SB2137

[wct12]

Respectfully, I think that’s an overly simplified perspective. I haven’t talked to a deer ecologist yet that would tell anyone that long term deer populations need supplemental feeding to prosper over the long term. There are other more important factors driving populations, things that are more sustainable and lead to better ecological outcomes for the land and wildlife.



Sounds like they need more quality habitat.



I agree with what’s quoted there 100%.


I can understand your frustration…….believe me.



That is not logical. Habitat improvement and certain disease management strategies are far more sustainable, responsible, and beneficial to wildlife and the landscape long term. With less risk of negative side affects like acidosis, unbalanced carrying capacities in terms of food:cover ratios, other species disturbances or even the fact that good habitat usually means more wetlands, better erosion protection, healthier soils, better ground water systems, and more diverse systems conducive to producing and maintaining resilient populations. These aren’t pets or domesticated livestock.


I’m focused on many things. Hence the multiple legislative issues were involved in, the travel management plan in the Grasslands, public land transfers, etc.

Sask has been heavily affected by CWD. And truthfully, I don’t mean this to come off as snarky, but saying it hasn’t is either a willful denial of the truth or being dishonest. There are many accounts of Sask hunters voicing impacts in certain areas, deer numbers and buck quality. WY and CO have seen significant impacts as well. Arkansas has recorded impacts. The Wisconsin study will be published in the near future, more gps collared deer dead from CWD. Lots of them die from pneumonia at or near clinical end stage disease. They leak saliva into their own lungs because they can’t swallow correctly or control their cud. Something that would likely not have happened if they didn’t have a neurological disease that is 100% fatal. 100% as in, no animal, humans included, has ever been documented to have recovered from or survived a prion disease. Ever.

But I would agree that hard winters are likely hard on CWD+ deer. Another reason we want to keep prevalence low.


I’m using data from GPS collar work, published and repeatable research, evidence, facts. They might not have all the answers, and mistakes happen or things don’t always turn out how they were intended. That’s just working with wild animal populations.

I’m operating in reality. I would argue many, not all, but a good portion of your group are not thinking straight on this issue. I don’t mean to say that in a way that is laughing at you or degrading any of you.

I don’t mean this to sound harsh either, it’s not intended to be. CWD is here. We can either choose to do the right thing for the resource and do what we can to make responsible decisions with positive impacts as a collective. Or we can wallow in denialism about the truth that sits right in front of us. But we can make a difference.

If we had it our way we would like to ban baiting, and feeding, in units where CWD is found. I’d like to keep pressure on the 2 units we have it the worst in. I know it sucks, but I think it’s still making a difference. It might get to a point where it’s not making as big of an impact, certainly. But I think since we got on it early and have stayed on it, it’s helped. I’d like to increase financial help for landowners to put up hay yard fencing and/or reasonably adjust their cattle or farming operations to allow for some preventative measures to be put in place that would prevent deer from yarding up over food sources. Won’t be perfect, but we can make a difference.

Even If those actions can only buy us another 20 years of low prevalence in most of the state. I think that is absolutely the best avenue to pursue. Far better than just throwing in the towel after 15 years.

Some of the wildlife health folks I talk to says they’re working on a sort of vaccine. It’s not really a “vaccine” per se, more of a PrP down regulator. But they say results are promising, but that also doesn’t mean 6 months from now. They’ll test it more and these studies take time because of the long pathogenesis of the disease.



Sounds like we need better habitat. Again, lots of those deer that die in those winters die from acidosis. GF has seen some instances of over 30% acidosis mortality in localized areas, that’s during and after hard winters. Likely higher, because they’ll just stop checking to confirm after so many.

Which is funny in some sense, and you might appreciate this. Because at this stage in CWD prevalence in ND, again prevalence is low, I would say it’s likely acidosis from human feeding has killed more deer than CWD at this point. How ironic is that? Makes me kind of chuckle. I thought you might get a kick out of that too.


