American Prairie Preserve

[PrairieGhost]

Hunting and fishing are great but we also need room to raise our families and make a living.

That's bs excuse for opposing conservation. If a farmer sells his land to a conservation group then they own it. Your saying you have a right to it more than anyone else because you need room. There are grain surpluses or you wouldn't want to sell to Cuba. Or do you want to support enemies of democracy? All land is currently taken. If land comes up for sale what makes one group of people better than another?

We propose that all farmable land be exempt from wetlands designation and be eligible for drainage.---

So if we can deny a wetland is a wetland maybe we can deny farmable land is farmable land.

We support a mediation program concerning nuisance wetlands in North Dakota.---

Who determines what a nuisance wetland is?

We oppose the federal "wild and scenic" designation for any rivers and their tributaries in North Dakota and oppose wilderness land designation in the state.---

Why ranchers can still graze it?

Can't these people find honest employment.

What's dishonest about it? Don't you lobby? Is it more dishonest than lobbying for the farm bill?

Just admit the Farm Bureau hates conservation. When a section of land comes up for sale and 100 people have the money to buy it and want to buy it which ones have the right to buy it?

 

[gst]

That's bs excuse for opposing conservation. If a farmer sells his land to a conservation group then they own it. Your saying you have a right to it more than anyone else because you need room. There are grain surpluses or you wouldn't want to sell to Cuba. Or do you want to support enemies of democracy? All land is currently taken. If land comes up for sale what makes one group of people better than another?

So if we can deny a wetland is a wetland maybe we can deny farmable land is farmable land.

Who determines what a nuisance wetland is?

Why ranchers can still graze it?

What's dishonest about it? Don't you lobby? Is it more dishonest than lobbying for the farm bill?

Just admit the Farm Bureau hates conservation. When a section of land comes up for sale and 100 people have the money to buy it and want to buy it which ones have the right to buy it?

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Plains, are you even aware of what NDFB is doing with Delta Waterfowl. Are you aware they have filed a lawsuit to overturn the state law regarding land usage after a sale concerning nonprofits?

Just because you are unaware and ignorant of the truth and choose to make up whoppers does not make what you claim true....living in the "Dark Age of Ignorance" does not help your credibility.

The "wild and scenic river designation" opens the door for people with ideals like plainsman within federal land use agencies to have MORE control over removing grazing and mining and other land use s from these corridors. In the case of grazing, once the ability to access water is removed thru a determination from someone like PG the lands tied to that water source become unusable for grazing.

These designations have been used to REDUCE grazing allotments to the point they are no longer usable economically just as other means have been used all across the west. People like plainsman can than claim grazing is still allowed, but not really if one knows the truth.

Fortunately this last election has provided some possible change in removing people with these ideologies from these Federal agencies, perhaps it is fortunate for plains he retired when he did. .

 

[Fritz the Cat]

This thread started as American Prairie Preserve. The aggressor trying to purchase private land. Thousands and thousands of acres.

The tussle between what is private property and what is public property has been going on for some time and will continue. Thread after thread have been started here about some non-profit non-governmental org aggressively pursuing buying land. Predictably the claims begin on here...........it's the ranchers trying to "take" public ground for private gain. Show me.

Farm Bureau resolution:

We oppose the federal "wild and scenic" designation for any rivers and their tributaries in North Dakota and oppose wilderness land designation in the state.---​

PG's response,

Why ranchers can still graze it?​

You must be daft. No one from town people to country people supported the Northern Plains Heritage Area when they found out about it. Former Senator Byron Dorgan was in on the NPHA designation. He helped get the Abraham Lincoln Foundation the grant. He knew Tracy Potter was flying into DC to advocate for getting $10 million in Taxpayer money. No one will ever know if Dorgan knew that Tracy Potter and his people used $8 thousand dollars of Abraham Lincoln Foundation grant money to fly to DC to lobby for more taxpayer dollars. Illegal.

When something big like this goes down effecting communities, there is supposed to be public forums. Tracey Potter told Congress the meetings have been held and the people are for the designation. He lied. So.....some guys held a public forum in Washburn and invited Dorgan's assistant. When she found out the mood of the people she tried to hit the exit. Her path got blocked. She had to stay and listen to what the town people had to say. Dorgan took cover. Had nothing to say.

