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We have waited long enough for the "right" solution, just eliminate it at this point, its all just a shell game to grab more money from you.
I just heard on the radio that the month of May ND took in an additional 29 million in oil revenue because of the price of oil going up.
That's just neat, pack that away in the legacy fund and jack up our property taxes to pay for everyone's free lunch, and all the other socialist communist funds we now give to the "needy". We working tax payers just have to pay our "fair" share.

And the legistlature will never cut spending or funding, when was the last time that actually happened?
Forcing their hand would hopefully make them cut spending, and the free lunch program and busing should be the first out the door.
I agree, I don't like taxes either. My point is somebody needs to get involved and write a bill with a Straight foreward prognosis that the majority will embrace. Legislature doesn't have a good track record of helping reduce taxes , and the majority of them do what THEY want ,what makes you think that has changed ? They need to be forced to comply with a well thought out plan. It's as simple as that, and the ONLY reason that poorly written bill failed.

Iv'e never signed a document in my life that I am bound to by law and have no idea what it contains. I don't feel a bit bad about that.
 


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Here's a thought: Each county, instead of sending the current property tax bill to us citizens, send the tax bill to the state. For example, Burleigh County would send a bill to the state for 1.7 billion dollars this year. Last year it would have been 1.6 billion. Maybe someone at the state level could get Burleigh County to justify why they need $100 million more each year. Gotta get the spending under control.

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I agree, I don't like taxes either. My point is somebody needs to get involved and write a bill with a Straight foreward prognosis that the majority will embrace. Legislature doesn't have a good track record of helping reduce taxes , and the majority of them do what THEY want ,what makes you think that has changed ? They need to be forced to comply with a well thought out plan. It's as simple as that, and the ONLY reason that poorly written bill failed.

Iv'e never signed a document in my life that I am bound to by law and have no idea what it contains. I don't feel a bit bad about that.
So who is going to write this bill you speak of that we will all embrace?
The legislature?
The legislature is the problem, not the solution, they have had plenty of opportunity to get it done and get it done right, and it just doesn't happen. And now we need to fund free lunches for everyone to the tune of 160 million, which is probably low.
We the people need to say enough is enough and eliminate property taxes on our own, and then the dummy socialists that supposedly represent us can maybe start making choices of what to cut and eliminating waste.
 

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So who is going to write this bill you speak of that we will all embrace?
The legislature?

The legislature is the problem, not the solution, they have had plenty of opportunity to get it done and get it done right, and it just doesn't happen. And now we need to fund free lunches for everyone to the tune of 160 million, which is probably low.
We the people need to say enough is enough and eliminate property taxes on our own, and then the dummy socialists that supposedly represent us can maybe start making choices of what to cut and eliminating waste.
No hell NO , and the rest of your response is exactly what I've been saying.
 

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No hell NO , and the rest of your response is exactly what I've been saying.
We have had 2 chances to eliminate property taxes, both times without a clear plan on how to replace them, and voted to keep them. I was on board the first go with waiting for a good plan, which never transpired, and second time I voted to eliminate property taxes.
My point is we need to eliminate them with or without a plan, which hopefully leads to spending cuts and fraud/waste cleanup.
 


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We have had 2 chances to eliminate property taxes, both times without a clear plan on how to replace them, and voted to keep them. I was on board the first go with waiting for a good plan, which never transpired, and second time I voted to eliminate property taxes.
My point is we need to eliminate them with or without a plan, which hopefully leads to spending cuts and fraud/waste cleanup.


Good luck with that. I don't think the majority is willing to take a chance based on hope alone.
 

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Good luck with that. I don't think the majority is willing to take a chance based on hope alone.
What will happen if we dont fuck the property owners?
Is it the bogie man again?
A century ago, guess what, no property taxes, and our grandfathers somehow built this entire country.
 

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We get your point. What has to happen is citizens to take action and write an initiated measure and find someone who will sponsor it. Whining about it online isn't gonna make it happen.
 

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But but we will loose most of the fire departments and police force if they eliminate property taxes ...rofl...

Drive buy the Minot police department any time of the day and count the patrol cars in the lot, must have gotten a buy one get one free deal.
 

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We get your point. What has to happen is citizens to take action and write an initiated measure and find someone who will sponsor it. Whining about it online isn't gonna make it happen.
Pretty sure Jim Kasper sponsored the last attempt to eliminate property taxes with Rick Berg leading the charge. So sounds like your idea for citizens to take action and have someone sponsor it has already been attempted at least once, not sure on the first attempt.

And I am not whining about it, this is just a discussion, you sound like comrade camper when you go to that level
 


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Pretty sure Jim Kasper sponsored the last attempt to eliminate property taxes with Rick Berg leading the charge. So sounds like your idea for citizens to take action and have someone sponsor it has already been attempted at least once, not sure on the first attempt.

