Fishing access fenced off...

[Ericb]

This thread is getting full of material for when the next trespass bill comes up in the legislature..............

So your constantly saying slobs are causing private land to become closed. Now people support an effort to limit destruction on public land and you disagree. The game and fish has done a great job in making plenty of handicap accessible fishing docks all over the state. Maybe you should take your budy to one someday.

You seem to like the idle threat of the trespass bill these days... Makes me want to stay away from ND raised beef.

 

[gst]

gst is getting moist just thinking about the trouble he can cause on future threads - truly bizarre psychology

oops, almost forgot

ah come on guy why not just stop an admit if it is people who are causing the federal govt to close access to PUBLIC lands which these people own..............why would it be a stretch to admit it is these same people or types that are responsible for private lands being closed to access?

I mean wouldn;t that actually make sense?

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So your constantly saying slobs are causing private land to become closed. Now people support an effort to limit destruction on public land and you disagree. The game and fish has done a great job in making plenty of handicap accessible fishing docks all over the state. Maybe you should take your budy to one someday.

You seem to like the idle threat of the trespass bill these days... Makes me want to stay away from ND raised beef.

Where have I disagreed that slobs are the reason the corp is putting up fence making access more difficult?

The NDG&F are not the CORP.

I actively opposed the last trespass bill, it was poorly written and would have had many unintended consequences.

The next one will likely be better thought out and presented and with statements such as what sportsmen themselves are saying on here, how would they maintain credibility demanding the govt close or limit access but yet demand private lands not be closed to access state wide?

It might not be as "idle" as you would believe.

If you wish ot miss out on the tasty morsels of ND raised beef out of spite , that is certainly your choice.

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PFFT!!!

what irks me is that back in the day it was one in a thousand were jerks - so it was toleratable levels of a$$hattery

and the violator usually got his a$$ chewed and changed his tune

these days it seems like one in ten and everyone's afraid to call out a violator because of risk of violence/retribution

"People are PIGS. . Post it all!!!! Those that have to work to get access tend to NOT abuse it as it took some personal effort which adds "Value" for people which lends itself to keeping an area clean and enjoyable. Ease of access lends itself to littering, vandalism, and general dumb fluckery."


So if someone stood in front of our legislature and testified with the above statement as to why we need a state trespass bill what answer would you have for them?

Legislators expect a bit more than "PFFT".

 

[KDM]

PFFT!!!!! HaHaHa!!!

 

[BBQBluesMan]

So do you care to elaborate on who is spearheading this round of the trespass bill and why it is such a grand idea this time? Obviously you must know something.

 

[gst]

So do you care to elaborate on who is spearheading this round of the trespass bill and why it is such a grand idea this time? Obviously you must know something.

It is not too smart to share what I do not know at this time as to who will "spearhead" legislation if it occurs to be fact so I will not.

I have not suggested it is a "grand idea" only that it will likely gain more support than last time as it has been discussed in more than a few circles for the last two years.

And once legislators hear reasoning from sportsmen why federal lands should have limited access as we have seen here, how can they deny that the same reasons do not happen and apply on "protecting" private lands as well?

Stop and put petty personal differences aside and try and answer this question in an honest manner.

what irks me is that back in the day it was one in a thousand were jerks - so it was toleratable levels of a$$hattery

and the violator usually got his a$$ chewed and changed his tune

these days it seems like one in ten and everyone's afraid to call out a violator because of risk of violence/retribution

"People are PIGS. . Post it all!!!! Those that have to work to get access tend to NOT abuse it as it took some personal effort which adds "Value" for people which lends itself to keeping an area clean and enjoyable. Ease of access lends itself to littering, vandalism, and general dumb fluckery."


So if someone stood in front of our legislature and testified with the above statement as to why we need a state trespass bill what answer would you have for them?

When that same person shares posts from this site showing support for limiting access to public lands how will you explain that private lands are somehow immune from this very same "littering, vandalism,and general dumb fluckery" and
"asshattery" and should not receive the same consideration from the state?

 

[Ericb]

It is not too smart to share what I do not know at this time as to who will "spearhead" legislation if it occurs to be fact so I will not.

I have not suggested it is a "grand idea" only that it will likely gain more support than last time as it has been discussed in more than a few circles for the last two years.

And once legislators hear reasoning from sportsmen why federal lands should have limited access as we have seen here, how can they deny that the same reasons do not happen and apply on "protecting" private lands as well?

