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[KDM]

You cant get a 1/3 of people on here to agree on anyone topic. Let alone try get people to vote a certain way.

Too many on here like to cause conflict and strife regardless of the topic just because they like conflict and strife. I would not use this platform as any kind of political indicator. That's just me though.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Davey, not to pick on ya but your statement of " as simple as that " and our Government, those 2 just don't go together.
I say we use what the State is hoarding away for money towards taxes and put our legislators feet to the fire to get they're ducks in a row and figure it out or boot their asses out of office. We keep putting them in there and 90% of it is just because of name recognition on the ballots.

no problem ws , I didn't feel picked on one bit. I had to look at what you were referring to. What I meant by that is just how it reads, what has been tried has not worked in the past. Someone needs to write a common sense initiated measure and get it on the ballot. I should have said Nothing else that I can think of will work other than that. They need to be forced to take action.
I hate taxes just as much as the next guy and I have less faith than most that legislature will do the right thing.

I agree, I don't like taxes either. My point is somebody needs to get involved and write a bill with a Straight foreward prognosis that the majority will embrace. Legislature doesn't have a good track record of helping reduce taxes , and the majority of them do what THEY want ,what makes you think that has changed ? They need to be forced to comply with a well thought out plan. It's as simple as that, and the ONLY reason that poorly written bill failed.

Iv'e never signed a document in my life that I am bound to by law and have no idea what it contains. I don't feel a bit bad about that.

 

[Davy Crockett]

You cant get a 1/3 of people on here to agree on anyone topic. Let alone try get people to vote a certain way.

I'd dare say close to 100% of the property owners would agree that they dislike paying property tax and would vote to abolish them IF there was a measure that was written with some common sense. The only problem we have is that hasn't happened yet . The only people that I can imagine voting against it would be renters .

 

[Sluggo]

Courtesy of ChatGPT:

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Proposed Constitutional Measure​

Amendment to Prohibit Ad Valorem Taxation of Primary Residences​

Be It Enacted by the People of the State of North Dakota:​

Section 1. New Section to Article X​

A new section is created and added to Article X of the Constitution of North Dakota to read:

Section __. Prohibition on Ad Valorem Taxation of Primary Residences.​

1. Beginning January 1 following adoption of this amendment, neither the State of North Dakota nor any political subdivision, including counties, cities, townships, school districts, park districts, fire districts, or any other taxing authority, may levy or collect any tax upon a person's primary residence that is calculated using the assessed, appraised, estimated, or market value of that residence.
2. For purposes of this section, "primary residence" means the dwelling owned and occupied by a North Dakota resident as that person's principal place of residence and qualifying for any homestead classification or exemption established by law. The Legislative Assembly may establish reasonable standards to determine primary residence but may not narrow the definition in a manner that substantially impairs the protections of this section.
3. Nothing in this section prohibits:
   • (a) Special assessments imposed solely to finance specific local improvements that directly benefit the property;
   • (b) Fees charged in exchange for a specific governmental service provided to the property owner;
   • (c) Taxes imposed on income, sales, use, gross receipts, excise transactions, or other forms of taxation not based upon the assessed value of the primary residence;
   • (d) Property taxes on real property that is not a primary residence, including commercial, industrial, agricultural, rental, vacation, or investment property.
4. The Legislative Assembly may enact laws necessary to implement this section, provided those laws do not authorize taxation of a primary residence based upon its assessed, appraised, estimated, or market value.
5. Any law, ordinance, regulation, or policy inconsistent with this section is void to the extent of the inconsistency.
6. This section is self-executing.

Section 2. Effective Date​

This amendment becomes effective on January 1 of the calendar year following its approval by the voters.

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Suggested Ballot Title​

Constitutional Measure

This measure would amend the North Dakota Constitution to prohibit state and local governments from imposing property taxes on an owner's primary residence based on the property's assessed or market value. The measure would continue to allow special assessments, user fees, and property taxes on commercial, agricultural, rental, vacation, and other non-primary residential property.

Yes — A "Yes" vote prohibits property taxes based on assessed value for a taxpayer's primary residence.

No — A "No" vote retains the current property tax system.

One additional improvement you may want to consider is adding a requirement that any replacement revenue for local governments come from state general fund revenues rather than authorizing new local taxes. That would make the amendment much harder to circumvent by simply replacing property taxes with another local tax.

 

[Sluggo]

Everyone of us could email that to our legislators. ^^^

 

[Davy Crockett]

We should all just vote for whomever is running other than the incumbents to show them we aren't f**king around anymore. Don't think it could be any worse for a few yrs

We need some new blood in our legislation for sure .

 

[Davy Crockett]

Everyone of us could email that to our legislators. ^^^

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right but It seems like they could still tax our primary residence just not based on valuation. So they could do a blanket tax and tax all homeowners the same amount and still get our money.

 

[Sluggo]

Revised to no property tax on primary residence.

