TR 'Library', Yea or Nay?

[Allen]

Would I be far off the mark if I thought the Medora Foundation was somehow involved?

 

[Duckslayer100]

"Hey kids! Big news. We know we've been planning a family vacation for years and this is it! We're going to the hap-hap-happiest place on the planet! No, not Disney World -- Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library in Medora, North Dakota!!!

"Also, Santa isn't real, the burden of our national debt will likely fall on your shoulders, and your mother and I once made love on your bunkbed while you guys were visiting gradnma and grandpa for the weekend.

"Have a great day!!"

 

[Brian Renville]

It’s going to take more than that every year just to pay folks to let people hunt on their land soon so either the library is a bargain by comparison or they state better start saving up. :;:stirthepot

 

[guywhofishes]

Duck... I'm afraid we've rubbed off on you. You used to be so glass-half-full.

I'm sorry.

 

[Wags2.0]

dont get me started on the medora musical. I was forced to go once. The steak was good. I would rather get sack tapped 100 times than go to that damn show again though. buncha fruits running around in fake cowboy gear in our wonderful badlands. Long walk to get a beer too

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i realize that has nothing to do with the original post. I just really hate musicals. Sorry for derailing

 

[Ruttin]

No.

 

[Honkerherms]

Absolutely NOT! NAY! NAY! NAY! This is wrong for building a legacy!


Honkerherms
Jeff

 

[Retired Educator]

From what I'm reading someone has the wrong idea of a Presidential Library. The ones I have been too aren't libraries in the sense of what your school or public library is. I would class them more as a museum or a history of that president's life. I find them extremely interesting to visit and read and see in detail what that president did besides just being a president.

Yes, $50 million is a lot to spend and I'm not sure if it will ever pay for itself. It wasn't long ago that there was a bill to change the nickname of the state to "Roughrider State" in honor of President Roosevelt. Didn't pass but it's quite common to claim this former president as one of our own based on the time he spent in the state and his claim that this state made him what he eventually became. What better place to have his library/museum.

There can be some argument of taxpayer's money. More precisely the money in the Legacy Fund is "oil money." Not collected from individual taxpayers in the form of income tax or sales tax or property tax. A person could argue that the money could be used to reduce one of the aforementioned taxes but it was not collected from most taxpayers, only from the oil companies.

I expect to get blasted for my beliefs on this matter but do have to emphasis that I am one who finds presidential libraries as very interesting. I say "Bully" for building this in ND.

 

[Davy Crockett]

We have wants and we have needs, I feel that kind of money could be better spent on needs. For about 6 cents on a Dollar though we could build and maintain the biggest and the best North Dakota based online Theodore Roosevelt library in the world.

 

[reddevilwoodsman]

From what I'm reading someone has the wrong idea of a Presidential Library. The ones I have been too aren't libraries in the sense of what your school or public library is. I would class them more as a museum or a history of that president's life. I find them extremely interesting to visit and read and see in detail what that president did besides just being a president.

Yes, $50 million is a lot to spend and I'm not sure if it will ever pay for itself. It wasn't long ago that there was a bill to change the nickname of the state to "Roughrider State" in honor of President Roosevelt. Didn't pass but it's quite common to claim this former president as one of our own based on the time he spent in the state and his claim that this state made him what he eventually became. What better place to have his library/museum.

There can be some argument of taxpayer's money. More precisely the money in the Legacy Fund is "oil money." Not collected from individual taxpayers in the form of income tax or sales tax or property tax. A person could argue that the money could be used to reduce one of the aforementioned taxes but it was not collected from most taxpayers, only from the oil companies.

I expect to get blasted for my beliefs on this matter but do have to emphasis that I am one who finds presidential libraries as very interesting. I say "Bully" for building this in ND.

I'm a native North Dakotan and I totally agree.

 

[Petras]

It will not be profitable. If I'm not mistaken, the 50million from tax payers is actually ear marked for operating and maintenance costs.... If it was a profitable venture, the $50 million wouldn't be necessary.

 

[dean nelson]

Most of the library's are publicly and privately founded then once up and running donated to the federal government for them to flip the bill for running it and maintaining it.

 

[Brian Renville]

Maybe lets say the hell with TR and go full speed ahead with promoting "North Dakota The Lawrence Welk State" polka and bubbles all around. Louis L'Amour library instead? That would be as cheap as hitting the bargain bin at the pawn shop. :;:huh My guess is if they said let's take 200 million of the legacy fund and build new and adequate county and city/town roads in oil producing counties 90% of the voting landmass would say no to that also and be plenty loud about it.

 

[Allen]

Not collected from individual taxpayers in the form of income tax or sales tax or property tax. A person could argue that the money could be used to reduce one of the aforementioned taxes but it was not collected from most taxpayers, only from the oil companies.[/U]

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Umm, that is not a "belief" so much as it is a total misunderstanding of who pays the oil taxes in this state. Those are indeed monies collected from fellow North Dakotans.

 

[AR-15]

What's the Governor and his wife going to make on this go broke venture?

 

[FishFinder97]

NO! Huge waste of money

 

[tikkalover]

No for me!

