Deer Licenses

[Davy Crockett]

Nope, Kids are grown and grandkids are not old enough to hunt yet.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Ok, fair enough

1,874 residents had both gratis deer and a bow tag - these are now freed up tags.
6,940 residents had both a deer lottery and a deer bow tags. - these are now freed up tags.

for a total of 8814 which is the number you came up with.

BUT, since archery is now included. We MUST include the bow only guys as well.

That's another 6,235 people that bought bow licenses did not apply for gun tags that now have to put in for the lottery.


so now it's down to 2579 that could get a tag that didn't before.

This is assuming that the bow only guys get drawn every year. Which we know probably wouldn't happen but is a worse case scenario - or best case depending on who you ask.

So if the archery tags were left out of the lottery would there would have been 8814 more hunters in the field ? Or fairly close to that number ?
I'm guessing there might have to be a correction factor at some point since some multiple tag holders sometimes only harvest one animal , Maybe , Maybe not we don't actually know the deer numbers anyway. Is this the way it was proposed before ?

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Found my answer on post # 137

 

[jdinny]

2nd lottery will be run this week per an email to GF. If you want to get the kids grandkids out I can almost guarantee there’s some leftover. Again your may have to travel but if your so concerned about their future I think that is a rather small price to pay. As far as land I hunt all public for my bucks and hunt with 30 miles of Bismarck on private land for does yep I knocked on doors and yep I can harvest does whenever I have the tag just never bucks and you know what I’m good with that. It’s a place to take my kids within 30 miles and fill my freezer. It seems you say it’s about the kids but are. It willing to travel a bit? Just confused on that one

 

[JMF]

2nd lottery will be run this week per an email to GF. If you want to get the kids grandkids out I can almost guarantee there’s some leftover. Again your may have to travel but if your so concerned about their future I think that is a rather small price to pay. As far as land I hunt all public for my bucks and hunt with 30 miles of Bismarck on private land for does yep I knocked on doors and yep I can harvest does whenever I have the tag just never bucks and you know what I’m good with that. It’s a place to take my kids within 30 miles and fill my freezer. It seems you say it’s about the kids but are. It willing to travel a bit? Just confused on that one

Davey has already admitted he wants them to have buck tags.

 

[jdinny]

Davey has already admitted he wants them to have buck tags.

my oversight I will admit I did not take the time to read the entire thread.

 

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I kind of find this whole argument entertaining, not just for the parties involved, but because I feel like we're looking at the issue in a bizzare fashion. People are arguing over how to allocating the licenses we have. Some want it to remain the same, others want it changed. It's hunter against hunter in the age-old debates that our grandfathers and great grandfathers have had (it some way or form).

But what I truly find funny is that we're arguing over the tags themselves -- not the deer. We're talking about how to raise the amount of opportunities based on the current deer herd. Not once has anyone asked "well how do we get more deer so there's more opportunity?"

It's like, we're so used to the status quo that nobody even entertains the notion that we could somehow get our deer herds back to the way they were just 10 years ago.

Boggles my mind, really. We keep talking about opportunities for kids and family. Basically, planning for their future. Don't you guys see the irony in all this??

great post! Agreed we need more HABITAT! But how many of us here are willing to reach into our own pocketbooks or vote for any new habitat producing measures? Or are we just spinning our collective wheels here with feel good talk and expecting things to increase deer or pheasant numbers to suddenly appear, like manna from Heaven? Agreeing with you 100% but just saying......

 

[jdinny]

duckslayer, solid post
missed that in my skimming of the thread...

 

[DirtyMike]

Between this and the waterfowl thread, you'd believe its winter out there. Good Lord people.

 

[jdinny]

Between this and the waterfowl thread, you'd believe its winter out there. Good Lord people.

I had to search what thread your talking about haha o boy that's a good one;:;popcorn

 

[Kurtr]

February is going to be epic this year

 

[Whisky]

Interesting fact.....Every time I look back at this poll I see the side of "keep things as is" always increasing.

 

[8andcounting]

Interesting fact.....Every time I look back at this poll I see the side of "keep things as is" always increasing.

