The whole posted / unposted land thing in ND should die (includes Poll)

Should permission be required on all private land in ND?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 24.4%
  • No

    Votes: 88 71.5%
  • Meh...

    Votes: 5 4.1%

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Kurtr

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The idea of landowners getting more for more used land is a great idea. It rewards the guys who put land in that is good and i see that as a bonus for both hunter and landowners. I know there are some new programs down here kind of being run that way and seem to be a hit with all
 


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These non-profits also hand out a free decal with membership. It should be required that members "post" the decal on their windshield. When one of those pulls into my yard, that's when I have my fun.

That's why I have a rusty old pickup with a few anti government stickers on it, old tattered clothes and a dirty seed cap when I go ask permission from the land barons.
 

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That's why I have a rusty old pickup with a few anti government stickers on it, old tattered clothes and a dirty seed cap when I go ask permission from the land barons.

I thought that would work dove hunting. Drove my old 99 rusty Dodge Ram.

Stopped at a likely abandoned farm - and ended up visiting with a guy on a 4 wheeler who told me people had been stealing game cameras, etc. from the farmstead.

I explained I was just dove hunting. He looked at me, looked in the back seat at... a big dorky poodle - and just sort of shook his head and gave me the "OK I suppose you're OK" treatment.

I started standing around one area of the ditch for pass shooting and 15 minutes later he trolled by in a different vehicle - to see if I was legit maybe?

Royce and I stood there gawking at him as he trolled by with a confused look on his face.

Awkward.

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So the moral of the story is sometimes the old beater truck makes you look like a hoodie-wearing camera thief.

Or maybe it was the poodle.
 

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the confused look likely had to do with the fact that he hasn't seen a "dove hunter" in two decades and/or he wasn't in argentina. do people still dove hunt other than me?
 


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the confused look likely had to do with the fact that he hasn't seen a "dove hunter" in two decades and/or he wasn't in argentina. do people still dove hunt other than me?

I had a pretty good dove year this year. there are even a few left around one of my spots
 

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the confused look likely had to do with the fact that he hasn't seen a "dove hunter" in two decades and/or he wasn't in argentina. do people still dove hunt other than me?

he said he had done a lot of it in his day but has since given it up a few years back and that in fact, he HAD been on a dove shoot in Argentina in the past (he was a neighboring farmer who lived a mile away BTW)
 

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I thought that would work dove hunting. Drove my old 99 rusty Dodge Ram.

Stopped at a likely abandoned farm - and ended up visiting with a guy on a 4 wheeler who told me people had been stealing game cameras, etc. from the farmstead.

I explained I was just dove hunting. He looked at me, looked in the back seat at... a big dorky poodle - and just sort of shook his head and gave me the "OK I suppose you're OK" treatment.

I started standing around one area of the ditch for pass shooting and 15 minutes later he trolled by in a different vehicle - to see if I was legit maybe?

Royce and I stood there gawking at him as he trolled by with a confused look on his face.

Awkward.

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So the moral of the story is sometimes the old beater truck makes you look like a hoodie-wearing camera thief.

Or maybe it was the poodle.
More then likely the poodle. ;)

Had a few good dove hunts this year myself.
 

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tell me more about this pheasant club please. we've got a bit of habitat in our area that could support at least 2 birds and i've got half dozen neighbors willing to throw some money at the problem every spring. aside from habitat, what else do you do? after much discussion with a few folks... mostly on this site... it sounds like i need to start buying roosters and bred hens in the spring. where do you guys buy yours?
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It has been around for well over 20 years now, I really can;t remember how long. It has been a few years since I was directly involved. From the start it has been an independant club. They hold a banquet once a year. They purchase a couple thousand live birds each spring from an outfit in Mn. I believe. Used to get some out of Sayer but that gal isn;t in business anymore. I would have to check, my friend is kinda in charge of that any more. They also purchase chicks and donate to area people to raise along with start up feed. Once again I think between 2 and 3000 birds.

Used to run an ice fishing tourney as a fund raiser on Darling but got to be a hassle in a few different ways. Hold youth hunting days and have some areas just for youth to hunt that birds are raised and released in. Have built habitat inhancements for wildlife and fishing opportunities.

/raising and releasing birds does work. We have been raising around 300 every year for about 6 years and now have numbers one can actually go hunt. Not lots but enough to enjoy. Used to put a couple dozen here and a couple dozen there around the area but have now gone to splitting what we release into two groups and saturating an area. Seems ot work better at establishing birds that have chicks of their own the following years. Interesting information on the internet about self contained brooder systems that raise the chicks outin the "wild" where they are then just allowed to walk out into the habitat. If you are serious about raising them I can share some opointers we have learned over the years.
 

