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[KDM]

WOW!! Well done BrockW. Your whole response is to question where i got my info when I clearly stated I googled Kansas deer population. Go ahead guys and google it yourselves. You will see the truth of what I stated. Maybe you should be asking Kansas where they got their data and why they themselves claim their deer populations are growing. Nice graphs by the way. However, nowhere on those harvest graphs does it show cwd caused any population declines. Deer populations have fluctuated for time immortal. I remember ND giving out 12 extra doe tags because we had to many deer. Now they hardly give out any doe tags at all. So what? Is that due to cwd? As for the most colorful graph. I will call everyone's attention, including you, to that oh so important word.....PERCEIVED!! Peoples perception doesn't equate to facts and they never will. All you do is bring opinion, innuendo, speculation, and emotions. I did like all the pretty colors though. Carry On!

 

[guywhofishes]

The high plains of KS is in the NW (the CWD "hotspot").
Also a sheep hotspot. Haha.

 

[KDM]

Thanks Guy, now I'm looking at types of sheep in Kansas and what the markets look like down there.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Do we have any idea how long CWD has been around? I ask because I am wondering if modern chemical use has any correlation.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Fun fact….. Kansas has a higher deer population in 2024 than it did in 2016. How is that possible when cwd is a hot spot there? imo there is a strong correlation between nutritional deficiencies and being susceptible to CWD manifestations.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Do we have any idea how long CWD has been around? I ask because I am wondering if modern chemical use has any correlation.

I used to think there could be something to it but I don’t think that’s the case. if you look at the pathology of the disease it’s similar to Alzheimer’s, MS, and CJD. Human science is beginning to look at nutritional deficiencies or bodily compromises as a cause for the onset of these types of diseases. To my simple brain it’s beginning to look to me as if each individual deer as well as regional locations are independently susceptible to it based on their nutritional health. Meaning nutritionally healthy deer aren’t susceptible to the onset of the disease. If you look at it from a human perspective many of the cognitive non contagious diseases are in older people who may be susceptible because of overall health to a plethora of diseases an otherwise younger healthy person isnt….. you see this with deer as well as it seems to really only affect older deer or at very least not manifest until later in life. Maybe we all have these proteins in us already and it’s not an issue until our bodies start to lose their edge due to nutritional deficiencies.

 

[BrockW]

You love to bring scientific studies into this, but you can't quite grasp the fact that it doesn't matter how many studies you bring forth stating cwd kills deer and elk and claiming cwd will decimate deer and elk populations when simple observations indicate the herds are doing fine.

So there, observations, what’s “perceived”, is important…not science that records field data.

As for the most colorful graph. I will call everyone's attention, including you, to that oh so important word.....PERCEIVED!! Peoples perception doesn't equate to facts and they never will. All you do is bring opinion, innuendo, speculation, and emotions. I did like all the pretty colors though. Carry On!

But here, when Kansas GF surveys landowners perceptions and they match what the science is telling us, but don’t agree with your spin on things, then what’s “perceived” isn’t valid anymore?

Hmmm….okay.

 

[BrockW]

It isn't necessarily related to the prion/soil interaction specifically. It could be related to ag chemicals (which are highly dependent on crops which vary with soil types - chemical burndown of wheat for instance), browse preference, any host of deer behavior and intake due to their environment.

Or are CWD deer simply more readily located/identified in the high plains of KS for some reason? (you can watch your dog run away for days type of landscape - so wasting deer are easily spotted)

Like I said - big data would probably get to the bottom of it.

Folks that are super against the use of round up have looked into round up causing prion diseases. They carried out a research project and came to the overwhelming conclusion that round up wasn’t causing it. There was a claim that an insecticide caused BSE. They tried to show it in a research project and it didn’t work.

They can certainly keep looking. But, I haven’t seen any data to indicate that’s the case.

 

[Tinesdown]

So there, observations, what’s “perceived”, is important…not science that records field data.



But here, when Kansas GF surveys landowners perceptions and they match what the science is telling us, but don’t agree with your spin on things, then what’s “perceived” isn’t valid anymore?

Hmmm….okay.

Brock so u are in s.w nodak. Are u multiple resident thats cool imo but i thought u were out by baker mt working as a pumper.

 

[Tinesdown]

Brock so u are in s.w nodak. Are u multiple resident thats cool imo but i thought u were out by baker mt working as a pumper.

I saw some good mulies down that way at night but the landowners are saving them right out.

 

[Tinesdown]

I saw some good mulies down that way at night but the landowners are saving them right out.

That old field down that way is cool go north hands are getting 350 a day some others are getting 600 dollars per day

 

[Tinesdown]

Also that ground east of the little river north so we talking litttle missouri. Its a crazy good river for deer sign. Iv drove through all that ground and the best spots are on private. Had a good area they hestiken through a name hestiken thats way soth east of rhame.

 

[Tinesdown]

Also that ground east of the little river north so we talking litttle missouri. Its a crazy good river for deer sign. Iv drove through all that ground and the best spots are on private. Had a good area they hestiken through a name hestiken thats way soth east of rhame.

Eaton or is that b.s i think turbiville has better goats than them all. And they are west of the little river go west of the little missouri turbivill. They have real good goats. Turbiville is the mans name has troghy goats (antelope. Its s.w marmarth nd . If u get that unit its on u but i saw trophy goats on his land straight out. Its kinda in the hills but they are there im fucking serios. So these shit heads are living in the hills. U would say no thats bs but seen book goat on his ground. Absolutely

 

[Tinesdown]

Folks that are super against the use of round up have looked into round up causing prion diseases. They carried out a research project and came to the overwhelming conclusion that round up wasn’t causing it. There was a claim that an insecticide caused BSE. They tried to show it in a research project and it didn’t work.

