All new powertrain's for GM

[snow]

So what are the auto makers telling us? I suspect they see rising fuel cost in the near future.

Colorado already has the 2.8 duramax diesel,then the crossover equinox and cruze and now the 1500 pickups will go through another body style change and GM will offer a navistar diesel engine with a 10spd trannny plus a all new powertrain across the board,hering alot of chatter about the CNG and propane engines as well.All this coming in 2019 which most likely will be out in mid 2018.

 

[Wild and Free]

Funny how the USA is expanding diesels and the EU wants them off the roads completely in the next 20 years. I will not buy a newer diesel until things become more simplified again from an emissions stand point. Seems the emissions of the new diesels the last several years is going the route the gassers of the late 70's to early 90's, very cumbersome complex and all around PITA.

 

[eyexer]

After ford's fiasco with the last two Navistar engines I cannot fathom why GM wants to go down that road lol

 

[SDMF]

I'd say the below chart is the biggest factor in the changes you're seeing across the board from every manufacturer. More gears in the transmissions, more CVT's, smaller engines, lighter bodies, even down to larger diameter alloy wheels with large cut-outs and lower profile tires to save weight.

Local Ford dealer has 160 V-6 F-150's out of 181 total in stock. 99 out of those 160 V-6's are the smaller 2.7L. If you do want to buy the V-8, almost all of the 21 trucks so equipped sitting on the lot have 3:31 gearing, 23gal fuel tanks, and are the shorter 5.5' box version. IMO, this is all about saving weight and making mileage to meet C.A.F.E. regs.

Model Year	Passenger Cars	Light Trucks
"footprint": 41 sq ft (3.8 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or smaller (e.g., 2011 Honda Fit)	"footprint": 55 sq ft (5.1 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or bigger (e.g., Mercedes-Benz S-Class)	"footprint": 41 sq ft (3.8 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or smaller (e.g., Chevy s10)	"footprint": 75 sq ft (7.0 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or bigger (e.g., Ford F-150)
CAFE	EPA Window Sticker	CAFE	EPA Window Sticker	CAFE	EPA Window Sticker	CAFE	EPA Window Sticker
2012	36	27	28	21	30	23	22	17
2013	37	28	28.5	22	31	24	22.5	17
2014	38	28	29	22	32	24	23	18
2015	39	29	30	23	33	25	23.5	18
2016	41	31	31	24	34	26	24.5	19
2017	44	33	33	25	36	27	25	19
2018	45	34	34	26	37	28	25	19
2019	47	35	35	26	38	28	25	19
2020	49	36	36	27	39	29	25	19
2021	51	37	38	28	42	31	25	19
2022	53	38	40	30	44	33	26	20
2023	56	40	42	31	46	34	27	21
2024	58	41	44	33	48	36	28.5	22
2025	60	43	46	34	50	37	30	23

2011-2025 CAFE standards for each model year in miles per gallon. [SUP] [51] [/SUP]

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hearing alot of chatter about the CNG and propane engines as well

Absolutely nothing wrong with this as long as the fuel tank is reasonably well protected and large enough to be useful.

I wonder if it will ever be possible or economically feasible to fill a CNG vehicle straight off of the NG piped into your home?

 

[gone_fishing]

So what are the auto makers telling us? I suspect they see rising fuel cost in the near future.

Colorado already has the 2.8 duramax diesel,then the crossover equinox and cruze and now the 1500 pickups will go through another body style change and GM will offer a navistar diesel engine with a 10spd trannny plus a all new powertrain across the board,hering alot of chatter about the CNG and propane engines as well.All this coming in 2019 which most likely will be out in mid 2018.

I don't see the 5.3 and 6.2 V8 EcoTec engines going away as they are pretty fresh designs. I've seen spy photos of the next gen GM 1/2" ton filling up with diesel fuel. No word on make/model of engine though. Could bring back the 4.5 V8 Duramax design they shelved years ago. That was a GM in house designed engine.

 

[eyexer]

I'd say the below chart is the biggest factor in the changes you're seeing across the board from every manufacturer. More gears in the transmissions, more CVT's, smaller engines, lighter bodies, even down to larger diameter alloy wheels with large cut-outs and lower profile tires to save weight.

Local Ford dealer has 160 V-6 F-150's out of 181 total in stock. 99 out of those 160 V-6's are the smaller 2.7L. If you do want to buy the V-8, almost all of the 21 trucks so equipped sitting on the lot have 3:31 gearing, 23gal fuel tanks, and are the shorter 5.5' box version. IMO, this is all about saving weight and making mileage to meet C.A.F.E. regs.