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well here is why i am changing my tune. i tried chicks again this year. of course the chicks were pretty cheap. but, i raised em until they were about 12 weeks old before releasing. 150-200 almost adult pheasants go thru a lot of food. i started with 200 chicks. at about $1.10/each, i had about $300 into them with gas plus 5-6 hours of my time driving down to valley city to get them. i would guess i spent another $300 on food. then another $1-200 for the flight pen netting. and the release was somewhat controlled. i just opened the pen door and allowed them to come and go from the coup and pen as they wished. i even put food and water outside for them. cover was literally 10 yards away. mind you... the dogs did a decent job of dispersing them. but, within a week or two, there were almost no birds around to speak of. they could've all just moved on. but, i only have one rooster hanging out in the yard at this point. and other than the occasional crow, i've seen no sign of the rest. i would guess we ended up releasing about 160 of the original 200. so, once i account for my time, i am considering just doing adult birds.
 


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You should release some of these pheasants, spice things up a bit.

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Or maybe a couple of these.

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Or how bout some of these bad boys!

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Should really release some of these guys. Imagine this getting up in front of you, not knowing its there.
 

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well here is why i am changing my tune. i tried chicks again this year. of course the chicks were pretty cheap. but, i raised em until they were about 12 weeks old before releasing. 150-200 almost adult pheasants go thru a lot of food. i started with 200 chicks. at about $1.10/each, i had about $300 into them with gas plus 5-6 hours of my time driving down to valley city to get them. i would guess i spent another $300 on food. then another $1-200 for the flight pen netting. and the release was somewhat controlled. i just opened the pen door and allowed them to come and go from the coup and pen as they wished. i even put food and water outside for them. cover was literally 10 yards away. mind you... the dogs did a decent job of dispersing them. but, within a week or two, there were almost no birds around to speak of. they could've all just moved on. but, i only have one rooster hanging out in the yard at this point. and other than the occasional crow, i've seen no sign of the rest. i would guess we ended up releasing about 160 of the original 200. so, once i account for my time, i am considering just doing adult birds.

I would imagine the fox, coyotes and hawks will be sending thank you cards.
 

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camper hunt 2.jpg

You should release some of these pheasants, spice things up a bit.

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Or maybe a couple of these.

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Or how bout some of these bad boys!

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Should really release some of these guys. Imagine this getting up in front of you, not knowing its there.

In watertown at the zoo they had a pen with all the different pheasants in it we would go there as kids and thought they were awesome. We also wondered what they would taste like but after we talked my little brother into sneaking up and getting a mallard for supper we were not allowed there with out parents any more. It was a pretty good fight between him and the duck he was only 7. had a little meeting and dad was not impressed but they did let us keep the duck and we ate it.
 


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Yep my grandmother lived in Watertown and remember those exotic pheasants. Went to that zoo all the time.
 

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We lived 2 blocks.away and the damn peacocks would.wake us up at sunrise they are loud critters. We had a season pass and went all the time other than the one year ban for the duck incident. The elk right by the bike trail.would.scare the Crap out of people in the fall when rutting they would.charge the fence.
 

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It has been around for well over 20 years now, I really can;t remember how long. It has been a few years since I was directly involved. From the start it has been an independant club. They hold a banquet once a year. They purchase a couple thousand live birds each spring from an outfit in Mn. I believe. Used to get some out of Sayer but that gal isn;t in business anymore. I would have to check, my friend is kinda in charge of that any more. They also purchase chicks and donate to area people to raise along with start up feed. Once again I think between 2 and 3000 birds.

Used to run an ice fishing tourney as a fund raiser on Darling but got to be a hassle in a few different ways. Hold youth hunting days and have some areas just for youth to hunt that birds are raised and released in. Have built habitat inhancements for wildlife and fishing opportunities.

/raising and releasing birds does work. We have been raising around 300 every year for about 6 years and now have numbers one can actually go hunt. Not lots but enough to enjoy. Used to put a couple dozen here and a couple dozen there around the area but have now gone to splitting what we release into two groups and saturating an area. Seems ot work better at establishing birds that have chicks of their own the following years. Interesting information on the internet about self contained brooder systems that raise the chicks outin the "wild" where they are then just allowed to walk out into the habitat. If you are serious about raising them I can share some opointers we have learned over the years.
I'm actually really interested in what you've learned in raising pheasants. I hope to get involved with this in a couple of years when student loans are paid off...
 

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Okay here goes, I'll try to list what I can think of. The boys have been able , other than one year we got 8 inches of rain and the pheasant house flooded over nite, to keep the mortality rate on chicks under 10% some years under 5% .