Stop and put petty personal differences aside and try and answer this question in an honest manner.

what irks me is that back in the day it was one in a thousand were jerks - so it was toleratable levels of a$$hattery

and the violator usually got his a$$ chewed and changed his tune

these days it seems like one in ten and everyone's afraid to call out a violator because of risk of violence/retribution

"People are PIGS. . Post it all!!!! Those that have to work to get access tend to NOT abuse it as it took some personal effort which adds "Value" for people which lends itself to keeping an area clean and enjoyable. Ease of access lends itself to littering, vandalism, and general dumb fluckery."


So if someone stood in front of our legislature and testified with the above statement as to why we need a state trespass bill what answer would you have for them?

When that same person shares posts from this site showing support for limiting access to public lands how will you explain that private lands are somehow immune from this very same "littering, vandalism,and general dumb fluckery" and
"asshattery" and should not receive the same consideration from the state?

Ahh..Can't a land owner put up a fence or a sign???

I wonder how Mr. Zenker feels having you as the representative to sportsman? Or anything in general?

 

[gst]

Ahh..Can't a land owner put up a fence or a sign???

I wonder how Mr. Zenker feels having you as the representative to sportsman? Or anything in general?

Indeed they can, but the issue behind the bill is why should they have to to prevent the "a$$hattery" and "littering, vandalism and general dumb fluckery" that occurs?


Who am I a "representative" of EB?

Do you "represent" all sportsmen simply because you post something on an internet site? Does plainsman? Guy who fishes?

I know Warren quite well and he appreciates people that speak the truth.

Would you care to answer these or the simple question I asked at the end of the post you quoted?

The POINT of my comments here are to get those that are advocating making public access to public lands more difficult to stop and think how the comment they make might end up impacting more than what they think.

 

[eyexer]

I think we need a vote on not allowing "renters" to post land. Only land "owners" should be allowed to do this. There needs to be more access not less. There is a lot of stink on the west end of the lake regarding ranchers putting gates across section lines leading down to the lake. This is going to come to a screeching hault I'm told. Especially since it's denying access to shore fishermen. It was a hot topic when the corp heads were here a couple weeks ago.

 

[guywhofishes]

NDA thread comments are considered when state legislators are contemplating new laws?

Holy cow, I need to take advantage of this.

 

[BBQBluesMan]

NDA thread comments are considered when state legislators are contemplating new laws?

Holy cow, I need to take advantage of this.

Yep, comments from a web forum seems like a great way to influence a state law. Wow, I hope that really isn’t going on. I would think our reps are smarter than that.

 

[gst]

NDA thread comments are considered when state legislators are contemplating new laws?

Holy cow, I need to take advantage of this.

Legislator:
"In your testimony you referenced other sportsmens concerns over littering, vandalism, and other issues and that they supported limiting access to public lands as a means to eliminate these actions as a reason why private lands should also be restricted thru the language of this bill, can you explain that a bit better?"


Person giving testimonies:
"Indeed , Chairman Xyzstuv and other committee members , On an outdoors website called North Dakota Angler which has become the states leading website for ND sportsmen allowing a voice for thousands of ND outdoor enthusiasts, a thread relating to the Corps closing and restricting of access to public lands in our state ranging from the Cheyenne Grass lands in the east to the Missourin and Yellowstone river confluences in the west suggest that limiting access is a solution to these issues of littering and vandalism and other actions, certainly a similar response to address the issue on private lands should be supported as well.

Sportsmen on the states leading outdoors website voiced their belief that if people had to work a little bit to gain access they were less likely to engage in these behaviors that those who own and make their living from these lands should not have to deal with when people use them to recreate and as such supported means of limiting access to public lands.

A State law requiring people to simply seek out permission before accessing private lands they wish to recreate on would go a long ways in eliminating those that would abuse the priviledge by engaging in these destructive actions.

If there are no further questions I thank the committee for the opportunity to speak in support of House bill 123 and strongly urge a yes vote"

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Yep, comments from a web forum seems like a great way to influence a state law. Wow, I hope that really isn’t going on. I would think our reps are smarter than that.

Our Representatives are pretty smart for the most part. They are smart enough to appreciate those that take the time to actually show up and be a part of the process of how these bills and subsequent state law are presented and give their testimonies the weight their credibility deserves.

They are smart enough to realize the power of social media sources such as NDA and the opportunities it gives people to voice their opinions.

So why would these legislators not believe that statements such as those i have hi lited are NOT the general feelings of the states sportsmen?

