Federal Land Transfer

[lunkerslayer]

eye do you mean reservations will be actually a sovereign nation which would be total control of the tribes and no one else. That would be a catastrophe in epic proportions for those who have no authority over what get done on the reservations. There are so much corruption now I would be scared to see what happens if they got full reigns on daily decisions.

 

[johnr]

Pretty sure you need tribal stamp to launch at McKenzie Bay johnr, used to in the past at least. So who's land is it again?

I have fished and camped out of McKenzie for about the last 10 years, never have I, or anyone I know purchased a tribal stamp.

I was at the Skunk bay ice tourney a few years back and some tribal "game warden" was asking for us to pay an access few, and the person running the tourney(who we all know) told those guys to take a hike. Our state issued fishing license was all that was required to access the lake from any public boat ramp.

 

[TFX 186]

I have fished and camped out of McKenzie for about the last 10 years, never have I, or anyone I know purchased a tribal stamp.

I was at the Skunk bay ice tourney a few years back and some tribal "game warden" was asking for us to pay an access few, and the person running the tourney(who we all know) told those guys to take a hike. Our state issued fishing license was all that was required to access the lake from any public boat ramp.

johnr
It's been quite a few years back now but the natives used to try collect money for launching at Pouch Point also. They would get you coming and going. We just refused to pay and went up the road and put in. I think they got tired and quit that nonsense. If you look at the map in the link, not many ramps "wont" be included in this land transfer. I think the major worry is that they get the money grab for launching going again or use this opportunity to "bargain" for something in return. I think this is going to get real messy before its all done.

Fish On!

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you need a stamp to launch your boat on any state, federal, tribal, or private land. same goes with some Minnesota lakes accessing for lake during ice fishing andalso Lake region Anglers own a private boat launch on six mile bay camp ground, there are also 3 private boat launches on Devils Lake now.
So what is your point colt45

Lunk
Can you elaborate on your thoughts here? Private ramps would definitely have a charge or a stamp to use but I am confused with the stamp for state or federal ramps part of your post. The regular fishing license issued by each state would cover the state and or federal ramps I believe. I think what Colt is getting at is if this land transfer makes most of the ramps private to the tribe, then what stops them from charging for private access also. Haven't seen anything guaranteeing access for all the public!

Fish On!

 

[PrairieGhost]

How many thousand years are we going to keep paying? Some year this all has to end. If not we are slaves and the Indians actually won the wars. We need to forget the wars and move on. I grew up on a reservation and many of the natives had eyes just as blue as mine, and blond hair. I probably look more native than half the reservation I grew up on.

Why do the reservations always dwell on the negative. We have nearly doubled their life expectancy. I think they are more comfortable in free gov housing than a teepee in -30 North Dakota. Truth is I am betting less than 5% of the people are really full blood native American. Like it or not they are race wise nearly the same as us and have been for about 30 years. True for North Dakota anyway.

 

[lunkerslayer]

johnr
It's been quite a few years back now but the natives used to try collect money for launching at Pouch Point also. They would get you coming and going. We just refused to pay and went up the road and put in. I think they got tired and quit that nonsense. If you look at the map in the link, not many ramps "wont" be included in this land transfer. I think the major worry is that they get the money grab for launching going again or use this opportunity to "bargain" for something in return. I think this is going to get real messy before its all done.

Fish On!

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Lunk
Can you elaborate on your thoughts here? Private ramps would definitely have a charge or a stamp to use but I am confused with the stamp for state or federal ramps part of your post. The regular fishing license issued by each state would cover the state and or federal ramps I believe. I think what Colt is getting at is if this land transfer makes most of the ramps private to the tribe, then what stops them from charging for private access also. Haven't seen anything guaranteeing access for all the public!

Fish On!

Renwick dam is a state park, graham's island is a state park you need a pass to launch your boat

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https://www.usbr.gov/gp/boat/

 

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Renwick dam is a state park, graham's island is a state park you need a pass to launch your boat

Thanks Lunk!
Yes State Parks I believe would require a State Park pass to enter the park.

Fish On!

 

[eyexer]

eye do you mean reservations will be actually a sovereign nation which would be total control of the tribes and no one else. That would be a catastrophe in epic proportions for those who have no authority over what get done on the reservations. There are so much corruption now I would be scared to see what happens if they got full reigns on daily decisions.

no one has a solid plan yet. It was just proposed to Trump by a native congressman from Oklahoma and another one from some other state. They want to do something that would remove the governmental red tape to get approvals for certain things. Kind of like having them set up like a county where they have a set of commissioners and a set of other divisions like planning/zoning so they can get approvals from local governing entities as opposed to the feds. They take years to approve shit. But it'll be a disaster you can bet. I see it going down like this. The well to do natives will love it and make huge $. The rest will be shit on and have their wallets raided. Kind of like our government works lol

 

[lunkerslayer]

PG I agree with your post those who live on the Reservation are dying at a rate much higher than those who live off the reservation. I believe at the time of the dawes act was a good idea as to allow natives to assimilate into America life. Reservation served a purpose as a place of safe to be able to live in an area that was free of predjuce from local settlers. The people on the reservation were outlawed from carring a gun because at the time all goods were provided by the federal government. Now we are looking at several generations since that time, they own nothing on the reservation they don't own their houses so why take care of those houses. But not all natives live this way some live a simple life free of material possession only to live out their days until the creator calls to them.
So like sand through the hour glass so does the days of our lives. Anyone can live on the reservation not just natives but why would you

 

[eyexer]

How many thousand years are we going to keep paying? Some year this all has to end. If not we are slaves and the Indians actually won the wars. We need to forget the wars and move on. I grew up on a reservation and many of the natives had eyes just as blue as mine, and blond hair. I probably look more native than half the reservation I grew up on.

