Deer Baiting Ban

[drayweb]

Why don't they just close the whole state to baiting? It's closed in all our neighboring states and provinces.

https://www.apnews.com/f8a8632bde5b4d699401ae2473356f66

 

[guywhofishes]

“It affects big bucks the most,”

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translation: “Trophy hunters should get behind a ban”.

 

[Feildhunter701]

One more time with this subject?

 

[KDM]

Can anyone explain to me how baiting is harming the deer populations anywhere in the state using facts, data, and science while simultaneously excluding emotion, politics, conjecture, or judgmental positions? Anyone?? Until someone can produce scientific data showing that baiting is a detriment to the deer population, it's nothing but political grandstanding by agenda minded individuals and completely devoid of any merit whatsoever.

 

[Downrigger]

While taking a poop i determined that i cannot provide any proof or argument to you Mr. KDM.

 

[riverview]

why would it affect big bucks the most?? been illegal in mn for years but I know of a lot of bait piles over there. on my game cams it is mostly does and fawns that come 4 or 5 times a day. yes if does are around bucks will come deer are going to yard up every winter and live close to one another and eat from the same food source.

 

[1bigfokker]

No garden no bird feeders no apple or oak trees and the list goes on.

 

[Retired Educator]

I also question the benefit of banning bait. I have hunted over bait as well as going without a bait pile. My experience is that there were lots of does and fauns using the bait, not often that a buck came in to feed. Unless they were feeding at night. Is there a reason a bigger buck is affected more by CWD than other deer? How do you prevent the yarding up of deer during the winter? When deer get into big groups during the winter that is a much bigger group than those around a small pile of grain. I never used a bigger pile than about a bucket full so it was mostly 2 or 3 deer coming in. Wondering whether banning bait is more of a "feel good" rule because at least I'm doing something. Would you also ban food plots? If you do, would it then be illegal to hunt a clover or alfalfa field? Making it illegal to hunt the edge of a sunflower filed prior to harvest?

CWD is a problem without an easy answer. Then again, how big of a problem is it? Some states have had CWD for years and it doesn't seem to have a huge impact on the number of deer. For awhile moose suffered from what was commonly called 'brain worm', not sure of the scientific name, but now you don't hear so much of it. Kind of ran its course.

If baiting is banned it really won't affect me at all, just wondering how much of an affect it will have on the deer. Not a big fan of rules that are put in place with no evidence of benefit. The times I have hunted over bait was when we had a big excess of deer and I was in more of a herd reduction mode and hunting does. It offered close shots and very clean kills. On the land I hunted back then the landowner(s) hunted big bucks. Then never hunted over bait unless it was some natural food such as a patch of unharvested beans or corn and that wasn't common.

 

[Riggen&Jiggen]

If baiting is banned you will definitely see a big drop in bow hunter success. Not sure if I even know a whitetail bow hunter that does not bait. Anyways it is funny to me that the G&F don't waste anytime considering this but drag there feet on the ANS issues.

 

[Downrigger]

Hi, my name is Downrigger and I bait deer.

I have 3 feeders set on 900 acres in central ND. We have 2 permanent stands and set 2 gound blinds every year. Of these, 1 stand can shoot a feeder. The feed is used to keep does and fawns in the area to hopefully attract bucks. This year that didnt work for me and i had tag soup. It was delicious by the way. If they took baiting away ot wouldnt stop me from hunting. It might not even lower my success rate. I use it as a tool and a good way to feed wildlife from generally august theough february. Its not piles of corn. Automatic feeder for 4 seconds twice a day. It is not a primary food source for the deer but a little treat.

 

[Fishmission]

Here’s one that doesn’t use bait. On refuges you can’t bait anyway. Never have tried it. Talked to several game warden’s over the years and that’s the first thing they tell me when I get checked. Doesn’t stop some from throwing some corn out though. Saw a pile last year.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

You guys haven't seen anything yet.