Habitat would go a long way.

sorry for the late response, i was sitting at a pheasant clubs sportsmen’s banquet where we discussed increasing habitat, supplemental feeding and whatever can do better to increase birds numbers.. but yes, habitat habitat habitat.. the same thing I said the department you adore so much has tried to tirelessly fix but has come up basically empty in the last 15 years would make all the difference but has struck out more times then if they were facing Nolan Ryan.. (get it, he’s the MLB strike out leader)

Sorry.. I forgot to mention nutrition levels are essential no matter the wildlife species from birds to kangaroos to North Dakota’s deer herd. Nutrition and maintaining it is an oversimplified perspective. A healthy herd is a good herd! I’m glad you take the same stance as the department though.. important driving factors like habitat are more important to ecological outcomes then supplemental feed.. it’s just to bad the department hasn’t made any head way on either yet despite all their best efforts.

Oh yes, let’s not forget.. habitat habitat habitat! If I could get every other land owner to not burn sloughs, plant tree rows and leave grass buffer strips and old yards I would be the first one in line to help and provide money.. but instead statewide it isn’t going to happen so I do what I can with the land I can and run from there.

You keep mentioning acidosis.. it’s almost like you think all these big game biologist that the state employ aren’t able to make a sound, data driven decision (if so welcome to our side!). If a big game biologist isn’t able to battle acidosis through a beneficial supplemental feeding program it’s almost like the letters behind their name are meaningless.. (don’t worry, I can help if you would like, I had a few nutrition and animal health classes in college)

Also sorry I forgot.. your an activist for wildlife though the legislature, just like you curse me for being! Darn someone for trying to follow the state constitution and preserve it for the people and manage it through LAW and regulation for the public good (80% in favor of the bill your battling to kill) especially after the legislature twice granted me the right to do it.

I like your studies you post with tracking collar info.. the 9 year old doe that’s like turning an 80 year old with worn down teeth lose in the woods and hoping for the best.. or the 3 year old buck that got killed by coyotes (not CWD killed if a predator takes care of em and the rear end is all bloody) which is essentially the same as dumping an 18 year old into the wolf pen at a zoo and then saying covid killed em because they tested positive after the pack killed em..

Awe yes.. 30% acidosis again.. seems like someone with a PhD in wildlife management would be able to come up with a nutrition plan to offset that, but maybe you need a lowly rancher/land owner to help out with that.. the department is the experts Brock, they can do no wrong, just listen, follow mandates and everything will be just fine. 2 weeks to stop the spread, or maybe 15 years if we don’t lose 200% of our deer herd again! (Makes me kind of chuckle also, maybe you will get a chuckle out the department costing sportsmen opportunities, because I sure don’t)

Would a vaccine be awesome, sure.. but it’s not quite as feasible as hoping for resistant genes (you’ve said so yourself on a vaccine or redid that genes working) which were possibly present in that Williston herd the department slaughtered (culling works super well.. if I have 100 deer and 5 are positive (I can’t tell which ones are because it takes YEARS for it to show clinical signs) and I kill 50 with 1 being positive, I now have 8% positives instead of 5% positives, but the department killed 50+ (they couldn’t tell fawns from adult does) so they just kept blasting). “Experts” say culling in a wild herd can’t help determine genetics.. but departments like to think it can help prevalence rates.

And awe yes, I’m glad you’ll listen to landowners/sportsmen in Sask, instead of the ones in your home state, that say they’ve lost buck quality/deer numbers.. (what have tag numbers done in those hunting units with high prevalence rates, and what do increased buck licenses and overall license numbers do to buck quality and deer herd numbers.. (if I give out double the buck tags and double overall tag numbers it’s almost like there will be less deer in general and more bucks taken (some of these might even be trophy quality.. take 3f2 and deer numbers and quality for example..))

