EHD again???

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https://gf.nd.gov/news/7872

Tue, 10/22/2024
The state Game and Fish Department is allowing hunters with whitetail or “any” deer gun licenses in several units in western North Dakota the option of turning those licenses in for refunds.
Casey Anderson, wildlife chief, said the decision is based on scattered reports of white-tailed deer mortality caused by epizootic hemorrhagic disease that began in late August.
Hunters with antlered whitetail, antlerless whitetail, any antlered and any antlerless licenses, are eligible for refunds in units 3D1, 3D2, 3E1, 4B, 4C, and 4D. Hunters who return their licenses will have their bonus points restored, if applicable, to the same number of points prior to the 2024 deer gun lottery.
“Compared to previous years, this outbreak appears mild and less extensive,” Anderson said. “However, it’s possible that some hunters could notice an impact in localized areas.”
Department staff will continue to monitor reports to determine if licenses in additional units should become eligible for refunds due to the EHD outbreak. Hunters and landowners should report any dead deer along with photos, if possible, to the department through the online wildlife mortality reporting system, at gf.nd.gov/mortality-report.
Before deciding to turn in a license, Anderson urges license holders to make local contacts to find out the extent of mortality in their hunting unit.
“Most areas within these units have not been heavily affected and a good deer harvest is still needed,” he said. “But a little scouting and a phone call or two will help to make an informed decision.”
License holders who qualify and want a refund must mail their tag, along with a note requesting a refund due to EHD, to the Game and Fish Department’s Bismarck office no later than Nov. 8. Envelopes postmarked Nov. 8 will be accepted.
EHD, a naturally occurring virus that is spread by a biting midge, is often fatal to infected white-tailed deer, while mule deer do not usually die from the disease. Hunters do not have to worry about handling or consuming meat from infected deer because the virus that causes EHD is not known to cause disease in humans. In addition, the first series of hard frosts typically kills the midge that transmits the EHD virus and will slow or halt the spread of the disease.



WTF??? :mad:
 


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Work with a guy that has been bow hunting in 4D and he just said they have not found any dead deer.
 

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I also didn’t think EHD would be bad as the western areas had a couple pretty cold 30-35 degree mornings back in sept…..🤷🏼
 

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Surprised they're not offing a complimentary 3f2 tag as well.... Are the neighboring units that different?

Comment is in reference to the landowner program they have going to harvest antlerless deer.
 


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Dr. Ruder is probably one of the leading wildlife veterinarians and pathologists in the nation on the subject of hemorrhagic disease. Though he’s done a lot of work on CWD as well.

There is very little we can do to stop EHD in North Dakota. The only vaccine is intramuscular, requires multiple injections at least 6 weeks apart, and are not permanent. In other words that means catching all the deer twice every single year to administer the vaccine.

And let’s keep in mind, we know for a fact HD viruses have been around a long time, and whitetail deer have thrived in the face of them.

Take a listen.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/north_dakota_bha_podcast_episode_6

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/north_dakota_bha_podcast_episode_7
 

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Yes let’s wave the white flag on the leading cause of natural mortality and dump our money into a fucking witch hunt….. good call 👍
I don’t think anyone is throwing in the white flag. There’s ongoing research being conducted. But given that a single gnat bite can infect and subsequently kill a deer, and that can start an outbreak if the conditions are right. It’s not hard to see how that would make it quite difficult to implement a solution. Especially when you consider that those gnats can reproduce with a little mud in the middle of a pasture or around a stock tank.

With what’s available now, the only option would be to drench entire regional landscapes with insecticides, killing every insect and other aquatic life in its path. Think about the effects that would have on fish, waterfowl, aquatic habitats, etc.
 

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I’d bet if we sunk the same amount of money into it as cwd we’d have a lot of scientists and experts popping up with ideas……
 

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I’d bet if we sunk the same amount of money into it as cwd we’d have a lot of scientists and experts popping up with ideas……
Dr. Ruder touches a bit on that in the podcast. Might be worth listening to…
 


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Touches a bit isn’t enough. At this point anyone that chases the cwd money isn’t a scientific expert. They are a poor man’s Fauci…..
 

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Small sample size but last time we had a huge out break some guys put out garlic salt licks. It made a noticeable difference in dead deer that were found in that areas that didn’t do it.
 

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Dr. Ruder is probably one of the leading wildlife veterinarians and pathologists in the nation on the subject of hemorrhagic disease. Though he’s done a lot of work on CWD as well.

There is very little we can do to stop EHD in North Dakota. The only vaccine is intramuscular, requires multiple injections at least 6 weeks apart, and are not permanent. In other words that means catching all the deer twice every single year to administer the vaccine.

And let’s keep in mind, we know for a fact HD viruses have been around a long time, and whitetail deer have thrived in the face of them.

Take a listen.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/north_dakota_bha_podcast_episode_6

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/north_dakota_bha_podcast_episode_7
How about trying to kill the midge instead of vaccinating the deer? Wouldn't spraying insecticide be a far more practical and efficient means to deal with EHD?
 


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How about trying to kill the midge instead of vaccinating the deer? Wouldn't spraying insecticide be a far more practical and efficient means to deal with EHD?
See post #8 and listen to the podcasts.

The information is all out there…
 

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Small sample size but last time we had a huge out break some guys put out garlic salt licks. It made a noticeable difference in dead deer that were found in that areas that didn’t do it.
I’ve talked to ranchers and heard other stories from folks who have tried this in an effort to reduce flies. Most of the stories I’ve heard, say they couldn’t tell if it made any difference in reducing flies on their cattle, with a few anecdotal accounts of some effect.

Based on your description, I’d think it’s more likely that the outbreak just wasn’t as bad in that particular area due to gnat reproduction areas and the number infected animals (deer and cattle) that started the outbreak chain reaction.

What I do find funny (and this isn’t directed at you at all), is that folks will tend to believe an anecdotal account like the example you gave, but then completely disregard solid, data backed, peer reviewed, repeatable research around CWD. It’s kind of comical to watch the confirmation bias at work. It literally makes me chuckle.

Anyway, carry on…
 

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Small sample size but last time we had a huge out break some guys put out garlic salt licks. It made a noticeable difference in dead deer that were found in that areas that didn’t do it.
I heard the SD GFP weren't too happy and went after some that did.
 

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I’ve talked to ranchers and heard other stories from folks who have tried this in an effort to reduce flies. Most of the stories I’ve heard, say they couldn’t tell if it made any difference in reducing flies on their cattle, with a few anecdotal accounts of some effect.

Based on your description, I’d think it’s more likely that the outbreak just wasn’t as bad in that particular area due to gnat reproduction areas and the number infected animals (deer and cattle) that started the outbreak chain reaction.

What I do find funny (and this isn’t directed at you at all), is that folks will tend to believe an anecdotal account like the example you gave, but then completely disregard solid, data backed, peer reviewed, repeatable research around CWD. It’s kind of comical to watch the confirmation bias at work. It literally makes me chuckle.

Anyway, carry on…
Thanks for the info, appreciate something other than X and TikTok videos as “proof” of some conspiracy theory. As you’re aware this site is not known for fact/evidence based discussions.
 

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Small sample size but last time we had a huge out break some guys put out garlic salt licks. It made a noticeable difference in dead deer that were found in that areas that didn’t do it.

Since EHD tends to make the deer thirsty, can't say I'm surprised that there weren't too many dead deer found near the salt blocks. Last thing most of us want when thirsty is a salt block.
 


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