They can certainly keep looking. But, I haven’t seen any data to indicate that’s the case.

I think we might have hunted in the same areas. Have u hunted the ground s.w of the memorial crossing south of marmarth nd prolly 15 miles south on the little missouri river i ask u because i know u are from the baker mt area. How are the whitetail deer doing.

 

[Trip McNeely]

 

[CatDaddy]

I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers at. Kansas first had it in the wild in 2005, only 4 years longer than us. They have never regulated baiting and already have 40% + prevalence in NW Kansas. Additionally, Kansas recent surveys reported less deer (both sexes) and declining deer numbers in NW Kansas where their CWD hot spots are. Kansas Game and fish staff can confirm they get reports of sick CWD deer in that area and have been for the last couple years.

Deer pops are doing well in eastern Kansas where prevalence is low. But if prevalence gets high there, they will likely see population impacts as well….just like every place with high prevalence. No exceptions to this. Some just more severe than others.

Wyoming and Co have had the disease for 40 years in the wild, they are still significantly better off in most areas of the state compared to places like Sask where baiting is widely popular. Both in prevalence and geographic spread.

Again, not sure where you get your numbers. Colorados deer herd has been almost cut in half since the early 2000s. Sure that’s not all due to CWD, but it ain’t EHD. And only so much of it can be attributed to increased harvest. Some is due to winter, sure. But we also know winter is harder on CWD+ positive animals. If you talk to the folks who live and work in the hotspots, all the ones I’ve talked to confirm CWD is an issue and has caused noticeable impacts to deer populations and age structures. Some areas worse than others. 40 years with the disease and they’re still doing better than Saskatchewan and in some measure better than Kansas right next door.

Why is that? I subscribe to occams razor…encouraging baiting and incentivizing feeding by allowing hunting over bait creates the perfect environment to spread a contagious disease. That is just common sense. Someone denying that is not living in reality. Especially with a disease that is not easily transmitted like the cold or flu. It takes large doses or repeated exposure. The states that have banned baiting fair better with the disease, almost overwhelmingly.

Also, not correct about New York. New York’s first case in the wild was in the early 2000s. They went in and culled a bunch of deer immediately in that area and have been CWD free in the wild ever since. There was recently a positive in a deer farm facility….iirc it was a deer that was shipped in from somewhere. Maybe someone can correct me on that.

Wow, look at all that data. It must be true! I know, I know, I'm about to get schooled on how ignorant I am Brock. Let's hear it. I've also got a pretty graph that I'd like to share!

You continue to ignore and discredit folks who have been fed these lies time and time again....then you raise the arrogance factor with keyboard "snickers" and "jeers" towards those who don't agree with you. I assume that means that you're right and we're wrong? You're smarter than us? Try a different approach that engages us and helps bridge the gap. Or don't and continue to just cram your agenda down our throats. Up to you. I have contemplated your arguments, considered that I'm missing something, then doubled down against you because of your approach. It isn't working. Up to you.

Calling the "Covid Comparison" lazy and unimaginative tells me how out of touch you are with America, and specifically the sportsmen you are preaching at. We endured the ultimate science-based conspiracy in human history yet you fail to see how similarly the CWD "data" could be interpreted by your audience? Complete fail. Try again....or don't.

KDM's point on EHD being a more eminent threat and many others who have cited habitat degradation as more pressing than CWD hold more water IMHO than your agenda. Oh, BTW, do you know KDM's background? He's likely just one of the "sheep" you've deemed don't know anything. He probably has no idea what prions even are. Try again.

Tired of my money being spent on things like CWD when there are more obvious problems on the current landscape. Can't wait to hear your close-minded, one-track response! Let's hear it Brock - tell us how it is! Honestly, can't wait to hear how my thoughts and sentiments get twisted and belittled......and Go!

 

[Trip McNeely]

Fun fact….. today in testimony Brock said “Im not aware of or been presented any alternative science on CWD” ……..…… this guy vomits lies and agenda driven half truths.

 

[CatDaddy]

Fun fact….. today in testimony Brock said “Im not aware of or been presented any alternative science on CWD” ……..…… this guy vomits lies and agenda driven half truths.

Doesn't this point directly to an agenda? Not just by Brock, but the bigger picture scientific community as a whole?

Good on Brock for doubling down on his truths. Shame on him for judging others who don't agree and treating them as inferior. Doesn't go far in my book.

 

[CatDaddy]

I remember a guy on NDA who was ridiculed for his posts about Covid and trying to warn others about the bad science....He wasn't right about everything, but I'd argue he was mostly right about most things. Love it or hate it, feels like we're right back there with Brock on one side and Trip on the other.

 

[Trip McNeely]

Doesn't this point directly to an agenda? Not just by Brock, but the bigger picture scientific community as a whole?

Good on Brock for doubling down on his truths. Shame on him for judging others who don't agree and treating them as inferior. Doesn't go far in my book.

It’s been his go to now for years. Same with the game and fish “professionals” treat others as inferior minds. It really chapped my ass when he mistakenly messaged my brother assuming it was me. Upon engaging in the same conversations you’ve all had here with him did the same thing to my brother….. basically called him crazy for not believing him….. my brother has human physiology background and asked Brock for the peer reviewed studies so he could read them and interpret them on his own accord…….thats when Brock pulled the same card he pulled on all of you and played the ignorant crazy card.