This is from the KMOT web site.

Will visitors have a place to stay when Theodore Roosevelt library is built?

We’ve read the viewer comments on the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library for months. There’s been a lot of them and it has been a mixed reaction at best after the legislature voted to move forward on the $150 million dollar project, committing $50 million into an endowment fund for operating costs.
Sara Otte-Coleman, the state’s tourism director, says right now, the numbers they’re working with for expected visitors is 125,000. Is there enough hotel space to handle that many people?
Here’s what we found:
THE FORMULA
Based on 2018 data provided by the Dickinson Conventions and Visitors Bureau, there are 1,732 hotel rooms in Dickinson. We got the occupancy rates for each month, May-November, and calculated how many people they could accommodate using the formula below. We assumed there would be no growth in occupancy rates from 2018 to 2019:

• Total number of rooms minus rooms occupied by month = Available rooms.
• Available rooms multiplied by the days in the month = the max number of rooms in a month

. Assume two people per room, multiplied by the max room number and you get the max turnover rate for a month. This means every day, all the rooms in Dickinson would be replaced with a brand new group of people.


We also multiplied by half the number of days in a month, meaning there would be complete turnover every two days. Months with 31, May, July, August, and October, days were rounded up to 16 for the two-day formula.
THE RESULTS
May
1,732 - 831 (occupancy of 48 percent) = 901 rooms
901 x 31 days = 27,931 maximum available rooms for the month of May
27,931 x 2 people per room = 55,862 people who could move through Dickinson hotels in a month
Using the every two-day formula, 901 x 16 = 14,416 maximum rooms, multiplied by 2 people per room = 28,832 people.
June
1,732 - 1,073 (occupancy of 62 percent) = 659 rooms
659 x 30 days = 19,770 maximum rooms for June
19,770 x 2 people per room = 39,540 people
Using the two-day formula, 659 x 15= 9,885 maximum rooms for June, multiplied by 2 people per room = 19,770 people.
July
1,732-1,160 (occupancy of 67 percent) = 572 rooms
572 x 31 days = 17,732 maximum rooms for July
17,732 x 2 people per room= 35,464 people

Using the two-day formula, 572 rooms x 16= 9,152 rooms for July, multiplied by 2 people per room = 18,304 people.
August
1,732-1,229 (occupancy of 71 percent) = 503 rooms
503 x 31 days = 15,593 maximum rooms for August
15,593 x 2 people per room = 31,186 people
Using the two-day formula, 503 rooms x 16= 16,096 maximum rooms for August, multiplied by 2 people per room = 16,096 people.
September
1,732 - 1,108 (occupancy of 64 percent) = 624 rooms
624 x 30 days = 18,720 maximum rooms for September
18,720 x 2 people per room= 37,440 people
Using the two-day formula, 624 rooms x 15= 9,360 maximum rooms for September, multiplied by 2 people per room= 18,720 people.
October
1,732- 1,021 (occupancy of 59 percent) = 711 rooms
711 x 31 days= 22,041 maximum rooms for October
22,041 x 2 people per room= 44,082 people
Using the two-day formula, 711 rooms x 16= 11,376 maximum rooms for October, multiplied by 2 people per room = 22,752 people.


November
1,732 - 883 (occupancy of 51 percent) = 849 rooms
849 x 30 days = 25,740 maximum rooms for November
25,740 x 2 people per room= 50,940 people
Using the two-day formula, 849 x 15= 12,735 maximum rooms for November, multiplied by 2 people per room = 25,740 people.
SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Here’s the importance of everything above.
The city of Dickinson is the closest large city to Medora. If they can’t handle the expected number of people, then there’s a hotel infrastructure problem.
Using the math above, we conclude Dickinson alone can easily handle 125,000 visitors if every hotel room was filled with 2 new people every day from May through November.
If the turnover is every two days through the same time frame, the maximum accommodation would be 150,214 people. Any expansion in non-library business requiring hotel rooms could cut into available inventory. So could a true number of visitors above the 125,000 estimate.
This study excluded rooms available in Belfield and Medora, and couldn’t take into account any potential hotels that may come to the region as a result of the project.

Who the fuck figured this out, the governor himself?? ;:;rofl What a joke. ;:;banghead Yep, I bet developers will be flocking to Medora to build multimillion dollar motels because of a library.

 

[tikkalover]

Proposed Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library bill signed into law

BISMARCK, N.D. - Gov. Doug Burgum and state legislators who voted to create a $50 million endowment for the proposed Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library signed the bill into law.

Burgum says the endowment will be held by the state Department of Trust Lands. The fund's earnings will be used for operations and maintenance of the library and museum, only after the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Foundation has raised or secured binding pledges for $100 million.

“I want everybody to understand, this is a legacy project. I want to repeat that, this is a legacy project,” said Sen. Rich Wardner., R-Dickinson.

Burgum noted that no dollars will be appropriated from next biennium's general fund revenues or Legacy Fund earnings, so the project did not compete with any 2019-21 appropriations.

They spend our money like it isn't their own....................oh wait it isn't!! ;:;banghead