I’m also glad to know you would be in favor of banning feeding in units with CWD positives and relatively low prevalence rates.. you know, since that’s against what the state legislature has granted the people of North Dakota twice.. it’s almost like bureaucratic over reach is back country hunters and anglers forte with the whole Land Tawney/sportsmen for Obama second amendment infringements.

 

[wct12]

I’ve said before, 2023 ND whitetail population was 150,000. Quick math on the conservative side to figure out feed needed is 5% body weight, 125 lb average deer, we’re taking almost a million pounds of supplemental feed needed every day. And that’s not including mule deer. Who pays for that? And is the population not allowed to ebb and flow like nature always has? It needs to stay static or increase or you accuse of GF of not doing their job and taking from sportsmen.

You seem like the type that would whine if your ice cream was cold.

Also, at what point do we as landowners own part of the blame? Draining / tiling, burning sloughs, clearing trees, plowing to dust. All the food in the world can’t save deer when there’s nowhere to live.

You edited your post so I missed the last paragraph in my response.. landowners and the federal government hold a decent chunk of the blame. The few acres they gain burning sloughs, tearing out yards and tree rows and working ground black are extremely detrimental to our wildlife.. But since it’s private land.. I don’t have any say over what they do, nor can I make changes on that. It’s private land, they can do as they so choose.

I did work a couple grass sloughs down this fall.. but I did not throw 1 match in a single cattail slough even if I though I could farm through some of the in the spring. I have never tore out a single tree row (have more miles of tree rows planted then I can count on both hands with plans to put a 20ish acre tree grove in in the next year or 2) and never worked a field black after harvest, even where I plan on planting corn next year.

Farming practices are moving forward. With the increased acres of corn and beans there will only be more of those farming practices that take place.. it’s just something the department will have to live with and audible to unfortunately. I don’t foresee North Dakota ever getting close to touching the old soil bank/crp days.

 

[riverview]

is the whole farm bureau board commenting on here now??

 

[wslayer]

Question : Tree row removal. How much extra, if you take that row out (say 1/2 mile), would you actually make if for example planted to corn? Estimate? I realize wildlife does not "live" in these tree rows, but could supply them some protection while out feeding. There is nothing out there anymore on the landscape to even slow down the winds /blowing snow etc. I know with today's bigger equipment, its hard to get around the ends of rows, but just take out a few at the end, not the whole row. Tiling, well there goes the end of any sloughs they have for thermal protection.. They don't stand a chance anymore. Pasture land with hills and valleys seems to be their only refuge anymore.
Deer hunting this year, we saw very few deer in cropland areas compared to pastureland.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Four days

Enter written testimony:

https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/69-202...s/bh2137.html?bill_year=2025&bill_number=2137

DATE	TIME	HEARING TYPE	COMMITTEE	ROOM	DESCRIPTION
01/17	10:20 AM	Bill Hearing	Senate Agriculture and Veterans Affairs	Fort Union	The use of supplemental feed for hunting.	Submit Testimony

Click on Submit Testimony. Follow the prompts.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Question : Tree row removal. How much extra, if you take that row out (say 1/2 mile), would you actually make if for example planted to corn? Estimate? I realize wildlife does not "live" in these tree rows, but could supply them some protection while out feeding. There is nothing out there anymore on the landscape to even slow down the winds /blowing snow etc. I know with today's bigger equipment, its hard to get around the ends of rows, but just take out a few at the end, not the whole row. Tiling, well there goes the end of any sloughs they have for thermal protection.. They don't stand a chance anymore. Pasture land with hills and valleys seems to be their only refuge anymore.
Deer hunting this year, we saw very few deer in cropland areas compared to pastureland.

