Ahmaud Arbery.... MURDER?

[slyfish77]

A few years back I had a couple "sportsman" rummaging through stuff on an old place. Watched them for awhile. When I approached them and asked them what they were doing, the one guy kind of stuttered out, just looking for something for wifey's flowerbed. Ok. So, should I have been able to shoot him? After all it is my property. Another thread on here we have a guy promoting trespassing because we don't like E-posting. Hmmm

 

[PrairieGhost]

To those so quick to jump on people your not putting enough thought into the history behind their frustration. Remember Obama if he had a son he would be like Trayvon (may have misspelled that so forgive me flycarpin), and the whole hands up don't shoot etc etc etc. I think the sentiment that's being expressed is the dissatisfaction with the media showing their bias all of the time. The police are always bad, the white guy is always bad, the criminal is always innocent, the minority is always innocent etc. I think the problem is many in our society are exhibiting reverse discrimination. I have heard liberals say it's impossible for a minority to be racist because you have to be in power to be racist. I think that's absurd. I think racist is anyone dislikeing anyone else based on their race. It's not a problem of skin color it's a problem of the heart. <br>
Lets not forget the favorite communist/socialist trick which is divide and conquer. When I get hate messages about old people on here I don't let that bother me much rather, I feel sorry for the fool that sends them.<br><br>Edit: as far as this story I'll reserve judgement either way for now.  

 

[Allen]

I don't know if the guy was jogging and stopped in for a water break, or if he was out scoping places to rob. Apparently there's more than just a couple videos to digest and I trust/hope the court system eventually wades through all the pre-conceptions people have and arrive at conclusion the jury members can live with.

Remember, we are all playing here with an incomplete understanding of Georgia law and how the details of what were probably 3 dumbasses who fate put in the same spot at the same time.

 

[Traxion]

I don't know if the guy was jogging and stopped in for a water break, or if he was out scoping places to rob. Apparently there's more than just a couple videos to digest and I trust/hope the court system eventually wades through all the pre-conceptions people have and arrive at conclusion the jury members can live with.

Remember, we are all playing here with an incomplete understanding of Georgia law and how the details of what were probably 3 dumbasses who fate put in the same spot at the same time.

The other thing I'd add is we have no idea the biases of either the two guys who confronted him OR the man who was shot. We're sitting here talking about this with a Dakota's "white" perspective. Maybe the guy who was shot has had unfair run-ins in the past and maybe the guy who shot him has had bad run ins in the past too. I think all the discussion so far here is pretty dismissive of the DEEP racial and cultural issues surrounding. And I'm not talking about media mongering or the typical white vs. black conversation, I'm talking the 150 years of history in that part of the country. There is a lot more to it.

I don't know that the man who was shot was totally on the up and up. But I don't agree that he should have been shot. Saying he should have backed down or otherwise is a little short sighted not knowing the real history of each. Too simple to say that. Bad deal for everyone involved.

 

[Rut2much]

These guys definitely over-stepped their boundaries and simply took the law into their own hands figuring the 2nd amendment would have their backs. They deserve everything that's coming to them with their ridiculous display of vigilante justice.
They seem like the type of guys that would throw dynamite in the water because the fishing is too slow.

 

[Obi-Wan]

The other thing I'd add is we have no idea the biases of either the two guys who confronted him OR the man who was shot. We're sitting here talking about this with a Dakota's "white" perspective. Maybe the guy who was shot has had unfair run-ins in the past and maybe the guy who shot him has had bad run ins in the past too. I think all the discussion so far here is pretty dismissive of the DEEP racial and cultural issues surrounding. And I'm not talking about media mongering or the typical white vs. black conversation, I'm talking the 150 years of history in that part of the country. There is a lot more to it.

I don't know that the man who was shot was totally on the up and up. But I don't agree that he should have been shot. Saying he should have backed down or otherwise is a little short sighted not knowing the real history of each. Too simple to say that. Bad deal for everyone involved.

Maybe race has nothing to do with it.

 

[Migrator Man]

Maybe race has nothing to do with it.

I don’t think that race was a reason he was pursued. This wasn’t a hate crime. I also don’t think these guys had any right to shoot this guy, burglar or not. These guys will learn their lesson for their bonehead decision. When Fox News doesn’t take their side then you know they must have been in the wrong!

 

[WormWiggler]

These guys definitely over-stepped their boundaries and simply took the law into their own hands figuring the 2nd amendment would have their backs. They deserve everything that's coming to them with their ridiculous display of vigilante justice.
They seem like the type of guys that would throw dynamite in the water because the fishing is too slow.

so the concept of citizen arrest is something you feel should be removed from the law?

It is unfortunate that this ended in a death, as that is definitely not a fitting punishment as far as we in a distant community can ascertain.

I am reminded of a saying that a guy with a youtube channel says quite often, the youtube channel is about self defense. Stupid people doing stupid things, at stupid times. He regulariy applies it to bar applications, but I can see the correlation to this.

 

[Traxion]

Maybe race has nothing to do with it.

I don't know that it was, nor was I trying to say one way or another. I hope it wasn't. It's just easy to judge from here and I felt like there were a lot of inferences to that without a lot of understanding of BOTH sides of it. Unfortunately we never get the "real" story on these things, just a the spun version. Like I said, bad deal for all.

 

[Rut2much]

so the concept of citizen arrest is something you feel should be removed from the law?

It is unfortunate that this ended in a death.

Never said that and all I witnessed was a citizen's death certificate handed out in this case. If there was people like that in my neighborhood growing up i wouldn't have made it to middle school for all the stupid shit I/we did.

Watching out for you and your neighbors is one thing but there comes a point when it's time to atempt an honest conversation (after the supposed multilpe issues) or choosing whether to pull out the knuckles instead of a deadly weapon unless pulled upon.
Some will say there's no time to ponder whether he's "strapped" and ready to "go there". Imho this whole incident doesn't even compare to the whole trayvon Martin incident as far self defense goes. From what I saw on the video anyway..

 

[Bob Erfish]

If the concept of citizens arrest is chasing someone down with a gun for a misdemeanor, yes, that concept should be removed from the law. In fact, I could be wrong but I believe a citizen detaining someone at gun point for a misdemeanor may be illegal in Georgia.

 

[BrokenBackJack]

This is a bad deal all the way around. Things should have been done differently by both sides.
If one uses a firearm there is going to be massive questioning about whether or not one has/had the right to use it and did they use it properly.
I have said this for years after someone tells me if so and so does this or comes into this i am going to blow them away, i say be prepared to go to court and possibly going to jail even if you feel you did the right thing. You can not do enough or too much thinking before pulling the trigger as once you pull the trigger the damage is done and no going back. Even if your shooting is justified and it was him or me, if one has a little bit of a conscience it is going to haunt you for the rest of your life. You took another human life and that can be very hard to deal with even if it is justified. Is there a time when it wouldn't matter, well for me there is and that is if someone in my family or someones life is being threatened whether it be rape or their life is threatened.
I hopefully don't ever want to be put into this situation ever again is all i am going to say!