The whole posted / unposted land thing in ND should die (includes Poll)

[labhunter66]

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Ah Lab hunter, you must have missed the part of the post were I said "before someone goes all plainsman on me"............

You have watched Bruce and my discussion over on Nodak enough to realize what you have paid in your portion of a govt payment to "me" so the govt can control private lands in your life time would not amount to what damage that one moose caused. And besides as I asked, what does this govt's cheap food policy have to do with "your resource" causing damages?

No big deal, it is all part of what we deal with when we choose to farm or ranch. I just get a kick out of these fellas that claim wildlife is "their resource" that would likely be the loudest one squacking if my "resources" wandered into town and ate their petunias.

North Dakota spends a fair bit on plots. If they ran it like Mt.s program both parties would be better off. landowner enrolls better lands, more people hunt it, worth more to enroll. They enroll barren pasture grazed down to the dirt, no one hunts, they do not get paid. People that have to sign in tend to remember to shut gates and pick up trash.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]



GST, you were the one that opened the payment door when you asked if I wanted to pay for the resource damage you sustain. My point is that as a society people receive support in different ways. It's easy to point out others benefits and look the other way when it comes to something affecting ourselves.

Not once have I advocated for pulling into someone's yard demanding access to "our resource". All I've said it that if someone want's to deny access to that resource I don't think it's too much to ask to put up a no hunting sign. If the law changed it wouldn't affect me much. I do hunt some unposted private land but I'm sure I could get permission if needed. The vast majority of what I hunt is public land or posted private land that I already have permission on. The original questions didn't have anything to do with how a law change would affect me personally it simply asked if permission should be required on all private land. I don't see any need to change the current system so no, I don't think permission should be required. Simple as that.

 

[guywhofishes]

Ah, guywhosmilessmuglyandassumesanapologyisrequired, indeed someone was talking about feeding animals. So if you wish to go there and expand on your little queery, please answer a few simple questions to earn your apology.

1.exactly how many acres of food plots do wildlife clubs provide animals in our state

2. how many of the "publics resource" are sustained by them

3. thru the months of may to nov are the plants and grains this public resource consuming " lost grains laying in the field, " or are they a means by which a person earns a livlihood?

4. are the tree rows I plant for the purpose of sheltering my livestock "the natural browse animals find growing in the margins" that you assume is free for "your resource" to consume?

I suppose you can ignore answering these questions or simply realize people are just suggesting a bit of respect and courtousy from all involved is a better answer than where some wish to go.

ha ha ha... have you ever just admitted you misjudged someone or misspoke and then moved on?

no thanks - I am not in the mood to attempt a crossing of gst's infamous Bridge of Death.

 

[fnznfwl]

GST's just bitter 'cause he didnt get a disaster payment for moose damage like he gets for weather.

(Both of which I consider hazards of the job)

 

[guywhofishes]

I'm not sure why gst picks on me. You'd think he'd be nicer to a fellow western ND landowner.

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Besides - I'm....

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I voted No by the way - because it won't really do anything to stop the asshattery that's at the root of the problem.

 

[Kurtr]

Think of the jobs that would create bar coding every deer.

 

[Zogman]

Agree, I have seen plots land that could NOT support a sparrow.

 

[cpete00]

I used to get signs from Game and Fish that said "Walking hunters welcome". Did they do away with that program? They worked really good for keeping folks from driving on some quarter lines I have. Also used to get some "Ask" signs and put them up around the home quarter just people would pull into the yard and realize that there is a house and buildings there so they wouldn't shoot in that direction. It always worked really and never had a single problem.

Way less chasing deer down with the pickup and shooting out the window at ditch parrots. Even received some cards and pictures of some really nice deer that had been shot.

GSTs idea of a block management type deal would be pretty sweet. Might make it a little more worth it to leave a dry slough or pesky shelter belt around.

 

[gst]

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Ah Lab hunter, you must have missed the part of the post were I said "before someone goes all plainsman on me"............

You have watched Bruce and my discussion over on Nodak enough to realize what you have paid in your portion of a govt payment to "me" so the govt can control private lands in your life time would not amount to what damage that one moose caused. And besides as I asked, what does this govt's cheap food policy have to do with "your resource" causing damages?