Im not a farmer so I can’t tell you for certain but Ive heard it’s more than just the acreage the trees are on. When the trees get taller it can shade one side and cause lower yields on the areas not getting full sun. So instead of the 20ft row you arent making money on it’s also impacting 40-60ft into your crop. It also takes longer to get the snow off especially in big snow years when they’re are 10’ drifts on the back side this shortens your planting window. And also the multiple branches and debris that get run through equipment yearly. So there’s some good reasons for taking them out. I don’t like it either and honestly a lot of farmers dont either but I know if a lot of us were in the same situation it would be a tough choice as well. We need a program that takes marginal acres out of production. CRP won’t do it. It needs to be an all of the above type program that pays to keep cattails/trees and grass in. Crp doesn’t pay for trees or willow type areas. It’s really hard to blame anyone for not wanting 30/acre when you can get 150+ cash rent anymore.

 

[wslayer]

Im not a farmer so I can’t tell you for certain but Ive heard it’s more than just the acreage the trees are on. When the trees get taller it can shade one side and cause lower yields on the areas not getting full sun. So instead of the 20ft row you arent making money on it’s also impacting 40-60ft into your crop. It also takes longer to get the snow off especially in big snow years when they’re are 10’ drifts on the back side this shortens your planting window. And also the multiple branches and debris that get run through equipment yearly. So there’s some good reasons for taking them out. I don’t like it either and honestly a lot of farmers dont either but I know if a lot of us were in the same situation it would be a tough choice as well. We need a program that takes marginal acres out of production. CRP won’t do it. It needs to be an all of the above type program that pays to keep cattails/trees and grass in. Crp doesn’t pay for trees or willow type areas. It’s really hard to blame anyone for not wanting 30/acre when you can get 150+ cash rent Anymore.

Gotcha, it just sucks though.

 

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[riverview]

no wildlife can survive in a black desert; I've had a few farmers tell me they have never made any money planting trees.

 

[Trip McNeely]

no wildlife can survive in a black desert; I've had a few farmers tell me they have never made any money planting trees.

Which is true…. Unless they plant marijuana trees but Ive heard them also complain about farming in circles on wet years or having the crop under 4” of water all summer. Most I know dobt love burying their tractors trying to get a couple of extra acres of 13 bushel wheat around sloughs either. Or turning over cattails to get a good soaker on it the next week. We need a program that incentivizes to leave that ground. Pay them enough per acre on it that the effort of draining, plowing, burning and farming in circles isnt worth it when the payments are a bit better. A large sweeping crp program seems unlikely. Why not a program that targets smaller parcels or acres, pays a bit more and strategically uses existing non farmable areas. Such as buffers around wetlands or squaring off irregular sloughs. 5-10-30 acres at a time. Let the farmers spend their time on the productive ground. Not as ideal as giant chunks of habitat but it’s better than nothing.

 

[ndlongshot]

Such as buffers around wetlands or squaring off irregular sloughs. 5-10-30 acres at a time. Let the farmers spend their time on the productive ground. Not as ideal as giant chunks of habitat but it’s better than nothing.

Enforcement of this is next to impossible. Survey and staking every wetland boundary to protect against over farming would blow any budget.

Love the idea, i'm with ya...but executing would have logistical issues. Alot easier to look at a quarter of CRP and confirm its grass side up.

 

[BrockW]

What’s funny about this is that the North Dakota Game And Fish has taken $265,000 in total, of federal money for CWD. None of which was tied to positive tests and all of which was to help with media, marketing, and educational campaigns. I would argue they took that money because of a lot of you knuckleheads spreading disinformation.

But then to turn around and claim its the only reason they’re saying this disease is a concern is because of money. Well, let’s run the math.

Their bienniel budget is around $100 million. About 30 million of that is just for the plots program. But you CWD deniers think that $265,000 or approximately .02% of their budget is why they’re doing this? That’s why they’re putting up with you guys attacking them and making fun of them all over social media. All for .02% of their budget.

Huh…

 

[riverview]

im pretty sure there are or was programs for buffer zones of grass and tree cost sharing but when your competing against crop production profits and the govt moneys it would take a lot per acre to compete.

