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[KDM]

WOW!! Well done BrockW. Your whole response is to question where i got my info when I clearly stated I googled Kansas deer population. Go ahead guys and google it yourselves. You will see the truth of what I stated. Maybe you should be asking Kansas where they got their data and why they themselves claim their deer populations are growing. Nice graphs by the way. However, nowhere on those harvest graphs does it show cwd caused any population declines. Deer populations have fluctuated for time immortal. I remember ND giving out 12 extra doe tags because we had to many deer. Now they hardly give out any doe tags at all. So what? Is that due to cwd? As for the most colorful graph. I will call everyone's attention, including you, to that oh so important word.....PERCEIVED!! Peoples perception doesn't equate to facts and they never will. All you do is bring opinion, innuendo, speculation, and emotions. I did like all the pretty colors though. Carry On!

 

[guywhofishes]

The high plains of KS is in the NW (the CWD "hotspot").
Also a sheep hotspot. Haha.

 

[KDM]

Thanks Guy, now I'm looking at types of sheep in Kansas and what the markets look like down there.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Do we have any idea how long CWD has been around? I ask because I am wondering if modern chemical use has any correlation.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Fun fact….. Kansas has a higher deer population in 2024 than it did in 2016. How is that possible when cwd is a hot spot there? imo there is a strong correlation between nutritional deficiencies and being susceptible to CWD manifestations.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Do we have any idea how long CWD has been around? I ask because I am wondering if modern chemical use has any correlation.

I used to think there could be something to it but I don’t think that’s the case. if you look at the pathology of the disease it’s similar to Alzheimer’s, MS, and CJD. Human science is beginning to look at nutritional deficiencies or bodily compromises as a cause for the onset of these types of diseases. To my simple brain it’s beginning to look to me as if each individual deer as well as regional locations are independently susceptible to it based on their nutritional health. Meaning nutritionally healthy deer aren’t susceptible to the onset of the disease. If you look at it from a human perspective many of the cognitive non contagious diseases are in older people who may be susceptible because of overall health to a plethora of diseases an otherwise younger healthy person isnt….. you see this with deer as well as it seems to really only affect older deer or at very least not manifest until later in life. Maybe we all have these proteins in us already and it’s not an issue until our bodies start to lose their edge due to nutritional deficiencies.

 

[BrockW]

You love to bring scientific studies into this, but you can't quite grasp the fact that it doesn't matter how many studies you bring forth stating cwd kills deer and elk and claiming cwd will decimate deer and elk populations when simple observations indicate the herds are doing fine.

So there, observations, what’s “perceived”, is important…not science that records field data.

As for the most colorful graph. I will call everyone's attention, including you, to that oh so important word.....PERCEIVED!! Peoples perception doesn't equate to facts and they never will. All you do is bring opinion, innuendo, speculation, and emotions. I did like all the pretty colors though. Carry On!

But here, when Kansas GF surveys landowners perceptions and they match what the science is telling us, but don’t agree with your spin on things, then what’s “perceived” isn’t valid anymore?

Hmmm….okay.

 

[BrockW]

It isn't necessarily related to the prion/soil interaction specifically. It could be related to ag chemicals (which are highly dependent on crops which vary with soil types - chemical burndown of wheat for instance), browse preference, any host of deer behavior and intake due to their environment.

Or are CWD deer simply more readily located/identified in the high plains of KS for some reason? (you can watch your dog run away for days type of landscape - so wasting deer are easily spotted)

Like I said - big data would probably get to the bottom of it.

Folks that are super against the use of round up have looked into round up causing prion diseases. They carried out a research project and came to the overwhelming conclusion that round up wasn’t causing it. There was a claim that an insecticide caused BSE. They tried to show it in a research project and it didn’t work.

They can certainly keep looking. But, I haven’t seen any data to indicate that’s the case.