No big deal, it is all part of what we deal with when we choose to farm or ranch. I just get a kick out of these fellas that claim wildlife is "their resource" that would likely be the loudest one squacking if my "resources" wandered into town and ate their petunias.

North Dakota spends a fair bit on plots. If they ran it like Mt.s program both parties would be better off. landowner enrolls better lands, more people hunt it, worth more to enroll. They enroll barren pasture grazed down to the dirt, no one hunts, they do not get paid. People that have to sign in tend to remember to shut gates and pick up trash.

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GST, you were the one that opened the payment door when you asked if I wanted to pay for the resource damage you sustain. My point is that as a society people receive support in different ways. It's easy to point out others benefits and look the other way when it comes to something affecting ourselves.

Not once have I advocated for pulling into someone's yard demanding access to "our resource". All I've said it that if someone want's to deny access to that resource I don't think it's too much to ask to put up a no hunting sign. If the law changed it wouldn't affect me much. I do hunt some unposted private land but I'm sure I could get permission if needed. The vast majority of what I hunt is public land or posted private land that I already have permission on. The original questions didn't have anything to do with how a law change would affect me personally it simply asked if permission should be required on all private land. I don't see any need to change the current system so no, I don't think permission should be required. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Okay I know I shouldn;t but my curiousity gets the better of me. labhunter, explain to us the connection between a farm program payment which the govt is required to pay when the "take" the ability to use private lands that is part of a Federal cheap food policy and damage that wildlife do? I am curious how you think that "opened the door".


I mentioned the conversations old plainsman and I had you likely watched over on Nodak so you would stop and think about the return on investment your "farm subsidy payments" provide you in the grocery store. If you do not like this nations cheap food policy take it up with your representatives. But please elaborate on how that connects to wildlife damage.

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ha ha ha... have you ever just admitted you misjudged someone or misspoke and then moved on?

no thanks - I am not in the mood to attempt a crossing of gst's infamous Bridge of Death.

So guywhoneedsaffirmationofanapology it would appear that I did in fact admit i mis spoke.

"Ah, guywhosmilessmuglyandassumesanapologyisrequired, indeed someone was talking about feeding animals."




But, so as not to offend ones tender sensibilities on an internet site, My apologies to you for mis speaking guywhofishes, I did not take the time to reread the posts in the thread and indeed mis spoke. I am truly ashamed that I committed this aggregious error and will try harder in the future to to not mis speak. Please allow me ot move on from this terrible mistake asking your forgiveness and mercy.

Now, no need to cross any bridge, just explain your animals live on pixie dust theory a little better.

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I'm not sure why gst picks on me. You'd think he'd be nicer to a fellow western ND landowner.

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Oh guywhowhineslikeliberalbob, I just find a bit of amusement in some of your posts that tend to jumpstart the sarcasm response. If you truly think I am "picking on you", perhaps knowing under those liberal standards I "pick on" other "western landowners" as well will ease your sensibilites.

 

[Radar13]

I must ask, were u hunting doves in the ghetto?? Was it with thee big ole $$ chain or the classic 5 knuckle gold ring style??

It was east of Bismarck. The first thing he said " is this F&%*ing shit starting already and was hopeing I could shoot better then I could read"

 

[johnr]

Corn hole

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Allen said,
Errr, I believe your premise is completely false. Ever hear of sportsmans clubs, Pheasants Forever, Mule Deer Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, etc, etc? How can those memberships, mostly filled with hunters who care about the resource, be unconcerned about the public resources?

These non-profits also hand out a free decal with membership. It should be required that members "post" the decal on their windshield. When one of those pulls into my yard, that's when I have my fun.

 

[Kurtr]

These non-profits also hand out a free decal with membership. It should be required that members "post" the decal on their windshield. When one of those pulls into my yard, that's when I have my fun.

Not all the orgs are ran the same. So lumping them all together is like saying all farmers would be broke without gov't subsidies and all hunters are slobs.

 

[johnr]

I have a pheasants forever sign in the back window of my pickup, and proudly support the SW ND chapter. So do most of the farmers/ranchers that lands I hunt.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

You are right KurtR. They shouldn't be lumped together. Members at the local chapters are regular joes. I attend myself. The banquet is a fun night. Good food, drinks and try to win a gun. But when the night is over how many of us pay attention to what the national org is doing?

