OPEC wins

[Ponyroper]

John I am afraid I'm going to give myself away as a really old guy. When I was at NDSU the expensive station on the south side of campus (not there now) had gas at 24 pennies a gallon.

Ghost, I must be a couple years older than you. I remember filling my pickup in the midst of a gas war for $.19 a gallon at a station on University Drive. I think the name of the station was Bjornsons or something like that. They were known for being the most aggressive pricer during the wars in the early seventies. Haven't ever seen any competition like that in Bis-Man.

 

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Ghost, I must be a couple years older than you. I remember filling my pickup in the midst of a gas war for $.19 a gallon at a station on University Drive. I think the name of the station was Bjornsons or something like that. They were known for being the most aggressive pricer during the wars in the early seventies. Haven't ever seen any competition like that in Bis-Man.

They make it a point to not have competition.

 

[WormWiggler]

The shale is 10 to 12 thousand feet, how much water can there be down that deep that wasn't pumped into the well during fracing?

I worked in NM for 5 months for Pan American Petroleum in '68, but that was a natural gas field, not oil. There were 2 tanks at each well head - one for "drip" or condensate and one at the FWKO for water. I just knew that they were serviced by tanker trucks, but I didn't work there long enough to know how the water was disposed before Uncle Sam/Army came calling and I never went back after.

SWD disposals in ND inject into the Dakota Sands formation at roughly 5000'. Most oil companies have their own disposals and many pipeline the SW straight to the disposal. Some disposal cost can be as high as 60 per bbls but that is contaminated gunk and amount to a small percentage of all disposed fluids. When a well is flowing back right after a frac the fluid is generally taken to a "public" disposal and the cost would be higher than putting it down your own disposal. They do this because it is fresh and dirty. which is hard on a disposal and you don't want it in your own disposal.

 

[Davy Crockett]

The shale is 10 to 12 thousand feet, how much water can there be down that deep that wasn't pumped into the well during fracing?

I worked in NM for 5 months for Pan American Petroleum in '68, but that was a natural gas field, not oil. There were 2 tanks at each well head - one for "drip" or condensate and one at the FWKO for water. I just knew that they were serviced by tanker trucks, but I didn't work there long enough to know how the water was disposed before Uncle Sam/Army came calling and I never went back after.

It's like an ocean down there, Some of the Bakken wells are making over 2000 Bbl SW a day. That's the high end but if I had to guess i'd say the average for all the horizontal wells in the williston basin would be close to 1000 Bbl of salt water a day.

 

[WormWiggler]

The older the well the less SW it makes, along with less oil. I have been on older wells making 10 bbls oil and 100 water. And on wells making 40 oil and 5 water. Bigger concern to me is all the Fresh Water used, they frac with it and then treat the well with it. After it has been loaded it is essentially classified as non fresh water and disposed of in SW disposals. Once it goes in an SWD, it aint ever coming back. When you flush your toilet or water your lawn, that watet makes it way in a cycle to be used again. When people say the industry uses FW it should really say destroys FW.

 

[NodakBuckeye]

Just planning ahead for global warming and all the ice melting, want to make sure Al Gore doesn't have to put any of his beach houses up on stilts.

 

[Davy Crockett]

I agree worm wiggler , I don't understand why they can't use light SW for fracking. Some of that production water has low salt content .

 

[lunkerslayer]

Kind of bums me out, I was hoping to eventually get my resident oil royalty check like the Alaska residents get. Sad
Oh well I guess I will have to keep my job for now, half full my cup is half full:;:thumbsup

 

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with the amount of money involved in the oil business, a 1000 mile pipeline from the atlantic ocean carrying salt water the to fields would be a drop in the bucket. unrealistic i know. but, i hate the idea of fresh water being put a mile deep in the ground. that reminds me... i need to start another topic on water.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Kind of bums me out, I was hoping to eventually get my resident oil royalty check like the Alaska residents get. Sad
Oh well I guess I will have to keep my job for now, half full my cup is half full:;:thumbsup

Careful what you wish for, interesting things could happen once this bottoms out.
Not much is mentioned about the fact almost half of the oil we use today is imported, I think we should enjoy the cheap oil and import as much as we can at these prices rather than to tell our suppliers to raise the price. Start bombing oil wells and we could be begging Canada for that tar and paying European gas prices in no time , My half cups worth. Probably just a conspiracy theory that is impossible. But then again , Two years ago it was said that it was impossible for this boom to ever fizzle out.

