Benelli Owners~

[svnmag]

I'm damn sure.

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That's like a '67 Vette vs a six cylinder Camaro.

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Just FYI. The only thing A5 with the new version is the appearance. I love that profile even though it adds a bit of felt recoil. I once shot a 48 at trap with a Sweet Sixteen. Had a chance to buy it...

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Without that turd on the end of the bbl.

I'm about to vomit...The A5 (old--never handled new) points and has better balance than a Model 12. I now have a funny taste in my mouth like a clown. The major drawback IMHO is all the parts clanging around after the shot: Like a Model T pickup loaded with scrap iron.

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You get that stock right in your shoulder and it's like taking shi'ite out of the air with a magic wand...I'm sure they fit me without modification to a tee. I'm just an average size white guy. All I see when shooting one is a peripheral blur of the top of the receiver. No bbl, no bead which is correct with proper shotgunning form.

 

[snow]

I also have a old but like new belgium A-5 auto mag,bought my 1st A5 new in the early 70's,damn good killing machine,32"barrel fixed full choke,retired it from waterfowling when steel was mandetory,still used it for pheasants for years... tho,sad to say I sold the darn thing a couple years ago as it was collecting dust in the cabinet,my old but new A5 just sits and looks pretty next to the benlellis and beretta's.

Run a 10ga for pass shooting or wary honkers/snows that won't decoy and swing wide,even tho the SBE's ive had are 3.5 none pattern worth a shit shooting 3.5's thru a mod choke but I like the idea of using a magnum gun as we shoot alot seem to be more heavy duty. From sept to april and in 3" hevi shot and hevy metal has the range vs steel in smaller pellet size which puts more pellets on target plus you can use full chokes w/o damaging your choke shooting hevi shot.

Folks that are felt recoil sensitive should consider the beretta A400 xtreme,might be the softest shooting magnum gun on the market todayand might be the best gas cycling auto loader in cold weather to boot today in regards to high end shotguns.

I agree as stated above you get what you pay for in the shotgun world,nothing pisses me off more than a gun malfunction in the field.

 

[svnmag]

Just a little add on...Unless the bbl is designed for steel, Heavy Shot will destroy it. You could've still used your old Belgian with bismuth or tungsten matrix.

 

[snow]

True 7mag however hevi shot makes a load for these older pre steel shotguns including sxs's,its a composite pellet like bismuth with a slower fps,in 3" 1050fps.

Remington got in hot water years ago for this very thing,remington model 1100 had a class action suit 33milion $$ for shotguns built before 1988,I collected a check for $35.00,tells me there were a shit load of 1100's out there and alot of accidents with barrel damage.

Oh,and the old A5 didn't make noise after the shot that I know of,maybe my ears were ringing after the shot? the all new A5 is a completely different animal,word is to stay away for now.

 

[svnmag]

Cool--I'm slightly behind the times with my reading. What's the Hevishot stuff called? Is it still heavier than lead? Sorry you sold your Belgian.

 

[snow]

They call the stuff "classic doubles",comes in all gauages except 10ga.No,classic doubles is not heavier than lead only hevi shot pellets alone is 10% heavier than lead and 50% more dense and heavier than steel,might be better than the old days of lead in my book,today we have pellet speed(over 1500fps upto 1650fps in hevi loads and pellet weight vs steel.

 

[svnmag]

I'll look it up thanks.

On another note; pure Hevi at my last "research" is now a perfect sphere. When it first came out everyone doted the odd shapes were beneficial. Anyways, pure Hevi/perfect sphere at 1650 has no appreciable difference in energy at 40 yds than 1050fps. It just kills harder on your end. The one advantage is a shorter lead requirement which should not be noticeable with proper shotgunning. The phenomena may be magnified a bit if you're primarily a rifleman. Just know the charge ain't hitting harder at 40+. If you want more kinetic; up the shot size.

My shooting improved when I finally got my head wrapped around this (it took a bit--I'm retarded) and stopped beating the hell out of myself with those Federal Hellfires in the M12. (FYI: Winchester would convert any 12ga Model 12 to 3in at the factory for cheap.) I was referring to those 2 3/4 Fed copper plated "Premiums" with hellacious velocity. They work but leave unnecessary red marks. Hard shot and good patterns are what kills.

