Access

[Walleye_Chaser]

So the people that make sure the people that are cornering are reported do they also call in complaints about any airplanes that fly over their land too ?

Good point, it just shows how corrupt and ridiculous that law is.

 

[Kurtr]

you can use a helicopter

 

[dean nelson]

So the people that make sure the people that are cornering are reported do they also call in complaints about any airplanes that fly over their land too ?

Well if the plane was below 360 feet they definitely could.

 

[gst]

Jesus you're exhausting. No. I didn't miss the point. Yes. I understand where you're coming from. It's not that tough. You're pretty simple. Or is it simpleton? Anyway, I'm doing my best to not fall for the old gst redirect bait. All I said was this thread is about a specific issue. Opening landlocked parcels. The closing of motorized access to accessible lands is an issue. And I recognize that. But THIS SPECIFIC THREAD is about opening up landlocked parcels. And like others have stated, I will worry about that when I'm too old to carry my camp on my back. In the meantime I'll be a selfish a-hole and be ok with the fact that these areas are open to foot and horse traffic only.

Holy, and all I said is it is kind of going against simple logic for groups to push for access TO public lands while ignoring the reduction of access WITHIN public lands.

Nice "I don;t give a shit until it impacts me" mentality though. Guess our "public lands" are only for those public you deem worthy and fit.

Maybe these private land owners should just allow foot and horse traffic to the public land that only allows foot and horse traffic as well.

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I have no issue with reaching agreements to access public lands, but it seems less than logical to better access TO public lands when the govt is closing access WITHIN public lands..........

from my first post. Notice the statement about THIS SPECIFIC THREAD of accessing public lands via private. Man you girls are touchy today.

 

[SDMF]

Maybe these private land owners should just allow foot and horse traffic to the public land that only allows foot and horse traffic as well.

That sort of thing is already in place in some areas of MT I've hunted. 3mi hike in up a creek until you get to the sign that says you can start hunting. You can access via foot or pack animal, no motorized access. It's been that way up that particular drainage since at least 2002.

 

[Rowdie]

Would be great to see some of the island chunks of public be opened up. Even if a guy could corner cross, that would make a massive difference.

They should amend this to allow corner cross!!

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Congress created the Land Water Conservation Fund back in 1964. It can be funded up to $900 million but doesn't have to be. It has only been fully funded twice. The funding mechanism is oil and gas lease money.

This may be a good Bill or way to gain access. Probably money well spent.

However, the LWCF can also purchase land taking it out of private domain/production. In 1998 they spent the entire budget of $900 million acquiring land. Hmm

On Sept. 30th 2015 the LWCF ACT expired. It was extended for three years and will expire Sept. 30th 2018. I believe the Trump Administration is going to let the 1964 Act.........sunset. Odious

 

[PrairieGhost]

How about no corner hopping of public land to private property do you think anyone would complain about that? The landowners would go bat shit crazy, but screwing the public is ok.

 

[gst]

You should go out and take that up with the Montana legislature plainsman. Say as an older fella that might not be able to carry his camp on his back, how do you feel about those that are okay with the govt "screwing the public" by closing access roads within these public lands?

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That sort of thing is already in place in some areas of MT I've hunted. 3mi hike in up a creek until you get to the sign that says you can start hunting. You can access via foot or pack animal, no motorized access. It's been that way up that particular drainage since at least 2002.

Ya one area we used to hunt had an area to park your trailer than it was about a 2 mile ride on private land to where public land began.

Guess that fella wasn;t trying to "screw the public".

 

[Kurtr]

After having been hunting the back country is not for every body. You have to want it put in the time or have the stock to do it. It falls under one of those life just aint fair things not every one can or is willing to put in the time or resources needed. I know my time is coming where i will not be able to go any more and to keep places that are wild i dont think we need more roads. Give people a way to access it non motorized and i am happy. I am not opposed to letting timber be cut and used to keep fires in check but then those roads they use can just be let go and not turned into new roads each time. I like to think when i am way back in a place it might be the first time a human has set foot here (most likely not true). If a land owner grants a easement but it is non motorized only it is his land he is letting us cross so i am more than happy to abide by what he wants.

