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Eatsleeptrap

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Nothing has changed. An officer or senior NCO sends young men into harms way. They get the Bronze Star and the guys actually in the minefield get an atta boy downgraded to a pat on the back. They can do whatever they want at times discipline wise, to the point of ruining an 18 year old kids future for completely stupid shit. The big green weenie is always looking for a nice warm place to go.
 


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I had intended to maybe tell another story but what i did tell is enough.
Just never had a former Vietnam vet to talk to about things so i am glad that this site will allow me and thanks to all who wrote back. I am only one of a few thousand with a story. I am glad that vet service officer ask me to write a story. Some of your comments hit home bigtime.

I am proud to have serve and to have serve in Nam.
The 22 months I serve in the Army taught me a lot. The experience that being there has mature me and a understanding of life. There were over 58000 vets who die over there, and I am glad I was not one of them. Many more got screwed up.

In 1968 there was a village name My Lai and a Lt Calley. He had 100 troops under him. They told him the village was full of vc there and to take care of it. He died last year at the age of 80.

If you read that, then read a story taking place in December of 1890. The place was Wounded Knee.
Similar stories with a different ending. War is hell and it is hard for me to understand why a soldier would do what they did at both. Hate must have run beyond reason. But I was not there at either so only know what I have read,

But again, I am glad I was able to serve and reach out on here. db-2
 

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Glad you made out alive db. Still can't fathom giving medals to the soldiers at Wounded Knee.
 


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I was a section chief on a 107-howitzer shooting a 175 mm bullet. We shot every single day and most of the time around 200 rounds. Firing rate of about 20 rounds per hour. Most of the shooting was at night. 99% of those rounds I had no idea what we were shooting at. They shot rockets, mortars and small arm back at us but nowhere as often. And for some it was not good.

About twice a month we would get an inspection by someone from the rear. They had sat up gun 1 as the place to inspect but one day a E-7 said they were going to come to my gun. I told the troops about this. Mention that they all should shave and dress in decent cloths for the inspections.

Morning came. I look over my troops. A few forgot to shave and for some they found the worse cloths to wear. I told them looking good, mighty fine. Reported to the one-star general. Said my gunner, a Corporal Gannon will take you around the gun.

At some point the General told Gannon we need to store our ammo different. The corporal said we try that, and it did not work, and he was right. It appears, the General was not going to have a corporal tell him that and for some reason my corporal would not give up on it.
After a bit, I did step in between them to move the inspection along. Should have push the ignore button. But then the General said some things about my Corporal. The words maybe were not that bad, but he started to laugh and so did the E-7.

No way was I going to leave that as it was. the inspection was over, and they were to leave. Gatter my troops, call them to attention and then dismiss. Left the E-7 and General to play with themselves.

That afternoon the battery clerk came and told me to report to the command bunker and bring my M-16 with me. About 5 higher ranking than what i was. They took my M-16 from me, relieve me of my command and then took my R&R away. Had $600 and was on my way to Bangkok. A guy told me who had gone there what $600 would get me. For the moment that became only a vision.

And then they got on me like a whip dog in a corner. After a few minutes that it was enough for me and i got up to leave. A new boot LT holler at me, as I was leaving, to spit shine my boots by evening. Glad he said that as all the angry I was storing in my body left. Where the hell was I to find a can of shoe polish out here.

The next day the clerk came and seen me. Said they were talking about giving me the rank of private, a dishonorable discharge for in subornation in a war zone, Silly me i thought we were in a conflict not a war. And he said they did mention Leavenworth. Maybe i would have Peltier as a cell mate.
And for what. I did voluntary for the draft and for Vietnam. A few weeks before this the captain call a formation of all the troops and pin a medal with a green ribbon on it on me. At the time meant nothing to me as I had no idea why.

I thought. First concern was how I could still get my R&R, then the disgrace I will bring to my family if this happens. For me, for lack of a better word and the seriousness of this (58,000 some had died) this whole thing had no honor, and no way could we win. dB
Alot of people say we couldnt win..but didnt we? I always thought we were trying to stop the spread of communism..which vietnam war did do, i woukd say it was a win but at a huge cost.
 

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A great quote from Eisenhower:
"War is mankind's most tragic and stupid folly; to seek or advise its deliberate provocation is a black crime against all men. Though you follow the trade of the warrior, you do so in the spirit of Washington -- not of Genghis Khan. For Americans, only threat to our way of life justifies resort to conflict."
 

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Nothing has changed. An officer or senior NCO sends young men into harms way. They get the Bronze Star and the guys actually in the minefield get an atta boy downgraded to a pat on the back. They can do whatever they want at times discipline wise, to the point of ruining an 18 year old kids future for completely stupid shit. The big green weenie is always looking for a nice warm place to go.
FWIW: I made E7 with six whole medal points (3 Achievement Medals). They're special to me as someone else wrote them.

That is all.
 

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When the north took over the south, I assume it became a communism state and not sure but maybe some of the other countries where communism also. And I was told the same thing, that the goal was to stop the spread of communism.

On that hilltop the army had four guns, the marines next door had four guns and then the ARVN had the other half with 105 and 155 guns. Maybe about 4-6 acres.

In time it was obvious that the south would not remain and only a matter of time being when we left, they would fall. I do not believe they could be a free country like we were. They needed a government that would take care of them and their goal was to only stay alive and be left alone with their water buffalo. Hell, they did not feed their troops even and they were on their own for food.

Nixon was bringing the troop home due to public opinion and they had to know this was a waste to be there as the goal could not be reach and all that was being accomplish was killing. Time to leave. And for a lot of us that was hard to take in view of what happen to us in the past, while we were there. We should of know that the goal was not reachable. The price was too high. In hindsight we should have never been there. But with the draft LBJ had an unlimited supply of young men and women.

But we did the best that we were trained to do. It just was costing us to much for something that could not be. db
 


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If Nixon won't have beaten McGovern. The war/conflict would have kept going. LBJ was just seen $ signs has long as it kept going.
 

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I have heard they are enjoyable but no I have not.

What if we never went.

For me personally:
How the military could take a bunch of men from all walks of life and in only 8 weeks mode them into a well oil machine with leaders from within. Basic training.

And then in AIt, another 8 weeks, for me on how to shoot an artillery gun and take care of it. A skill that I have use a number of times in civilian life. Also, additional training on how to be a leader. This part was good for me.

And then for me, an additional 8 months of NCO schooling. Where I learn more about shooting the guns. But a lot a training also on how to be a leader as an E-5 Sargent with some classes on how to survive in Vietnam. (duck when the bullets come). Skills on now to lead men in combat.

But mainly as measure- it said in post 33.

I would think our leaders would have found another place for the troops to spend time at anyways. The draft was there for the taking. db
 


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