Selling of your public lands.

[PrairieGhost]

But the vast majority of public lands west of the Continental Divide, including those in Montana, are owned and managed by federal agencies including the Department of the Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, and the U.S. Forest Service

You have to question these things when they say the EPA owner land. We watched a control burn by a little town called York in Montana last summer. They had a chopper on a controlled burn. They scooped water from the Upper Holter lake and dumped two miles sweet of York. That chopper worked about four hours.

Edit: My point is if they do it on a controlled burn I find it hard to believe they would not do it in an emergency.

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Tubbs, the director of Montana’s Department of Natural Resources and Conservation, says the restrictions are now applied on his department’s helicopters, and cost valuable time.

I see this is a state agency that has restrictions and couldn't make it to a fire. The chopper I was watching was working for the Forest Service who evidently doesn't have the same problem.

gst I brought up the possibility of having to pay a person leasing the land because it is just that a possibility. Every state will have different rules for land they lease. Can you honestly say that it will not happen in any state? If not then it needs to be considered as a possibility and if land is transferred those considerations need to be addressed.

 

[Skibbys bottom]

Fly, I realize that personal contact with your representatives is usually the best move, but for those who are always working or don't have access this is another tool to contact your congressmen on issues are concerning to you. In this tweet, facebook, twitter, instant messaging age we live in, it may be easier for those techies to use an app rather than pick up the phone and call, like I'd do. I do not like texting, tweeting etc... I would much better like to talk to a person and get his views by reading his or her vocal expressions rather than read what he may or may not be at his or her heart strings.

 

[Fly Carpin]

Fly, I realize that personal contact with your representatives is usually the best move, but for those who are always working or don't have access this is another tool to contact your congressmen on issues are concerning to you. In this tweet, facebook, twitter, instant messaging age we live in, it may be easier for those techies to use an app rather than pick up the phone and call, like I'd do. I do not like texting, tweeting etc... I would much better like to talk to a person and get his views by reading his or her vocal expressions rather than read what he may or may not be at his or her heart strings.

Agreed. I downloaded the app. Pretty awesome. I like being able to see how our elected officials are voting. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[KDM]

I hate to say it, but unless something changes, the amount of public land in this country will diminish continually as we push foreword through time. Europe is a pretty good model to look at. Public lands COST a country money....private lands GENERATE money for a country through taxes. Given the current deficit of INTERGALACTIC proportions this country now bears, it is totally within the purview of the govt. to turn a portion of these lands into revenue generating properties. You can guess which lands will be targeted first. The best hunting and fishing locations throughout the country. Piece by piece, the most picturesque and productive lands will be converted into private land. Even with my opinions of what the future holds, I will continue to fight against this concept. I want to keep our public lands at there current levels for all to enjoy. The more public land that is lost, the closer we get to hunting being only a rich mans sport. Just like in Europe.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Skibbys I downloaded the app also. Sure will make things easy.

 

[gst]

You have to question these things when they say the EPA owner land. We watched a control burn by a little town called York in Montana last summer. They had a chopper on a controlled burn. They scooped water from the Upper Holter lake and dumped two miles sweet of York. That chopper worked about four hours.

Edit: My point is if they do it on a controlled burn I find it hard to believe they would not do it in an emergency.

Edit again:

I see this is a state agency that has restrictions and couldn't make it to a fire. The chopper I was watching was working for the Forest Service who evidently doesn't have the same problem.

gst I brought up the possibility of having to pay a person leasing the land because it is just that a possibility. Every state will have different rules for land they lease. Can you honestly say that it will not happen in any state? If not then it needs to be considered as a possibility and if land is transferred those considerations need to be addressed.

Plains
that is why I said there were a few discrepancies (indeed you have to question things like that, including the claim Federal lands are badly over grazed right?)

But the general information in the article is a fairly accurate portrayal of what is happening out west.

Plains guide lines for leasing (charging for public access on public lands) can be written in any agreement transferring management or title to the states to prevent what you claim will happen. So until one sees that is NOT written into an agreement...............

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I wonder how many contacting their Congressperson on this issue will do so to support this one.........

http://gosar.house.gov/press-releas...n-legislation-reform-equal-access-justice-act

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, U.S. Congressman Paul A. Gosar, D.D.S. (AZ-04) released the following statement after joining five other original sponsors in introducing H.R. 3279, the Open Book on Equal Access to Justice Act, which aims to strengthen the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA) by reinstating the tracking and reporting requirements for how much money is being paid out by the federal government under this law: “Given the rampant waste, fraud and abuse that has infected the federal government, increasing transparency of how taxpayer dollars are spent is more important than ever. The intent of the Equal Access to Justice Act was to help the average Joe fight back against an overreaching and oppressive federal government. Unfortunately, this well-intentioned law has been hijacked by environmentalists whose lawyers are billing taxpayers for rates as high as $750 an hour.” “Environmental groups have abused EAJA and used it as a money-making tool to advance their far left agenda. Our bipartisan bill will restore common sense to this law and crack down on these abuses.” This is a huge step to "fix" the system. Skibbys Bottom in a different thread alluded to the problems these environ groups cause managing these Federal lands thru their lawsuits. So who will put any effort into contacting their Congress persons to support this "fix"?