 

[johnr]

Yup, it starts with .02%,.. incrementalism at its finest.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

What’s funny about this is that the North Dakota Game And Fish has taken $265,000 in total, of federal money for CWD. None of which was tied to positive tests and all of which was to help with media, marketing, and educational campaigns. I would argue they took that money because of a lot of you knuckleheads spreading disinformation.

But then to turn around and claim its the only reason they’re saying this disease is a concern is because of money. Well, let’s run the math.

Their bienniel budget is around $100 million. About 30 million of that is just for the plots program. But you CWD deniers think that $265,000 or approximately .02% of their budget is why they’re doing this? That’s why they’re putting up with you guys attacking them and making fun of them all over social media. All for .02% of their budget.

Huh…

50,000 deer in have been tested over the years in ND.
$919,612 from ND sportsmen license fees (some of this could be Pitt-Robertson)
$614,686 federal grants
Total for testing $1,534,298 (these numbers are from the gnf)

The $265,000 Brock mentions was federal grant money through USDA for Human Dimensions. A study of sportsmen behaviors.

The Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies is looking for dedicated funding. Grants are not always available. They are talking about a CWD Stamp. Kind of works like a Habitat Stamp. Get a deer license you will also have to buy a CWD Stamp to help fund the programs.

If you don't support your sportsmen dollars or stamps being used for tests that are not 100% conclusive, then support this Bill. It's new.

https://ndlegis.gov/assembly/69-2025/regular/documents/25-0460-01000.pdf

 

[BrockW]

This gibberish sounds so much like GST it’s absurd.

Oh yes, let’s not forget.. habitat habitat habitat! If I could get every other land owner to not burn sloughs, plant tree rows and leave grass buffer strips and old yards I would be the first one in line to help and provide money..

I think burning dried up sloughs is fine. It’s the drain tile that’s hard on em. If you burn em, then farm over em until a wet cycle fills em back up, to my understanding there’s not really a problem with that. Wetland will comeback when the water does. Drain tile is a permanent delete button. Perhaps that’s a generalization but that’s my impression.

You keep mentioning acidosis.. it’s almost like you think all these big game biologist that the state employ aren’t able to make a sound, data driven decision (if so welcome to our side!). If a big game biologist isn’t able to battle acidosis through a beneficial supplemental feeding program it’s almost like the letters behind their name are meaningless.. (don’t worry, I can help if you would like, I had a few nutrition and animal health classes in college)

Well you haven’t figured it out either apparently. Your post from HT. I guess you failed that animal health class.

Darn someone for trying to follow the state constitution and preserve it for the people and manage it through LAW and regulation for the public good (80% in favor of the bill your battling to kill) especially after the legislature twice granted me the right to do it.

right? I don’t know if that’s a right there’s no law in century code.

And apparently, at least as of 2023, they changed their mind.

I like your studies you post with tracking collar info.. the 9 year old doe that’s like turning an 80 year old with worn down teeth lose in the woods and hoping for the best.. or the 3 year old buck that got killed by coyotes (not CWD killed if a predator takes care of em and the rear end is all bloody) which is essentially the same as dumping an 18 year old into the wolf pen at a zoo and then saying covid killed em because they tested positive after the pack killed em..

I suppose you’ll tell me this is a 8 yr old bull too…

Awe yes.. 30% acidosis again.. seems like someone with a PhD in wildlife management would be able to come up with a nutrition plan to offset that, but maybe you need a lowly rancher/land owner to help out with that.. the department is the experts Brock, they can do no wrong, just listen,

Would a vaccine be awesome, sure.. but it’s not quite as feasible as hoping for resistant genes (you’ve said so yourself on a vaccine or redid that genes working) which were possibly present in that Williston herd the department slaughtered (culling works super well.. if I have 100 deer and 5 are positive (I can’t tell which ones are because it takes YEARS for it to show clinical signs) and I kill 50 with 1 being positive, I now have 8% positives instead of 5% positives, but the department killed 50+ (they couldn’t tell fawns from adult does) so they just kept blasting). “Experts” say culling in a wild herd can’t help determine genetics.. but departments like to think it can help prevalence rates.