Model Year	Passenger Cars	Light Trucks
"footprint": 41 sq ft (3.8 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or smaller (e.g., 2011 Honda Fit)	"footprint": 55 sq ft (5.1 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or bigger (e.g., Mercedes-Benz S-Class)	"footprint": 41 sq ft (3.8 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or smaller (e.g., Chevy s10)	"footprint": 75 sq ft (7.0 m[SUP]2[/SUP]) or bigger (e.g., Ford F-150)
CAFE	EPA Window Sticker	CAFE	EPA Window Sticker	CAFE	EPA Window Sticker	CAFE	EPA Window Sticker
2012	36	27	28	21	30	23	22	17
2013	37	28	28.5	22	31	24	22.5	17
2014	38	28	29	22	32	24	23	18
2015	39	29	30	23	33	25	23.5	18
2016	41	31	31	24	34	26	24.5	19
2017	44	33	33	25	36	27	25	19
2018	45	34	34	26	37	28	25	19
2019	47	35	35	26	38	28	25	19
2020	49	36	36	27	39	29	25	19
2021	51	37	38	28	42	31	25	19
2022	53	38	40	30	44	33	26	20
2023	56	40	42	31	46	34	27	21
2024	58	41	44	33	48	36	28.5	22
2025	60	43	46	34	50	37	30	23

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Absolutely nothing wrong with this as long as the fuel tank is reasonably well protected and large enough to be useful.

I wonder if it will ever be possible or economically feasible to fill a CNG vehicle straight off of the NG piped into your home?

only if they tax you by mileage and not via fuel

 

[Allen]

As much as a person may hate the idea, the day of road taxes via mileage are fast approaching. Electric cars, hybrids, and increased fuel efficiency are really stressing out the concept of the Highway Trust Fund act of 1956. You know, back when a car weighed as much as a pickup and got roughly the same gas mileage. As of now, the electric cars get a free pass on the roads they also use.

Prior to that the roads were generally paid for out of the general funds.

 

[WormWiggler]

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Absolutely nothing wrong with this as long as the fuel tank is reasonably well protected and large enough to be useful.

I wonder if it will ever be possible or economically feasible to fill a CNG vehicle straight off of the NG piped into your home?"



http://www.cngnow.com/vehicles/refueling/Pages/refueling-at-home.aspx

 

[Wild and Free]

As much as a person may hate the idea, the day of road taxes via mileage are fast approaching. Electric cars, hybrids, and increased fuel efficiency are really stressing out the concept of the Highway Trust Fund act of 1956. You know, back when a car weighed as much as a pickup and got roughly the same gas mileage. As of now, the electric cars get a free pass on the roads they also use.

Prior to that the roads were generally paid for out of the general funds.

I too think that is what will eventually happen as it is being hashed out more and more in other states for a few years already and last week with talk of raising fuel taxes here in ND has me wondering just how long before mileage tax rather than fuel tax becomes the new norm.

 

[eyexer]

it's going on down in Oklahoma and TX already. When I worked for chesapeake energy all their fleet vehicles down there were CNG. They had their own filling locations in various locations there. These came from the factory like that. You never new when it was running on CNG and when it was on gas.

 

[Zogman]

As much as a person may hate the idea, the day of road taxes via mileage are fast approaching. Electric cars, hybrids, and increased fuel efficiency are really stressing out the concept of the Highway Trust Fund act of 1956. You know, back when a car weighed as much as a pickup and got roughly the same gas mileage. As of now, the electric cars get a free pass on the roads they also use.

Prior to that the roads were generally paid for out of the general funds.

Yup and they will all be fitted with GPS trackers and you will get a bill every month.:;:rockit

 

[snow]

gone~ as of last week a complete over haul of GM powertrains with new body styles are on the table,I was in a chevrolet meeting when they planted the seed.

 

[Coldfront]

I also heard GM using Navistar diesel engines. Let's take a look at a few past engines and truck manufactures that used Navistar engines and resale. Ford with Navistar 6.0 junk, Navistar 6.4 junk and cost Ford millions of dollars in warranty claims not paid by Navistar. Caterpillar truck used Navistar 11 liter and 13 liter engines junk and never EPA emissions and Caterpillar stopped building trucks and resale of these trucks let's say is very, very bad. Navistar's own trucks with Maxxforce engines never met EPA and I think still has a class action lawsuit going on. Navistar contracted with Cummins to bring their engines up to EPA Standards. Navistar announced 8-7-2017 that it will stop building their smaller diesel engine for class 6 and 7 trucks and will be replaced with Cummins engines. Who in the world would want a engine built by Navistar??? Oh by the most finance companies will not finance Navistars with Maxxforce engines and the resale values with a Maxxforce are up to 50% less than a competitors product.