And I am not whining about it, this is just a discussion, you sound like comrade camper when you go to that level.
I’m still honored to be living rent free in your head. Maybe that’s why no one takes you seriously.
 

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Davey, not to pick on ya but your statement of " as simple as that " and our Government, those 2 just don't go together.
I say we use what the State is hoarding away for money towards taxes and put our legislators feet to the fire to get they're ducks in a row and figure it out or boot their asses out of office. We keep putting them in there and 90% of it is just because of name recognition on the ballots.
 

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Davey, not to pick on ya but your statement of " as simple as that " and our Government, those 2 just don't go together.
I say we use what the State is hoarding away for money towards taxes and put our legislators feet to the fire to get they're ducks in a row and figure it out or boot their asses out of office. We keep putting them in there and 90% of it is just because of name recognition on the ballots.
Its because of the R they attach their name too, however the R does not mean conservative in our great state. Most of the R's are RINO's, and jingling for the jangle they can get into their little sections of the state.
 

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I asked google ai:
Why doesn't the state of north dakota have a group to figure out the needed funding if property taxes are abolished

The state of North Dakota does not have a specific group or task force tasked with planning for the complete abolition of property taxes primarily because voters soundly defeated the measure to eliminate them, rendering a formal replacement group unnecessary.
The concept was brought before voters via Initiated Measure 4, which would have banned property taxes based on assessed value. Voters rejected the measure by roughly 63%.
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The decision not to establish a formal "replacement" group boils down to several key factors:
1. Responsibility Was Left to the Legislature
The text of the ballot measure itself did not outline a concrete replacement revenue model. Instead, it simply dictated that if passed, the North Dakota Legislature would be legally forced to find the money to reimburse local political subdivisions. Lawmakers treated the measure as a hypothetical
. Establishing a state-funded group to draft an emergency $3.15 billion biennial replacement budget was avoided to prevent creating unnecessary panic or legitimizing a measure that leadership largely opposed.
2. Deep Opposition from State Leadership
The state government had no political incentive to create a formal planning committee because a massive, bipartisan coalition explicitly fought against the tax abolition. Groups like Keep It Local ND, the North Dakota League of Cities, and emergency responder associations aggressively campaigned against it. They argued that shifting $1.3 billion annually from local control to the state capital would cause "absolute chaos".
3. Focus on Reform Rather Than Abolition
Instead of preparing to eliminate the tax entirely, state leaders focused their efforts on aggressive property tax reform. Rather than trying to figure out how to function with zero property tax revenue, the state enacted alternative relief packages to ease the burden on homeowners directly, including:

The Primary Residence Credit: Lawmakers passed House Bill 1176, which allows North Dakota homeowners to apply for a tax credit via the North Dakota Office of State Tax Commissioner to slash up to $1,600 off their primary home's tax bill.

Utilizing the Legacy Fund: The state chose to use earnings from its multi-billion-dollar oil and gas Legacy Fund to cover these relief credits so local services (like schools and law enforcement) wouldn’t lose funding.

Local Spending Caps: The state instituted a strict 3% cap on how much local governments can increase property tax levies annually without a vote from residents.

Because the state focused heavily on these compromise solutions—which successfully wiped out property taxes completely for roughly 50,000 of the state's households—the government chose to study and manage the credits rather than plan for total elimination.

Property taxes eliminated for 50000 North Dakota households under ...
In a random sample of 50 property tax statements across 15 counties, the state found the household had its property taxes reduced by 46%.
Again asking someone else to figure out where funding was coming from, seemed to be a much bigger task that legislation wasnt ready to tackle, reminds me of how Americans got screwed when the affordable care act was passed and we found out that our insurance went up, when all anyone wanted was to keep insurance companies from denying preexisting claims which i believe Bush jr administration did.

I wonder why north dakota doest look at how Florida was able to pass a law abolishing property taxes?
I said it before and i will say it again not everyone in north dakota has a heavy tax assessment/burden on their property in north dakota.
 


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Also Rick Berg owns a shit ton of rental properties in north dakota, he would be the very last person to ask to figure this out slum lord
 

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Its because of the R they attach their name too, however the R does not mean conservative in our great state. Most of the R's are RINO's, and jingling for the jangle they can get into their little sections of the state.
In the Grand City and the Metro all the libs (Dems) have R behind their name. :mad:
 

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We should all just vote for whomever is running other than the incumbents to show them we aren't f**king around anymore. Don't think it could be any worse for a few yrs 🤷‍♂️
 

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We should all just vote for whomever is running other than the incumbents to show them we aren't f**king around anymore. Don't think it could be any worse for a few yrs 🤷‍♂️
You cant get a 1/3 of people on here to agree on anyone topic. Let alone try get people to vote a certain way.
 


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