Proposed Constitutional Measure​

Amendment to Exempt Primary Residences from Property Taxation​

Be It Enacted by the People of the State of North Dakota:​

Section 1. New Section to Article X​

A new section is created and added to Article X of the Constitution of North Dakota to read:

Section __. Exemption of Primary Residences from Property Taxation.​

1. Beginning January 1 following adoption of this amendment, no property tax shall be levied or collected by the State of North Dakota or any political subdivision, including any county, city, township, school district, park district, fire district, or other taxing authority, on a person's primary residence.
2. For purposes of this section, "primary residence" means the dwelling owned and occupied by a North Dakota resident as that person's principal place of residence. The Legislative Assembly may establish reasonable standards for determining a person's primary residence, provided those standards do not substantially impair the exemption created by this section.
3. This exemption applies to the residence and the land upon which it is situated, up to a reasonable acreage limit established by law for residential use.
4. Nothing in this section prohibits:
   • (a) Special assessments imposed solely to finance specific local improvements that directly benefit the property;
   • (b) Fees charged in exchange for specific governmental services provided to the property owner;
   • (c) Property taxes on real property that is not a primary residence, including commercial, industrial, agricultural, rental, vacation, or investment property.
5. The Legislative Assembly shall enact laws necessary to implement this section and may provide procedures to prevent fraud or abuse, but may not diminish or impair the exemption established by this section.
6. This section is self-executing. Any law, ordinance, regulation, or policy inconsistent with this section is void to the extent of the inconsistency.

Section 2. Effective Date​

This amendment becomes effective on January 1 of the calendar year following its approval by the voters.

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Suggested Ballot Title​

Constitutional Measure

This measure would amend the North Dakota Constitution to exempt an owner's primary residence from all property taxation by the state and its political subdivisions. The exemption would apply only to a taxpayer's primary residence and would not apply to commercial, agricultural, rental, vacation, or other non-primary residential property. Special assessments and fees for specific services would remain permitted.

Yes — A "Yes" vote exempts primary residences from all property taxes.

No — A "No" vote retains the current property tax system.

 

[Davy Crockett]

How are specials currently applied and the limitations on what qualifies as a special ? Could the sneaky buggers legally add general maintenance to the specials if there arn't limitations.

 

[Davy Crockett]

Revised to no property tax on primary residence.

Proposed Constitutional Measure​

Amendment to Exempt Primary Residences from Property Taxation​

Be It Enacted by the People of the State of North Dakota:​

Section 1. New Section to Article X​

A new section is created and added to Article X of the Constitution of North Dakota to read:

Section __. Exemption of Primary Residences from Property Taxation.​

1. Beginning January 1 following adoption of this amendment, no property tax shall be levied or collected by the State of North Dakota or any political subdivision, including any county, city, township, school district, park district, fire district, or other taxing authority, on a person's primary residence.
2. For purposes of this section, "primary residence" means the dwelling owned and occupied by a North Dakota resident as that person's principal place of residence. The Legislative Assembly may establish reasonable standards for determining a person's primary residence, provided those standards do not substantially impair the exemption created by this section.
3. This exemption applies to the residence and the land upon which it is situated, up to a reasonable acreage limit established by law for residential use.
4. Nothing in this section prohibits:
   • (a) Special assessments imposed solely to finance specific local improvements that directly benefit the property;
   • (b) Fees charged in exchange for specific governmental services provided to the property owner;
   • (c) Property taxes on real property that is not a primary residence, including commercial, industrial, agricultural, rental, vacation, or investment property.
5. The Legislative Assembly shall enact laws necessary to implement this section and may provide procedures to prevent fraud or abuse, but may not diminish or impair the exemption established by this section.
6. This section is self-executing. Any law, ordinance, regulation, or policy inconsistent with this section is void to the extent of the inconsistency.

Section 2. Effective Date​

This amendment becomes effective on January 1 of the calendar year following its approval by the voters.

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Suggested Ballot Title​

Constitutional Measure

This measure would amend the North Dakota Constitution to exempt an owner's primary residence from all property taxation by the state and its political subdivisions. The exemption would apply only to a taxpayer's primary residence and would not apply to commercial, agricultural, rental, vacation, or other non-primary residential property. Special assessments and fees for specific services would remain permitted.

Yes — A "Yes" vote exempts primary residences from all property taxes.

No — A "No" vote retains the current property tax system.

Thanks sluggo . This what I like to see. 100 people can tell us that there is a problem but very few will work on a solution.

Pretty sure Jim Kasper sponsored the last attempt to eliminate property taxes with Rick Berg leading the charge. So sounds like your idea for citizens to take action and have someone sponsor it has already been attempted at least once, not sure on the first attempt.

And I am not whining about it, this is just a discussion, you sound like comrade camper when you go to that level

My post about whining about it was in NO way directed at you. It was posted right after Johner's post who regularly calls out the majority and "hints" how stupid we are.