They started some initiated measures the last couple of years that were not well received. They need some local sportsmen in their board meetings to tell the National........hey, those are some very poor ideas. Local sportmen need to take back some control because these national non-governmental orgs (wink wink) are dividing sportsmen/landowner relationships.

 

[deleted_account]

I have a decal on the back window of my pickup that says "I support all things ag" and then under that it has the website "rapeandpillage.org" needless to say I don't have a problem getting on primo private land. All it takes is monthly payments of 29.99 to be a member (plus tax for some reason) and you too can support our movement against the mule deer foundation, pheasants forever, du (they gay, no seriously), and the rocky Mountain elk foundation. We thank you for your support.

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*the above statement is not factual, it was all very tongue in cheek humor. So gst and fritz, no need to get panties bunched. Cuz that sucks

 

[Rut2much]

I am now dummer

 

[Kurtr]

You are right KurtR. They shouldn't be lumped together. Members at the local chapters are regular joes. I attend myself. The banquet is a fun night. Good food, drinks and try to win a gun. But when the night is over how many of us pay attention to what the national org is doing?

They started some initiated measures the last couple of years that were not well received. They need some local sportsmen in their board meetings to tell the National........hey, those are some very poor ideas. Local sportmen need to take back some control because these national non-governmental orgs (wink wink) are dividing sportsmen/landowner relationships.

This i agree with some of them are to big and need to get back to the roots of what they were intended for and local control would do more good for everyone

 

[gst]

I have a decal on the back window of my pickup that says "I support all things ag" and then under that it has the website "rapeandpillage.org" needless to say I don't have a problem getting on primo private land. All it takes is monthly payments of 29.99 to be a member (plus tax for some reason) and you too can support our movement against the mule deer foundation, pheasants forever, du (they gay, no seriously), and the rocky Mountain elk foundation. We thank you for your support.

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*the above statement is not factual, it was all very tongue in cheek humor. So gst and fritz, no need to get panties bunched. Cuz that sucks

Ah wags, it sounds as if you speak from experience regarding ones panties? No need to worry, I appreciate sarcasm as much as anyone.

Kurt, that brings up a question I would ask during the last M 5 discussion, where is a ND convention whereby national policy can be discussed and formated for any of these nonprofit orgs? There is none. "Send in your monies and shut the hell up, us fellas from various corporations that do this kinda stuff will appoint our buddies and determine policy relating to you peons hunting and will decide how to spend your monies. "

There are local groups, we have a local Mouse River Loop Pheasants that keeps ALL the monies local and has no affiliation and puts them back into great projects and opportunities for our youth. Farmers, ranchers, businessmen, employees at the local Cenex, ect..........all work together to make this a great org and a success. My sons have raised birds for them for a few years now. Great group.

But these groups are far different than most of the ones people join without really knowing the end game or who is involved. Because often as I mentioned before, that "end game" is what pushes the pendelum to far the other way.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Wags,

What I said is, when someone asks me to hunt having a NGO decal in their window, that is when I have my "fun." Then you responded.

See how that works?

This year I didn't put up any No Hunting signs. My rented farm land is open to hunting but the land I own is all high fence. If someone crawls over that and chooses to hunt with rutting bull elk........well, that might be a bad idea.

 

[deleted member]

tell me more about this pheasant club please. we've got a bit of habitat in our area that could support at least 2 birds and i've got half dozen neighbors willing to throw some money at the problem every spring. aside from habitat, what else do you do? after much discussion with a few folks... mostly on this site... it sounds like i need to start buying roosters and bred hens in the spring. where do you guys buy yours?

oh... and on the all land posted question: i like it just fine. most landowners who actually give two shits about who is on their land will take the time to post it. those that don't, don't for a reason. they don't care and hate being pestered with annoying yard visits and phone calls.

along the lines of guys idea... i definitely think we need an app for that. voluntary sign up from land owners. maybe a small fee from hunters. scan the bar code on the sign, or pull it up on the app's map, it would show the landowner, the type of hunting allowed, when hunting is allowed, it woudl keep track who is using the land, when they are using it or have used it, maybe you could reserve it the night before after a successful scout, it would only allow X number on in any one time period (day, week, month) all of the options would be completely controllable by the landowner and editable at any time and the small proceeds could got towards the landowners... maybe even based on the amount of usage the land gets. lots of ways to do this. who is the code whisperer on this site? BTW... consider this my patent notice.