I freaking love these type threads.

 

[snow]

Hey,check out this ballistic chart that compares shot type and down range energy~~~

 

[svnmag]

Steel is garbage.

I'm not sure if we're in agreement on not. I'm by no means a math guy. Am confident 15 hundredths of a lb won't be noticed by a bird, squirrel or rabbit. My point is like density spheres impact essentially the same at 40yds (+) no matter the launch velocity. You can confidently reduce discomfort by reducing the horsepower in the bbl.

The below is quality lead. I'll try to make a chart:

Here's 7 1/2:

At 1330 fps Muzzle 20yds 40yds
930 715

1200 fps 865 675

Energy:

1300fps Muzzle 20yds 40yds
4.91 2.40 1.42
1200fps 4.00 2.08 1.26

Again; velocities and energy are for the same size sphere with same density. Hevi will exceed lead.

Here's a comparison of 7 1/2 with 6 at 1200fps (hunt with hard, chilled shot):

Energy muzzle 20 40

7 1/2 4.00 3.05 1.26

6 6.20 3.49 2.23

One does not need to get the shi'ite kicked out of a muslim enthusiast to kill game with a shotgun. More on the shoulder doesn't mean more dead.

 

[SDMF]

Oh,and the old A5 didn't make noise after the shot that I know of,maybe my ears were ringing after the shot? the all new A5 is a completely different animal,word is to stay away for now.

Clickity-Clack like a train on a track whence they're cycling ending in a nice 4:4 whole note metallic ring that trails off at the end.

 

[svnmag]

It won't save right and I'm effing done,

 

[snow]

svn,I get what what your sayin,actually inside 40yds if the shooter does his job any cheap steel load will kill birds,I hunt all over the country from sept thru april,all field hunting...I hate steel shot as well,always have but today its alot better than 20years ago,but steel just can't compare with down range energy like hevi shot,hevi blend or even tungsen loads...thats why I posted the chart,alot of waterfowl guyz that get by with fed blue box or winchester xpert loads that claim they kill birds beyond 50yds maybe true if infact they know yardage estmates,however like you said they up the pellet size,say BBB or T shot to accomidate the longer shots and pellets that can contain more down range energy due to pellet weight BUT increasing pellet size results in less pellets and more misses or more cripples and most often both beyond 50yds due to less pellets per shot.

 

[wildeyes]

I owed mossberg pumps for years, one thing about them is you can drag them in the mud and slime all day and will always shoot. Decide to get myself a auto started looking year before I bought the montefeltro this gun fits and shoots like a dream great gun.

 

[snow]

As far as semi auto loader field guns go price wise and quality both benelli and beretta are at the top of the food chain,not sayin browning or winchester are sub par,they're not and are just a great all around shotgun for 1/2 the price(still over $1k) get into breech shotguns and breech combo target shotguns,holy sheep shit $10k up to $50k for some specialty shotguns.

 

[svnmag]

Snow,

It does, that's why the patterning board is important. Especially with waterfowl and turkey IMHO.

 

[FightingSioux]

Anyone shoot a SBE3? Found a new 12 ga 3.5” 28” bbl with max5 camo for $1175. If it was a 20 ga or 28 I probably would’ve bought it instantly.

 

[cooter00]

Just the barrel

 

[svnmag]

Are we in an "Ancient Aliens" time slip? My device is showing this all began in 2017.

 

[snow]

Anyone shoot a SBE3? Found a new 12 ga 3.5” 28” bbl with max5 camo for $1175. If it was a 20 ga or 28 I probably would’ve bought it instantly.

Good price...yeah,sbe3,excellent thunder stick...fyi,right off the gun rack,outof the box,no mods,poi is 100% high off center@30yds,this messes up most scatter gun shooters but once you figure out poi it's a great advantage for rising targets,i patterned one stock sbe3 in 2021,as far as i know nothing has changed except the larger charging knob.

Snap your find up down trade to a 20ga.

Just a thought.

 

[FightingSioux]

Just the barrel

Full gun