We have a lot of great ND Game and Fish personnel. And then we have a few agenda minded individuals. From the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Best Management practices resolutions:

States, provinces, and territories without documented cases of CWD could implement a blanket import ban on harvested cervids inclusive of meat and antlers, from all areas, regardless of CWD status. This alternative would provide the greatest reduction in the risk of importation of CWD. However, its implementation has the greatest economic and political impacts to states/provinces impact to states/provinces, along with reduced hunter opportunity by restricting or eliminating non-resident hunting. While this is an option, it would likely is considered be viewed as the least acceptable alternative, given the consequences. A blanket import ban would simplify import regulation of carcasses for agencies and enforcement purposes. However, the regulation will be unpopular with the state’s hunting public who enjoy hunting in other states and particularly those hunters who hunt as nonresidents in non CWD areas. In addition, such restrictions would significantly impact states, provinces, and territories economically, due to direct economic losses from a decrease in non-resident license sales and indirect expenditures (e.g., hotels, fuel, and groceries)

In addition, states and provinces should consider adopting the following regulations and policies:
• Provide educational material (online videos) for hunters on how to field-dress and debone carcasses and prepare skull caps or taxidermy mounts to ensure they are in compliance with CWD regulations.
• Require all meat be processed in the state where the animal was harvested, especially when hunting in CWD-enzootic states. Regulations may be required to ensure that local butchers do not process animals from out-of-state.
• Ensure consistent enforcement of regulations with carcass seizures and penalties for violations.
• Provide information about CWD-positive counties, state, provinces, and countries on wildlife agency websites that are updated regularly. • Provide web resources showing how and where a hunter can have their animal tested.
• Provide a web resource that has a better user interface to display such as, Cervid carcass regulations by state - Michigan DNR where hunters can search by their destination state/province and their residence state /province to ensure they are in compliance.
o All states, provinces, and territories should provide a notification protocol for CWD positive animals harvested by a non-resident hunter. This would include direct notification to the state/provincial agency of a nonresident hunter and the hunter. This procedure allows for contact between the home state/provincial agency and the hunter to determine 1) if the carcass was legally imported and 2) if the carcass, parts, or game meat can be recovered for proper disposal by incineration or digestion.
• States and provinces positive for CWD should notify all non-resident hunters at time of license purchase or thereafter, that they likely are prohibited from importing carcass parts or entire carcasses to their home states and provinces. In some jurisdictions this may not be feasible.
• State /province/territory could consider allowing importation of whole cervid carcasses, provided the carcass is accompanied by a ‘not detected’ CWD test. This may be difficult to implement, due to the turn-around time required for CWD testing.

 

[NDbowman]

Can anyone explain to me how baiting is harming the deer populations anywhere in the state using facts, data, and science while simultaneously excluding emotion, politics, conjecture, or judgmental positions? Anyone?? Until someone can produce scientific data showing that baiting is a detriment to the deer population, it's nothing but political grandstanding by agenda minded individuals and completely devoid of any merit whatsoever.

I can absolutely explain to you how baiting is harmful to deer populations. They come in, you shoot one, one less deer. ;:;rofl

 

[drayweb]

The Game and Fish doesn't enforce the baiting ban anyway. I know someone in the southwest part of the state who baits deer. I talked to one of the Game Wardens in that area, and they said that they couldn't prosecute because they would have to arrest every little old lady who feed deer.

 

[buckhunter24_7]

Just ban man made deer blinds and stands first. If people had to hunt from the ground in the open most wouldn't get a deer. People think baiting is a unfair advantage tree stands and ground blinds are a huge advantage and should be banned first

 

[1bigfokker]

ANS will fuck things up faster than sick deer, yet GNF dismisses the threat and takes no action.

 

[KDM]

While taking a poop i determined that i cannot provide any proof or argument to you Mr. KDM.

HaHaHa!! Throughout time, I suspect many a good thought has been produced by a strong power squeeze.

 

[Kurtr]

Living in a state where baiting has been not allowed for ever i dont think it has any real affect biologically it more of a feel good thing kinda like our slot limit. What i think it would do is have less deer running around with arrows hanging out of there ass. THe cwd is damn near akin to global warming some where some one is making a fuck ton of money off it

 

[guywhofishes]

are food plots considered baiting?

 

[wby257]

are food plots considered baiting?

I agree, a food plot is baiting any way you look at it. Weather it be a pile of Corn or a field of corn and sunflowers add in some radishes and you have yourself a buffet for the deer.