenda.

we complain about paying for some gal with her professional hair braided and 3 inch nails done talking on a cell phone standing in line with steak and lobster in her cart with an ebt card in her hand. Now we are supposed to gladly pay for her 11 kids legalized drug usage costs to society as well? you can't control where your tax dollars go in situations like that, so that's just a copout.

if you wish to argue for legalizing recreational pot at least don;t blow smoke up peoples ass about what the costs and incremental impacts are going to be. good solid advice

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http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-harmful-side-effects-pot-legalization-caused-colorado/

7 harmful side effects pot legalization has caused in colorado

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there is more bad news out of colorado regarding the negative impact of marijuana legalization.
As i reported a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that although overall traffic fatalities in colorado have gone down since 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (colorado legalized marijuana for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in 2012.) furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented only 7 percent of total fatalities in colorado, but in 2012 they represented 16 percent of total colorado fatalities. means nothing. There's no proof they were smoking at the time of accidents. In most cases it stays in your system weeks after you have used. These numbers are garbage and hold no water.
now, there is even more proof from colorado that legalizing pot, as i have argued before, is terrible public policy.
This new report paints an even bleaker picture of what is happening in colorado since it legalized the possession, sale, and consumption of marijuana.
According to the new report by the rocky mountain high intensity drug trafficking area entitled “the legalization of marijuana in colorado: The impact,” the impact of legalized marijuana in colorado has resulted in:

1. The majority of dui drug arrests involve marijuana and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alonne. i thought everybody did and were tempted to do other drugs while high on marijuana. Of course the dui numbers are going to go up, the police know to target them. That's like saying the first bars opened in town and dui numbers from booze have skyrocketed.
2. In 2012, 10.47 percent of colorado youth ages 12 to 17 were considered current marijuana users compared to 7.55 percent nationally. Colorado ranked fourth in the nation, and was 39 percent higher than the national average. these surveys don't hold any water. Many youth/adolescents answer the surveys incorrectly in the first place (they lie to feel better about themselves and appear cool) again, numbers that mean nothing.
3. Drug-related student suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent from school years 2008-09 through 2012-13, the vast majority were for marijuana violations. same thing as if booze duis increased after bars recently opening for the very first time ever.
4. In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students were considered current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally, which ranks colorado third in the nation and 42 percent above the national average. so, there was an increase in legal users. What exactly is the problem?
5. In 2013, 48.4 percent of denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana, which is a 16 percent increase from 2008. sometimes people test positive from legal substances, it happens.
6. From 2011 through 2013 there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related emergency room visits. now that its legal, people dont have to lie any more at the hospital why they are there.
7. Hospitalizations related to marijuana has increased 82 percent since 2008. lol what
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the report ( biased garbage consisting of letters and puncuations.) includes other data about the negative effect of legalizing marijuana in colorado, including marijuana-related exposure to children, treatment, the flood of marijuana in and out of colorado, the dangers of pot extraction labs and other disturbing factual trends. spewing more garbage, looks legit to the misinformed/uneducated though.
don’t expect this data to impact the push to legalize pot in colorado, or elsewhere for that matter. Big pot is big business, and the push to legalize is really all about profit, despite inconvenient facts.
Drug policy should be based on hard science and reliable data. And the data coming out of colorado points to one and only one conclusion: The legalization of marijuana in the state is terrible public policy.

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[Davey Crockett]

Haha, One thing about GST, he ain't afraid to chime in and write a term paper whether he has a clue or not. I read it and all I could do is smile and shake my head and chuckle. I could see some fun in that post but I couldn't make myself respond . How about we stick to facts and documented studies and reports instead of opinions Gabe and let the people decide for themselves.

Here is a good start, Keep in mind some of these studies were based on extracts and not even the real deal that works better . Big pharma is trying their best to make pills out of this so they can get rich.

I'm not trying to insult your intelligence GST , Simply calling a spade a spade. You know how that goes.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000884

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http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v95/n2/abs/6603236a.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11479216
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/21/17/6475.abstract
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/308/3/838.abstract
http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/10/1/90.abstract
[h=3]Cures Mouth and Throat Cancer[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516734
Cures Breast Cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20859676
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025276
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915267
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/early/2006/05/25/jpet.106.105247.full.pdf+html
http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22776349
http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8375.full.pdf+html
Cures Lung Cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22198381?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21097714?dopt=Abstract
http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/1210641a.html
[h=3]Cures Uterine, Testicular, and Pancreatic Cancers[/h]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/13/6748.abstract
[h=3]Cures Prostate Cancer[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12746841?dopt=Abstract
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[h=3]Cures Colorectal Cancer[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22231745
[h=3]Cures Ovarian Cancer[/h]http://www.aacrmeetingabstracts.org/cgi/content/abstract/2006/1/1084
[h=3]Cures Blood Cancer[/h]ttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12091357
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16908594
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.23584/abstract
http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/70/5/1612.abstract
[h=3]Cures Skin Cancer[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12511587
[h=3]Cures Liver Cancer[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475304
[h=3]Cures Biliary Tract Cancer[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19916793
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[h=3]Cures Cancer in General[/h]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12514108

 

[Hookin8easy]

I'd be willing to bet many stole their first beer from the fridge or cooler at home versus a phatty in the nightstand, gateway drug, hmmm, comical how mj is the go to culprit

 

[gst]

I have no issue with MJ being legalized for medical use and would support that measure.

It will likely be abused much like other prescription drugs.
.

DAvy, perhaps you missed that portion of my statement?

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Haha, One thing about GST, he ain't afraid to chime in and write a term paper whether he has a clue or not. I read it and all I could do is smile and shake my head and chuckle. I could see some fun in that post but I couldn't make myself respond . How about we stick to facts and documented studies and reports instead of opinions Gabe and let the people decide for themselves.

Davy please show where I have posted anything contradicting MJ medical values.

Apparently you think the statistical facts that have shown up after Colorado legalized recreational pot is my "opinion", but you would be wrong. So if you wish to minimilize others comments, having a "clue" yourself before you start may be beneficial

 

[johnr]

its fine until someone does it while working, being responsible for the safety of others is not a concern when intoxicated on any chemical.

I wouldn't want my mechanic, bus driver, dentist, or anyone charged with the care of me or my family to be mind altered. Booze weed or otherwise.

Normally a drinker has a few after a shift, or on the weekends at a party or bar. Seems fine if a doper wants to do the same to me, not cool if they toke a little in the am to take the edge off, or over the lunch hour to settle a busy day, etc. That goes for any type of "cocktail"

I know some dopers that think being high is no big deal, just wouldn't want that guy replacing my heart valve.