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KDM, could it be these lands collateralize our national debt to other nations such as China?

 

[KDM]

Possible gst, but that kind of information I'm sure would be closely guarded as if it were true, I suspect more folks would be screaming for a balanced budget and an end to this OUTRAGEOUS deficit we have. I suspect much of the "behind the scenes" shenanigans concerning our fiscal condition and HOW it came about and WHO thought it was a good idea, will probably be made available by the current administration in the coming months/years. Regardless, I sincerely hope our fiscal situation can be and is being corrected as I type this.

 

[gst]

Some interesting information about the 4th World Wilderness Congress held back in 1987. Is it a "grassy knoll" kinda thing or something those pulling the financial strings globally have created???????????Who knows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wilderness_Congress

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/051007_george_hunt.html

https://www.newswithviews.com/brownfield/brownfield59.htm

http://citizenreviewonline.org/2011/Oct/land_for_debt.html

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4th World Wilderness Congress[edit]

September, 1987 in Denver and Estes Park, Colorado, United States
2,000 delegates from 64 countries.
Proceedings: For the Conservation of Earth, edited by Vance G. Martin, published by Fulcrum, Inc., 1988.
Proposed the establishment of a World Conservation Bank, which eventually led to the $1.1 billion Global Environment Facility. Advocation of wilderness areas under the IUCN Categories of Protected Areas, which was accepted in 1990. Proposal to accept the Cairngorm Plateau for listing as a World Heritage Site. Proposal for a World Conservation Corps, or Service, as an outlet for public environmental action.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Environment_Facility

So how much has this been supported under the last administation?? Who knows.

But note the players involved tying monies and regulation to compliance.

 

[gst]

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I wonder how many contacting their Congressperson on this issue will do so to support this one.........

http://gosar.house.gov/press-releas...n-legislation-reform-equal-access-justice-act

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, U.S. Congressman Paul A. Gosar, D.D.S. (AZ-04) released the following statement after joining five other original sponsors in introducing H.R. 3279, the Open Book on Equal Access to Justice Act, which aims to strengthen the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA) by reinstating the tracking and reporting requirements for how much money is being paid out by the federal government under this law: “Given the rampant waste, fraud and abuse that has infected the federal government, increasing transparency of how taxpayer dollars are spent is more important than ever. The intent of the Equal Access to Justice Act was to help the average Joe fight back against an overreaching and oppressive federal government. Unfortunately, this well-intentioned law has been hijacked by environmentalists whose lawyers are billing taxpayers for rates as high as $750 an hour.” “Environmental groups have abused EAJA and used it as a money-making tool to advance their far left agenda. Our bipartisan bill will restore common sense to this law and crack down on these abuses.” This is a huge step to "fix" the system. Skibbys Bottom in a different thread alluded to the problems these environ groups cause managing these Federal lands thru their lawsuits. So who will put any effort into contacting their Congress persons to support this "fix"?

Anyone?

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Time for a little honesty here folks, who has contacted our Reps urging their support of this bill?

Who really wants to fix the system?

Who really wants We the people to regain control of our govt?

 

[dank]

I
I am just curious what others think, void of the usual rhetoric please, what would it take to support transfer of these lands to the states or do people only care about their hunting opportunity and nothing else? Not that that would change under state control of public land.

I'm happy to see you took your own advice for less than one page gst.

 

[Kurtr]

I'm happy to see you took your own advice for less than one page gst.

thanks for adding some thing constructive to the conversation. With guidance like you have gave our public lands have nothing to worry about.......

 

[deleted member]

i think before the feds dump them in the name of saving money, they really do need to return to this foreign concept of true multiple use like you have been speaking about and see how it works. and the leases need to be a bit closer to private leases for similar resources to really get a true feel for whether or not it is an economical loss or not. i just have trouble understanding how 95% of private landowners, mineral owners, resource owners, etc... in this country (some of whom have an actual land payment or mortgage) are able to make it work AND pay taxes on the land AND pay income taxes when the government (who doesn't have a tax burden or a mortgage) can't seem to turn a profit or even break even.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Dead Capital.

 

[gst]

I'm happy to see you took your own advice for less than one page gst.

Example?

 

[Kurtr]

Hr 621 is dead

 

[Whisky]

:;:thumbsup

 

[PrairieGhost]

That was fast. I hope it's an indication of how many people were against it.

 

[Kurtr]

there is a town hall tonight will be interesting to see how many people show.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP_zOxEF0-Q/?taken-by=jasoninthehouse&hl=en

 

[Uncle Jimbo]

Hr 621 is dead

This battle has been won but the war will rage on. I'm encouraged by the resistance to HR 621 and hope sportsmen and women are becoming more aware of what some politicians want to do to our public lands. Thanks to all of you who sent emails and made phone calls! ����

 

[PrairieGhost]

622 sounds like he is going to create a mess. Block grants so states can enforce federal law. Doesn't this guy have something important to do? Doesn't he understand that every time money is transferred much of it is lost through administration? He is doing exactly what people complain about. Wasting money.