I agree a vaccine presents additional challenges. But I don’t think the genetics thing is the solution either. At least not at this point.

And awe yes, I’m glad you’ll listen to landowners/sportsmen in Sask, instead of the ones in your home state, that say they’ve lost buck quality/deer numbers.. (what have tag numbers done in those hunting units with high prevalence rates, and what do increased buck licenses and overall license numbers do to buck quality and deer herd numbers..

Cody robbins seems to disagree with you. he says it’s not hunting pressure. The outfitter I talked to who quit his deer operation because of CWD prevalence said it isn’t hunting pressure either. The folks in Kansas I talked to said it’s not hunting pressure either. Not winters either. And theyre already at a stage where seeing sick end stage deer is becoming more common in some areas of the state.

I’m also glad to know you would be in favor of banning feeding in units with CWD positives and relatively low prevalence rates.. you know, since that’s against what the state legislature has granted the people of North Dakota twice.

Yes we would be in favor of that.

it’s almost like bureaucratic over reach is back country hunters and anglers forte with the whole Land Tawney/sportsmen for Obama second amendment infringements.

Gabe, you rascal.

 

[NDbowman]

Question : Tree row removal. How much extra, if you take that row out (say 1/2 mile), would you actually make if for example planted to corn? Estimate? I realize wildlife does not "live" in these tree rows, but could supply them some protection while out feeding. There is nothing out there anymore on the landscape to even slow down the winds /blowing snow etc. I know with today's bigger equipment, its hard to get around the ends of rows, but just take out a few at the end, not the whole row. Tiling, well there goes the end of any sloughs they have for thermal protection.. They don't stand a chance anymore. Pasture land with hills and valleys seems to be their only refuge anymore.
Deer hunting this year, we saw very few deer in cropland areas compared to pastureland.

If you'd have ever had to pick branches up out of multiple fields after a bad wind storm, you'd want to pull out every shelter belt to. Then after you get them all picked up, another wind storm comes through and does it again. I'm a cattleman, not as much of a farmer so I like trees and shelter belts for wind protection for cattle so as much as I cuss old shelter belts at times, I'm still planting new ones. We have deer here because they have cover and food sources, annoys me that the people in good farm country east of me pull out all their trees burn all their sloughs and then can't figure out why they don't have deer around their place so they drive over here to road hunt.

 

[wct12]

This gibberish sounds so much like GST it’s absurd.

I think burning dried up sloughs is fine. It’s the drain tile that’s hard on em. If you burn em, then farm over em until a wet cycle fills em back up, to my understanding there’s not really a problem with that. Wetland will comeback when the water does. Drain tile is a permanent delete button. Perhaps that’s a generalization but that’s my impression.


Well you haven’t figured it out either apparently. Your post from HT. I guess you failed that animal health class.

right? I don’t know if that’s a right there’s no law in century code.

And apparently, at least as of 2023, they changed their mind.


I suppose you’ll tell me this is a 8 yr old bull too…

I agree a vaccine presents additional challenges. But I don’t think the genetics thing is the solution either. At least not at this point.

Cody robbins seems to disagree with you. he says it’s not hunting pressure. The outfitter I talked to who quit his deer operation because of CWD prevalence said it isn’t hunting pressure either. The folks in Kansas I talked to said it’s not hunting pressure either. Not winters either. And theyre already at a stage where seeing sick end stage deer is becoming more common in some areas of the state.


Yes we would be in favor of that.


Gabe, you rascal.