 

[eyexer]

in the states with all the land locked public land there is an opportunity for someone to run a helicopter business to get to this land. in Alaska 99% of the land is only accessible by air. I'm all for gaining easements but I'm pointing out why hasn't someone with business savvy been delivering people via rotorcraft

 

[Stan's Dad]

You should go out and take that up with the Montana legislature plainsman. Say as an older fella that might not be able to carry his camp on his back, how do you feel about those that are okay with the govt "screwing the public" by closing access roads within these public lands?

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Ya one area we used to hunt had an area to park your trailer than it was about a 2 mile ride on private land to where public land began.

Guess that fella wasn;t trying to "screw the public".

you hunt(ed)?

 

[Kurtr]

in the states with all the land locked public land there is an opportunity for someone to run a helicopter business to get to this land. in Alaska 99% of the land is only accessible by air. I'm all for gaining easements but I'm pointing out why hasn't someone with business savvy been delivering people via rotorcraft

there already are. Randy Newberg did a show a few years back using one of the services in montana

 

[gst]

After having been hunting the back country is not for every body. You have to want it put in the time or have the stock to do it. It falls under one of those life just aint fair things not every one can or is willing to put in the time or resources needed. I know my time is coming where i will not be able to go any more and to keep places that are wild i dont think we need more roads. Give people a way to access it non motorized and i am happy. I am not opposed to letting timber be cut and used to keep fires in check but then those roads they use can just be let go and not turned into new roads each time. I like to think when i am way back in a place it might be the first time a human has set foot here (most likely not true). If a land owner grants a easement but it is non motorized only it is his land he is letting us cross so i am more than happy to abide by what he wants.

Kurt, these are not "new" roads, they are established access roads that are being closed. Literally tens of thousands of miles of them all across our "public" lands.

Maybe it is just me, but when people complain about "access" be it public or private, and yet say nothing about the govt closing tens of thousands of miles of "access" impacting literally millions of acres .........well I just scratch my head.

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you hunt(ed)?

I likely hunt/hunted as much as most on this site.

 

[Kurtr]

After being out there i would say there are to many. Roads going to designated trail heads are whats needed all the others that just run off and shoot all over cost alot to maintain and serve no real purpose. I would rather have less better maintained roads than more less maintained roads. I dont want more wilderness or nm as those dont allow management of the areas at all and getting those designations is what is taking alot of the roads out. The numbers are also skewed as lots of those roads that are being "closed" are un passable any way.

 

[gst]

The roads being closed are exactly what is adding to the mismanagement of these public lands and the significant increase in catastrophic level fires.

Many of the roads leading to trail heads are the ones being closed. Not only are roads being closed by motorized traffic is being prohibited............including snowmobiles.

access is access. We each have our ideas about what it should be, but it is undeniable the govt under the last few presidents as been closing access of public lands to the public.

 

[Lycanthrope]

you can use a helicopter

or hovercraft, just dont touch the ground!

 

[PrairieGhost]

Maybe it is just me, but when people complain about "access" be it public or private, and yet say nothing about the govt closing tens of thousands of miles of "access" impacting literally millions of acres .........well I just scratch my head.

Seriously do you read any of my posts?
In the past I hiked in miles to hunt. Today with meds for AFib and a stent it's tough to get into the backcountry, but where there is a will there is a way. Scapegoat Wilderness four days ago:

 

[Walleye_Chaser]

I approve of this photo!

 

[gst]

Plainsman nice lookin country, I have covered many a mile on horse back hunting out west, it is something I enjoy very much. Not everyone has the animals, equipment or desire to use horses. Should they be restricted from accessing our "public" lands?

I would be willing to bet you a steak dinner, that you have posted FAR more threads complaining about access to public and private lands than you ever have posted regarding the govt closing access within public lands.

If you wish to copy and paste the threads you have started about that please do......if any exist.

Once again I simply fail to find the logic or common sense in groups that push for access TO public lands, yet remain silent when access is taken away WITHIN public lands.