FWIW, It was Trump who said he will bomb the hell out of oil wells in his fight against ISIS

 

[lunkerslayer]

with the amount of money involved in the oil business, a 1000 mile pipeline from the atlantic ocean carrying salt water the to fields would be a drop in the bucket. unrealistic i know. but, i hate the idea of fresh water being put a mile deep in the ground. that reminds me... i need to start another topic on water.

Espringers for president in 2016, say No to using freshwater. Say yes to more topics on water.


Also it's OK to use up all the middle east oil more for us down the road. We have the technology to drill anywhere at anytime. Just have to give the EPA their walking papers. I read on the other site that someone stated that unless we can build more refineries to produce our own fuels instead of pumping to some other country and there are wells in Oklahoma that have been capped off becuase the lack of refineries.

 

[eyexer]

What all is covered by LOE ? I've heard SW disposal can be as high as $ 15 Bbl, Is there any truth to that ?

no SW disposal is nowhere near $15 a barrel. LOE expense includes SW disposal, lease operator wages and beni's, site and well maintenance, fresh water injection, work over rig work, worn out pumps, tubing, etc. every cost to pull the oil out of the ground once the well comes on line throughout the life of the well.

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The shale is 10 to 12 thousand feet, how much water can there be down that deep that wasn't pumped into the well during fracing?

I worked in NM for 5 months for Pan American Petroleum in '68, but that was a natural gas field, not oil. There were 2 tanks at each well head - one for "drip" or condensate and one at the FWKO for water. I just knew that they were serviced by tanker trucks, but I didn't work there long enough to know how the water was disposed before Uncle Sam/Army came calling and I never went back after.

A shit pile. I have wells that a many years past fracing and still kicking out 100 barrels plus a day

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I agree worm wiggler , I don't understand why they can't use light SW for fracking. Some of that production water has low salt content .

Not much low salinity salt water here. 1.200 is pretty normal unless treated with freshwater. Some wells don't need any. I have a couple wells that don't get fw and they are at 1.200 daily. I have some that will be at 1.220 in 24 hours if you dont put down freshwater. Some wells get as low as 5 bbls a day and I have some that need upwards of 60-70 to maintain proper salinity.

 

[johnr]

Wind energy is where its at.

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The Dutch of course already knew this

 

[lunkerslayer]

Kern River Oil field in California 8000 wells 10 barrels per well Oh my Goodness

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Tar Sands Alberta Canada

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Alberta Tar sands


http://www.timetobreak.com/1829011/...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=YahooUSDesktop

I believe this is the reason why we have an EPA for keeping big oil companies in check

 

[eyexer]

canada has far more stringent standards than we do in most everything

 

[NodakBuckeye]

canada has far more stringent standards than we do in most everything

Yup! A picture is worth a 1000 words but leaves out 10,000 unspoken words because it is never the full story. Just another way to spin something, most of the time.

 

[lunkerslayer]

canada has far more stringent standards than we do in most everything

Come on eye, kind of have to admit those pictures would make anyone drop their jaw if they seen it up close. Eye did you click on the link and look at the other pictures. The city in India where there are 30,000 people per square mile? Amazing pictures

 

[eyexer]

Come on eye, kind of have to admit those pictures would make anyone drop their jaw if they seen it up close. Eye did you click on the link and look at the other pictures. The city in India where there are 30,000 people per square mile? Amazing pictures

no I didn't click on the link. I was referencing Canada. They have more stringent standards in nearly everything thanks do in the U.S.