I really don’t get how you guys think I’m Gabe I’ve discussed this with you on my personal Facebook page and have the exact same comments all the way from front to back, even you private messaged me it’s how I responded. I just realize that a wolf in sheep’s clothing is still a wolf. Heck, I even posted a photo of myself and a bull moose the other day in my pickup. Maybe I need to start doing the picture of my signature and time and date every time I post like guys started doing on Facebook marketplace to prove its themselves?..

130 dead deer wasn’t from acidosis (your department experts even said this when they visited the yard). A pretty damn decent chunk was from over population, which caused winter kill and starvation still (when that many deer fight for food, even with an over abundance the old and weak and young and weak still are at the bottom of the pecking order), but that was their opinion so maybe they were wrong.. (wait, you said they can never be wrong so how could that be). But they all said the biggest threat to the deer in my yard that year was the bait pile people were hunting over lol. Imagine if the supplementally fed in our alfalfa with tree rows, groves and cattails sloughs and all the good habitat a guy could ever want that’s 6 miles west of the yard that every deer came from and farther that winter. It might not have over populated them in the yard so bad. Maybe it was the -25 degree weather for 2.5 weeks straight..

Cody Robbin’s will be the first person to grab a dollar when a dollar is available.. and he also baits like an SOB, or at least he did until a year or 2 ago if that changed. He does kill some damn nice deer though.. to bad some are on private land so he can’t #publiclandwarrior on his videos, at least he wasn’t posting that when I was still watching them.

The legislator changed their mind after jeb pleaded on the floor to trust the science, and then just a short 2 months later didn’t trust his own science and didn’t restrict 5 units that’s the department said they had to restrict. They definitely didn’t listen to the people that submitted testimony (80% in favor of last session or the committees that the bills went through).

Darn it.. A little rag horn run down and died. It’s almost like there’s never been a deer/elk that was 8+ years old that didn’t die from a disease just like there was a young bull that did. Some animals might die young, some might live an entire life span. That’s life unfortunately.. some are gone to soon, some live a lifetime.

Do you want a selfie if me posting on my labtop tomorrow? Or maybe if I have someone in the department say that’s it’s actually Wyatt instead of Gabe that responds to you you believe the trusted experts..

That slough they burned still would’ve provided thermal cover. Do they need to be cleaned up every now and again? Absolutely.. but more cattail sloughs on the prairie means more thermal cover for deer and other wildlife in the winter.. drain tile definitely cuts back on this, but again, it’s something the department is going to have to deal with, because it isn’t going away anytime soon.

 

[wct12]

This gibberish sounds so much like GST it’s absurd.

I think burning dried up sloughs is fine. It’s the drain tile that’s hard on em. If you burn em, then farm over em until a wet cycle fills em back up, to my understanding there’s not really a problem with that. Wetland will comeback when the water does. Drain tile is a permanent delete button. Perhaps that’s a generalization but that’s my impression.


Well you haven’t figured it out either apparently. Your post from HT. I guess you failed that animal health class.

right? I don’t know if that’s a right there’s no law in century code.

And apparently, at least as of 2023, they changed their mind.


I suppose you’ll tell me this is a 8 yr old bull too…

I agree a vaccine presents additional challenges. But I don’t think the genetics thing is the solution either. At least not at this point.

Cody robbins seems to disagree with you. he says it’s not hunting pressure. The outfitter I talked to who quit his deer operation because of CWD prevalence said it isn’t hunting pressure either. The folks in Kansas I talked to said it’s not hunting pressure either. Not winters either. And theyre already at a stage where seeing sick end stage deer is becoming more common in some areas of the state.


Yes we would be in favor of that.


Gabe, you rascal.

And I’m you went back and screen shot that, it was over a 100 people then that year.. i used to remember all this stuff a little better, but now I’ve basically got mashed potatoes upstairs if something happens over a couple months ago it seems.

Brock you rascal, show us on the doll where gst hurt you.. (there’s no way he would be teach savvy enough to screenshot that, crop it and then post it if ya actually knew him)