The Northern Prairie Heritage Area was defunded. But Obama did sign it so it is not dead. It needs to be repealed. Let's get to work on that. A true conservative would.

 

[gst]

Yup there is always a couple that will try kill any discussion about conservation. That's their goal.

Kurtr you don't think there are different rules for different people? There shouldn't be. If you own a restaurant try telling a black guy your not going to serve him because he is black and see where that gets you. Not much different than North Dakota passing laws against conservation organizations not purchasing land without permission. Not different than landowners over there in Montana trying to stop the sales. Different rules for different people.

Indeed fritz, instead of discussing the APP which by most hunters standards is made up with those ideologies of the 5th avenue crowds wanting their form of "conservation" on these wild western lands, "there's always a couple that will try to kill any conversation" about the truth of things by driving it down a rabbit hole.

The liberal most often cries "racist" to accomplish this.

No one including the neighboring authority big sky will tell us who on their board and who funding the APP are avid hunters and who are not. I think most sportsmen have the ability to see thru these smoke screens and judge accordingly.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Northern Prairie Heritage Area was defunded. But c did sign it so it is not dead. It needs to be repealed. Let's get to work on that. A true conservative would.

A true conservative? I don't think you can pigeonhole conservatives like that. Many are conservation oriented, not just me. Some worship money. Some who hate socialists suck the gov teet so hard it's a wonder they don't pass out.

 

[EZZIE]

Here's a letter in the Phillips Co News.. APR is at it again...



Dear Editor,In reading the Phillips County News, you can read all about the American Prairie Reserve (APR) wanting to have the Bison (Buffalo) graze on BLM lands for 12 months of the year. Cattle can only graze on BLM from April 1 to November 30. Ranchers have to supply feed on deeded ground at least four months. If you do not go by their rules, BLM will take away your grazing privileges. The rancher pays taxes on their livestock. If they (APR) can get it changed to Bison (Buffalo) then they will claim them as wildlife and refuse to pay taxes on them. If they (APR) get the 400,000 acres in Phillips County then the County will lose taxes on 10,000 plus cattle.They (APR) claim they are helping the economy in Phillips County. They do not buy machinery to do haying and feeding in the wintertime. I only know of one four-wheel drive tractor for all of APR holding in Phillips County.The fencing materials all come in on Semis. Four Semi loads of post and wire stopped in the ranch yard looking for APR holdings near our ranch. They were not bought locally. For each mile of fence it takes 330 posts and 16 rolls of wire at $5.00 per post and $40.00 for a roll of wire; $2,490.00 per mile including the four or five braces per mile. Fifty miles of fence is $124,500.00 that was not spent in the County.The ranching practices have been to cross fence and rotate cattle so not to stress the grass. This leaves more forage to help birds with nesting cover. Also, deer and antelope thrive on the greener forage. By eliminating the inside fences, the low ground and creeks will get overgrazed by the buffalo especially in the dry years.Please join me and attend the BLM scoping session in Malta at the Old Gym on Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 1:30 to 5:00 p.m.Noel Emond,Malta​

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[Colt45]

Havent read all the posts, just checked out some of the links that have been posted. Looks to me like the end game is to close off access to normal folks and only the "donors" will get access. Screw that!!!

Our goal is to acquire roughly 500,000 private acres and use them to connect much of the more than three million acres of public lands distributed across the project area,” says Sean Gerrity, president of APR and a former technopreneur. “This would enable us to assemble a 3.5-million-acre nature reserve, for the public’s enjoyment, on the Great Plains of northeastern Montana.”

 

[PrairieGhost]

Havent read all the posts, just checked out some of the links that have been posted. Looks to me like the end game is to close off access to normal folks and only the "donors" will get access. Screw that!!!

Our goal is to acquire roughly 500,000 private acres and use them to connect much of the more than three million acres of public lands distributed across the project area,” says Sean Gerrity, president of APR and a former technopreneur. “This would enable us to assemble a 3.5-million-acre nature reserve, for the public’s enjoyment, on the Great Plains of northeastern Montana.”

Maybe, but I don't see what your talking about. Point it out please. If your correct I don't like it either.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Signs opposing bison are posted along county roads en route to the American Prairie Reserve’s bison range.




