Highway 23 n 83

[NDbowman]

I don't know if we need govt intervention about cell phones, but I will say it is down right scary how many people you notice texting or scolling through their phones while driving. Especially freaky when you meet someone going the opposite direction on a two lane and their messing on their phone and not watching the road.

 

[Allen]

Cellphones are for sure a distraction.

Probably the worst thing I've ever seen though was about 20 years ago on Highway 2 out by Larimore who was reading a damn book placed on her steering wheel. She wasn't even driving the speed limit and was weaving all over the road to the point where I had to get a head of steam before I dared to pass her. If I had a phone back then I would have reported a drunk driver before I passed her. I about died when I saw she was reading a book.

 

[lunkerslayer]

https://www.kxnet.com/news/top-stories/nddot-looking-to-reduce-crashes-at-u-s-83-and-nd-23/amp/
Sounds like the state is going to change 23/83 intersection because some people make poor decisions that effect other drivers. Now 83 drivers will have to slow way down to transition through this roundabout.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Had to google teardrop roundabout, the ones I found were either an overpass or underpass design so it makes sense now.

 

[Davey Crockett]

That would be an expensive project on high ground, Isn't area low and wet ?

 

[lunkerslayer]

Here is the nddot video on how this will work

 

[tikkalover]

How about they just put-up signs that read "Dangerous intersection, PAY FUCKING ATTENTION"

 

[espringers]

so, you've done away with any need to stop on 23? i still don't see this as a solution to a problem of problem drivers. in theory, it should slow down folks on 83 i guess. the merging & cross traffic still look messy to me though. gonna give this some more thought...

 

[lunkerslayer]

Sounds like according to the dot video, the engineers want to keep all new construction within the existing row, this will dramatically reduce the efficiency of another state highway that will cost thousands more to keep these areas clear of ice. Especially those coming from the north on 83 that's a steady decline in elevation.

 

[lunkerslayer]

They had to fix the intersections by Tioga because people are not smart enough to merge into highway traffic, it's like people are getting dumber

 

[risingsun]

This is PROPOSED, and not a done deal. They had a meeting in Max to discuss other ways. Hopefully they listen to the public who was very against any roundabout. You can't fix stupid ass drivers, no matter what you do. Public was wanting to slow down traffic from the west and on 83 in a determined zone. Hopefully they try this first before they do the roundabout.

 

[dschaible]

what happens when a distracted driver hits a round about at full speed? This proposal may actually increase the death count at that intersection.

 

[1bigfokker]

What a cluster fuck. Put in two overpasses with on and off ramps and be done with it people aren't used to roundabouts.

 

[AR-15]

1bigfokker, you got the best answer to this mess

 

[SLE]

This is PROPOSED, and not a done deal......

Sadly they already have certain parts of this project out for RFP which means they are moving forward. Unless they get major major backlash, we'll have a round about on highway 83.........I hope people are paying attention. It's ridiculous they held the meeting in Max to start with. There was no doubt that was done purposeful to detour attendance. It should've been in Minot, and frankly they should have another in Bismarck.

Also, every public input meeting I've ever been part of provides options or alternatives. There were not any other options or alternatives presented. The meeting in Max was more of a public information meeting, not a public input meeting.

I personally think it's an absolute abomination, knee jerk reaction by the NDDOT, and a terrible idea. I'd rather see them force traffic into right hand movements only with J turns a mile down the road before this ridiculousness and I don't think that's a good idea either. Slowing speed down works in towns when you have structures and other things close to the road. it becomes a natural comfort level barrier. When you don't, traffic will move at whatever speed they are comfortable driving. It's called the rule of 85.

You can set any damn arbitrary speed limit you want, but if it is or isn't comfortable to drive that speed, traffic will not drive at that posted speed. For instance, you could set the speed limit at 75 down Broadway in Minot, 85% of the traffic will drive with 10 mph of what a comfortable speed is, traffic congestion dependent which is probably between 30-40 mph. this is based on reaction times, sight distances, roadway design and a number of other factors. you could set highway 83 at 25 mph from minot to bismarck, without continual enforcement, no one would follow it.

Bottom line, they are making a big part of this design decision based on cost while the State has full coffers. On top of that, with this being a saftey improvemnt, I believe the state will get federal funding of up to 90%. This intersection was #1 on the states saftey improvement list and this is what they came up with, pretty unbelievable. The only reason an overpass isn't being looked at is cost, everyone recognizes that's the proper and most effective solution. of course the cost is high becuase there are a number of diffuculties that would need to be handled to construct an overpass. most of it being redtape.......................

 

[Davey Crockett]

I suppose a double overpass would require two stop lights for left turns ?

 

[SLE]

What a cluster fuck. Put in two overpasses with on and off ramps and be done with it people aren't used to roundabouts.

If you going to fix this issue, then fix it. Bring the highway 83 together and put in a single overpass and be done. Lets at least try and limit some expense and future maintenance and replacement costs............

 

[eyexer]

Put as single overpass with 23 going over top and on and off ramps. Couldn’t be much more expensive than this conglomeration. Every intersection on interstate is like that

 

[risingsun]

Also, every public input meeting I've ever been part of provides options or alternatives. There were not any other options or alternatives presented. The meeting in Max was more of a public information meeting, not a public input meeting.

Did you attend the meeting?

 

[risingsun]

Put as single overpass with 23 going over top and on and off ramps. Couldn’t be much more expensive than this conglomeration. Every intersection on interstate is like that

estimated 16 million for the roundabout and between 50 and 60 million for overpass