Are you suggesting guys and kdms comments do NOT represent what most ND sportsmen believe?

 

[CAH]

GST are you suggesting that you’re going to go testify?? Seems like you have it all planned out.

 

[gst]

Oh hey guy, when a legislator asks you a question......."derp" is usually not an answer that works well.

Your little video leaves out an important step in the process in the state legislature which is the opportunity for those the bill will impact to testify. You are able to provide written sources to verify your testimonies. Legislators appreciate fact based testimonies and people who speak with credibility.

Personal attacks.......not so much. Just a heads up for you.

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GST are you suggesting that you’re going to go testify?? Seems like you have it all planned out.

I have testified at a number of bills previously and merely shared an example of how someone could credibly involve the mention of what is discussed on the states leading sportsmen website into testimonies, nothing more.

 

[Brian Renville]

I think we need a vote on not allowing "renters" to post land. Only land "owners" should be allowed to do this. There needs to be more access not less. There is a lot of stink on the west end of the lake regarding ranchers putting gates across section lines leading down to the lake. This is going to come to a screeching hault I'm told. Especially since it's denying access to shore fishermen. It was a hot topic when the corp heads were here a couple weeks ago.

Yep I've been hard on the Corps but to be fair this is a big deal as well. Growing up we were always told that it was illegal to block those section lines leading to public land. Not sure it it was actually the rule or not or if it just went unenforced because it happens alot.

 

[gst]

I think we need a vote on not allowing "renters" to post land. Only land "owners" should be allowed to do this. There needs to be more access not less. There is a lot of stink on the west end of the lake regarding ranchers putting gates across section lines leading down to the lake. This is going to come to a screeching hault I'm told. Especially since it's denying access to shore fishermen. It was a hot topic when the corp heads were here a couple weeks ago.

Well the process to create a bill has been shared in a manner designed for grade school education.........

want to bet how hard a state trespass bill would be pushed in response to make your bill moot?

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Yep I've been hard on the Corps but to be fair this is a big deal as well. Growing up we were always told that it was illegal to block those section lines leading to public land. Not sure it it was actually the rule or not or if it just went unenforced because it happens alot.

Unless the procedure set forth to close section lines is followed it is illegal to block a section line.

 

[Brian Renville]

Well the process to create a bill has been shared in a manner designed for grade school education.........

want to bet how hard a state trespass bill would be pushed in response to make your bill moot?

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Unless the procedure set forth to close section lines is followed it is illegal to block a section line.

Just to clarify, "block" probably wasn't the best word. What I was referring to was generally if I see a no tresspassing sign on a gate I stop unless I have an understanding with the owner even if I know the sign carries zero legal weight.

 

[guywhofishes]

gst is clearly out to screw ND sportsmen if he can

 

[gst]

gst is clearly out to screw ND sportsmen if he can

Okay, suggesting that what is posted on here may actually increase the odds of a trespass bill passing is somehow trying to "screw ND sportsmen"???

;:;banghead

Suggesting the G&F work with landowners to have a special hunt to deal with depredation that opens lands likely posted providing an opportunity for those that had not filled their tags is "screwing ND sportsmen"???

;:;banghead

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Just to clarify, "block" probably wasn't the best word. What I was referring to was generally if I see a no tresspassing sign on a gate I stop unless I have an understanding with the owner even if I know the sign carries zero legal weight.

I sure would not put a gate across a section line unless I had gone thru the process of having it legally closed. Good way to lose the ranch when some kid comes flying down it in the dark on a 4 wheeler not to mention having to live with it

 

[guywhofishes]

Your little video leaves out an important step in the process in the state legislature which is the opportunity for those the bill will impact to testify. You are able to provide written sources to verify your testimonies.
I have testified at a number of bills previously and merely shared an example of how someone could credibly involve the mention of what is discussed on the states leading sportsmen website into testimonies, nothing more.

there it is in plain english - you are trolling for written sources to testify in bills against the interest of sportsman

I never would have guessed you’d confess what your true nature is

good to know though - thanks

 

[gst]

there it is in plain english - you are trolling for written sources to testify in bills against the interest of sportsman

I never would have guessed you’d confess what your true nature is

good to know though - thanks

Um........... if I was trolling for idiots to post stupid shit to use to help pass a trespass bill why would I tell people and lay out exactly how it could be done???

;:;banghead

I am merely suggesting idi..errr... people like yourself might want to stop and think before posting things that might help

Your personal dislike is really starting to cloud your common sense guywhoclaimsfarmersarecorporateghouls.