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American Prairie Reserve’s Kestrel Camp is a treat for visitors who stay in plush yurts while being introduced to the prairie.​

 

[Zogman]

"for the public’s enjoyment,"

Which is defined as what???? By Whom???? :;:stirthepot

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Zogman,

It's only $1200 per night to stay in the yurt. Joy Joy

 

[Zogman]

Fritz, I did not see the yurt here.

https://www.pinterest.com/jgpernett/for-the-publics-enjoyment/


​And they list 27 things...........

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[PrairieGhost]

Can you post some of that. I don't want to join Pinterest.

 

[Zogman]

Can you post some of that. I don't want to join Pinterest.

​I am not a member. A google search of "public enjoyment" found it. About the 5th or 6th one down.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I google searched "public enjoyment" and went through four pages and no dice. Thanks for trying anyway.

If I paid $1200 a night to stay in a yurt I would have to have more than one million dollars. That's nuts. Their catering to the super rich is a little scary. Hmmmmmm I would like to get in their brain for five minutes. If they only cater to the rich for everything including hunting wildlife population will get to the point it will cost a couple thousand to hunt the adjoining private land too. If not they better have a big road now so private landowners don't cut off public access.

 

[Colt45]

Maybe, but I don't see what your talking about. Point it out please. If your correct I don't like it either.

Well after reading a few articles on it, I came to the conclusion its nothing but a land grab to block access to public land by left wing liberal wacko's. More excerpts from the same article, ultra rich silicon valley entrepreneurs is a HUGE RED FLAG:

Now a group of ultra-wealthy individuals and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are creating a 3.5-million acre nature reserve — Continental America’s largest ever — in a bid to protect a rich natural heritage.
For the donors, staying overnight at the luxury Kestrel Camp on the reserve is a magical experience. Guests can enjoy evening drinks on the deck where you can see more than 100 miles without any light pollution, with coyotes howling nearby and huge, silent bison drifting by on their way to a watering hole.

 

[gst]

This isn't about being anti wildlife or anti conservation.........it is about pulling the curtain back on those that would remove human impact on huge swaths of lands because of an ideology that pushes global warming, carbon tax,ect......

These orgs do not start out sharing their true idealistic intent or they would get no support from either farmers/ranchers or hunters. so they often pit one against the other.

Some people either can not see this or choose to help in creating that divide.

Once people learn the truth and fact about these orgs and their intents they are bale to make an informed choice to support them or not.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

If I paid $1200 a night to stay in a yurt I would have to have more than one million dollars. That's nuts. Their catering to the super rich is a little scary. Hmmmmmm I would like to get in their brain for five minutes. If they only cater to the rich for everything including hunting wildlife population will get to the point it will cost a couple thousand to hunt the adjoining private land too. If not they better have a big road now so private landowners don't cut off public access.

PG, you are so predictable pretending a conversation to find middle ground (red) but the only thing you want to talk about is attacking landowners. (blue)

In the 4th post of this thread, Ghost mentions how amazing it would have been to live here before colonization. Ok, so now a rich donor can rent a yurt with water, air conditioner, heat, refrigerator, toilet, generator for electricity and maybe see 10,000 bison. The yurt is actually from central Asia made out of sheep and yak hair.

How about a tepee instead? Carry your own water, no air, no refrigerator, shit outside, no electricity and possibly 10,000 stampeding bison? Magical.

 

[HUNTFISHND]

Have you guys heard of this place? I find it pretty fascinating.


There is a book out there (admittedly I haven't read it yet but is on my list and nearing the top) called "American Serengeti" by Dan Flores. In this book, it kind of describes what the organization is trying to do. Might have to plan a trip next summer to go check the place out.

Also, Vollmer, can we get a "conservation" topic forum option?

You should check out Episode 069 of Steven Rinella's Meat Eater Podcast. Dan Flores is the guest and "American Serengeti" is the main topic. Very interesting.

 

[Zogman]

How about a tepee instead? Carry your own water, no air, no refrigerator, shit outside, no electricity and possibly 10,000 stampeding bison? Magical.[/QUOTE]

The major donors/supporters are more likely to prefer a mini Trump Towers. :::