Why do the reservations always dwell on the negative. We have nearly doubled their life expectancy. I think they are more comfortable in free gov housing than a teepee in -30 North Dakota. Truth is I am betting less than 5% of the people are really full blood native American. Like it or not they are race wise nearly the same as us and have been for about 30 years. True for North Dakota anyway.

that's what I keep saying. Every ten years they come up with some damn thing to claim the white man hadn't paid up or cheated them out of something. So the liberals cut em another check. So why would they quit now. They have bilked us out of billions of dollars. Here's the thing that really chaps my ass. They all claim to "take care of family and fellow natives". Well that's total bullshit. They hate the other tribes as much as they hate the white man. Otherwise you wouldn't have the starvation going on at Pine Ridge. You have tribes that are making huge money. Shakopee members each receive about 1.4 million per year from Mystic Lakes Casino. They live in mansions and buy escalades up the ass. Yet they can't send a dollar to pine ridge.

 

[johnr]

Well some of this land that they are gifting away appears to not be native land. Does all these acres just get turned into tribal land?

The entire think is suspect at best. Also the ramps that are maintained by GNF are state/federal owned, they would either be removed or kept as free access would be my guess. Just like around lake Tschida when that camp ground tried to keep the general public out of using a certain boat ramp, the GNF was going to shut the ramp down. Suddenly the owner of the camp ground had a change of heart.

PG is right, we are slaves to this tribal BS, enough is enough. None of us were around when this stuff all took place, why should we be punished with the debt of this absolute constant nonsense.

 

[Colt45]

I have fished and camped out of McKenzie for about the last 10 years, never have I, or anyone I know purchased a tribal stamp.QUOTE]

Maybe it has changed, the last time I camped at McKenzie was probably 2004, they used to sit on the ramp and check to see if you had a tribal stamp, think it was $10 or so and if you didn't have a stamp you got a $50 ticket. Pretty sure that's how it was but I could be mis-remembering as far as the requirement for a tribal stamp. Said you needed tribe stamp because you cross tribe land to access the ramp on corps land. Now that it is all tribe land right to the water, I suspect there will be new access fees coming......... could be wrong. I hope I am wrong anyways

 

[PrairieGhost]

The problem is not racial, it is cultural, and created by the liberals that hypocritical don't respect native Americans. The goal of liberals is to make us all dependent on gov. They had an easier time with the native Americans because they had them isolated on reservations. They also used race to drive a wedge between us. The liberals stir up hate to take advantage of minorities. We are more divided after eight years of Obama, and it wasn't an accident.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I don't believe liberals or democrats had anything to do with selling off native trust lands that was done for decades all the way up to the 30s.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I don't believe liberals or democrats had anything to do with selling off native trust lands that was done for decades all the way up to the 30s.

I know nothing about that. My only point is they are trying to make us all dependent on gov. None of us are immune to the bait they set.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I know nothing about that. My only point is they are trying to make us all dependent on gov. None of us are immune to the bait they set.

That's true PG hopefully trump can think more like a business man than a politician, even Bill Gates thinks trump is going to be the next JFK. Will see what happens in 2017

 

[gst]

I have fished and camped out of McKenzie for about the last 10 years, never have I, or anyone I know purchased a tribal stamp.QUOTE]

Maybe it has changed, the last time I camped at McKenzie was probably 2004, they used to sit on the ramp and check to see if you had a tribal stamp, think it was $10 or so and if you didn't have a stamp you got a $50 ticket. Pretty sure that's how it was but I could be mis-remembering as far as the requirement for a tribal stamp. Said you needed tribe stamp because you cross tribe land to access the ramp on corps land. Now that it is all tribe land right to the water, I suspect there will be new access fees coming......... could be wrong. I hope I am wrong anyways

So what happens if you don;t pay the tribal $50 ticket?

 

[Skibbys bottom]

Being a native at heart of N.Dak and being born and raised within 10 miles of Lake Sakakawea, I have many, many years of enjoying the VAN HOOK, PARSHALL BAY, SANISH, REUNION BAY, POUCH POINT, ETC... areas. I always enjoy coming to N.Dak. to hunt and fish. The main reason I have not moved back to N.Dak. is that I can't hunt elk year after year (my Passion). As it is I am near enough to visit my family, nephews and nieces, and childhood friends. I always enjoy the fishing experiences, meeting new people and enjoying good ole N.Dak. Being a graduate of NDSUBBIF, and NDSU, I enjoy following football, hockey and other events. I follow UND hockey and now Football as well.

Like everyone else I am appalled at what the COR has done. I hope that they keep the land transfer in public use status otherwise, i'll be extremely disappointed. I wish everyone good will in this thread and hope it turns out for the best!!

 

[Colt45]

Update on the land transfer............

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/sta...cle_284d85df-df66-5688-93e7-c6e90637f574.html

Indian Affairs Deputy Assistant Secretary Lawrence Roberts said the transfer protects existing land uses and recognizes the tribes’ sovereign authority to manage the land.

 

[eyexer]

does the transfer include the mineral rights?

 

[Colt45]

I suspect it would, not sure on that tho