We have an insulated house 12 x 12 we start them out in. We have an elevated platform 4 x 12 with mesh wire that the first few days, 4 or 5, we cover with paper. We dip each chicks beak in water to get them to drink right away as we take them out of the box. We keep the temp about 90 in the house (milk house heaters help if it is cold) and have heat lamps which will be between 90 and 100 directly under them. We use a high protein suet blocks (seems to reduce pecking each other with the fat and animal protein content in the suet) along with commercial feed and use electrolytes and vitamin supplement in the water. We have found the elevated platform with heat under it keeps the chicks spread out better and they don;t pile on top of each other so much. Early on before we went to the platform we lost a few chicks to suffocation when they piled up under the heat lamps (you will think some chicks are dead but they are only sleeping while others stomp all over them)

To start we sprinkle feed on the paper along with the feeders. within a few days we are picking alfalfa and other fresh greens to help keep them from pecking on each other. We take the paper off after about 4 days and put heaters under the mesh wire along with a couple heat lamps yet. . (learned the hard way crap can build up on their toes and they will peck at each others feet on solid floors.) We have a 24 inch side on this platform and within about 10 days they are flying over so they are put down on the gravel floor in teh building with the lights and heaters still avalible . We have a 20 x 60 enclosed pen which we dug the wire down 12 inches in the ground that we partition off to 20 x 16 to start letting them out. for a couple weeks (4/5 weeks old we run them in every nite heat still on) They seem to start going in on their own or can survive outside at that point on. Then it is just feed and water (we have automatic waters outside.

At 6 weeks we open the whole flyway pen up which always grows up to weeds for cover. we also have a few old pine trees and pallets foir cover in there. You need a covered area that will stay dry that is fine dirt so they can dust in to keep lice away. We start transitioning them over to grains at about 8 or 9 weeks and then release them at about 12 weeks. We do have a second flyway pen and building the same size we will split them into most years (when Grandpa doesn;t have chickens) just to give them more room. Our fly way is built with 5 inch wood posts on the sides with well pipe in the middle posts well pipe ridge pole and sucker rod bent for rafters. We wire the mesh to the sucker rod and stapled it onto green treat 2x6 boards on the sides and end frames. We doubled the mesh with a heavier gauge 2 foot up on the bottom as something (coons coyote?) tore a hole once in the other light mesh.

We built a box 4 x 8 12 inches high and catch them and put them in there and take it out to where we are going to release them and just leave it sit all day. There is usually a couple left that we have to dump out, otherwise everything just kinda wanders out. It takes cover, alfalfa/grass nearby (more bugs to eat) and water for them to seem to take off on their own.

It takes a while to start to see results. Mother nature has to cooperate and if you don;t feed cattle like us, winter feeding sure helps get them established. We used to take 30 gallon barrels (well rinsed) (pheasant club provided) and cut small slots in the bottom and fill with screenings or cracked corn and set around. Deer like em too much too. Foxes, hawks ect....like your efforts, and pen raised birds are dumb, but if you stick with it eventually with Ma Natures help you can make an impact and start seeing wild birds.

We did get some dark colored birds (black) from Sawyer when she was in business, they are pretty birds. Not many left now.

Hope that helps, we enjoy doing this and seeing birds around.

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In watertown at the zoo they had a pen with all the different pheasants in it we would go there as kids and thought they were awesome. We also wondered what they would taste like but after we talked my little brother into sneaking up and getting a mallard for supper we were not allowed there with out parents any more. It was a pretty good fight between him and the duck he was only 7. had a little meeting and dad was not impressed but they did let us keep the duck and we ate it.


When I was a young kid 6 and 7 we had a crazy Indian work for us for a couple years. Elroy. He was funnier than hell and taught us kids cool stuff (things that didn;t impress Mom) Once he brought us back a bunch of BIG fire crackers from the res. about every third one was a dud. he put all the duds in a metal 5 gallon bucket, threw in a little paper and bet us kids he could light it an once they started going off sit on the pail until they were done going off, musta been 500 of them in there. I can remember him running away whooping and hollering with his pants smoking and jumped in the cattle water tank.

He had a drinkin problem and a couple years after he quit working for us Dad got a call from the cops in Minot in Jan. He had run out of monies and food and crawled over the fence at Roosevelt Zoo and killed a deer with a knife and got caught trying to get it over the fence. Dad bailed him out of jail and never heard from him again.

I think he would have talked us kids into getting one of those fancy pheasants.
 

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How far will they go once released? If there is prime habitat with no hunting a mile away, would it be a lost cause as they would all end up there?
 


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