Thats cuz people that think with common sense know that the system is just fine

 

[Davy Crockett]

great post! Agreed we need more HABITAT! But how many of us here are willing to reach into our own pocketbooks or vote for any new habitat producing measures? Or are we just spinning our collective wheels here with feel good talk and expecting things to increase deer or pheasant numbers to suddenly appear, like manna from Heaven? Agreeing with you 100% but just saying......

Spot on. Loss of habitat is where the problem evolves, I am doing everything I can in that department but in the big scheme of things habitat loss is an uncontrollable to me, I'll do whatever I can to promote and support it but I can only do so much. . There are controllables and uncontrollables, A more controllable option is to stand up for what I think is right in equal tag distribution. Sorry boys if you can't see it the way I do but when we were kids we didn't have much. One thing that will install in you is that if there are 5 kids at the table and only 5 hamburgers in the pan nobody gets two.

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One step further, Nobody felt entitled to have more than one.

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My opinion is considered the social aspect, Just like the poll ,It's a wash. I have a feeling the biological reason is just around the corner. It is what it is, we don't have to conquer and divide we need to work together and find middle ground.

 

[Kurtr]

You and your kids can have your one hamburger you just choose not to. Bow tag choices have consequences and by choosing not to take advantage of the opportunity afforded to you it means you might not get the double bacon cheeseburger rifle tag

 

[Davy Crockett]

Right over your head , Let's try this way. You and your kids hunt South Dakota and me and My kids hunt North Dakota. I won't tell you guys how to hunt and You don't tell us how to hunt and we will get along just fine. Become a ND resident and then I might give two shits about you trying to tell me how to hunt. Wait... Changed my mind, I still won't .

 

[Kurtr]

Just calling a spade a spade you old bitch

 

[Davy Crockett]

And so am I

 

[Kurtr]

if you tell your self something enough I guess it becomes truth. I like how you like logic and science when it comes to weed but not deer tags......worlds not fair opportunities are there if willing to take them...

 

[DirtyMike]

You guys have the same opportunity to bag a deer every year as every other resident of ND. The same opportunity to go to a grocery store to buy your meat. If you're only able to kill a deer with a rifle, I can see the frustration. However, even if you're disabled in any capacity, you can get a doctor's note for a crossbow. They're closer to a rifle than a bow anyhow. If your argument is simply that you can't hunt because you didn't draw a rifle tag, then your point is moot and you'll find no sympathy from the vast majority of ND outdoorsman. Have fun voting for ocasio-cortez.

 

[dust in the wind]

One thing that will install in you is that if there are 5 kids at the table and only 5 hamburgers in the pan nobody gets two.

So.... the adults went without a hamburger ..... :;:stirthepot:;:sorry





Just for clarification, right now, I don't feel any changes are necessary. We stressed that changes shouldn't be made for social reasons which was the case a few years ago.

Habitat was mentioned as key component to getting deer numbers higher. How many years would it take for new shelter belts to get to the point of being helpful? Grass and CRP - a year maybe two. How long after that would it take for deer numbers to rebound enough to get back to 70,000 tags available for the lottery. My point is, that it will take a few years for that to happen.

BUT....

What's going to happen if we get nailed with a bad winter or two or some kind of widespread disease before that happens and deer numbers drop again?


There's your biological reason for changing how tags are handled.

Just to repeat a response I had gotten from the G&F from December 2017:
Do the archery tags being issued today, have any impact on the number of licenses available for rifle tags/gratis tags? It’s possible but probably not a big factor at this point. We use several different methods to determine how many deer tags to issue each year, are the number of deer being harvested by archers making a difference in the overall number of deer on the landscape which would then make a difference in the number of licenses being issued for gun tags? A number of years ago I would say that answer was most definitely a no, but the harvest associated with archery hunting has also increased a fair amount over the last 10 years to where we can no longer say that number is insignificant.

IF number of archery tag purchases remain the same or more people continue to get into bow hunting and the success stays about the same or increases - again their success rate for archery is another discussion - archery tags/success will become a contributing factor.

It's a lot of what if's but it can also explain some of the chats I've had.


Hopefully changes won't be necessary down the road and we can get back to where we need to be and everyone can take part in the opportunities they want to.