Deer Licenses

[JMF]

Yesterday I got a call from a young girl if I would vote for Heide or Kramer.
I said Kramer and then she asked me to spell Kramer.
So you tell me what that poll was going to lead to for an opinion. db

You know it's spelled Cramer right?

 

[db-2]

Oh, I guess being raised by democrats and having to quit school in the fourth grade to do chores left me a little short on spelling.
So due to that my vote would not count. No I did not know that. Glad I am old and can omit to that and not feel stupid. db

 

[db-2]

But it would be nice for my confidence is some one gave a thumb up, not down on this post.
Since Sunday have had 2" of rain for the seeds planted on Sunday afternoon. So they should sprout and grow and deer will come to eat and db
I see now I spell Heidi wrong to. damn

 

[remm]

Yesterday I got a call from a young girl if I would vote for Heide or Kramer.
I said Kramer and then she asked me to spell Kramer.
So you tell me what that poll was going to lead to for an opinion. db

You know it's spelled Cramer right?

Haha, I thought the same thing and probably laughed too hard at this. Carry on db, just giving you a little shit.

 

[pointer]

I understand the reason for reduced tags, less deer, that is easy, but the thing that bums me out more is that more than killing deer it's about the experience, the last 4 or five years my two sons and I have not had all three of us hunting together, this year I am the only one that has a tag. Not blaming the system, told the boys years ago that they got lucky that they grew up in an era where they could get a deer every year, and a limit of Walleyes almost every trip out. Unfortunately we have to live with the slow times. Bottom line it's not the same when they go along or I go along just for the ride.

 

[eyexer]

eye I don't disagree with the fact there is less hunters today however I do feel that stat is open to interpretation/ flawed a bit. hunters are more specialized today and maybe don't hunt a wide variety of game but are very hardcore spending more days afield chasing select game/fish. back in the 70"s though I wasnt around I would bet the entire family had tags, went and did a deer drive and 3 guys shot most of the animals. so to say license sales have dropped yeah prolly true but to say that the people harvesting game has dropped 75% I don't buy that.

not trying to argue just always be wearying of stats and their interpretation as we all know whomever can skew them to whatever side they want

I lived and hunted in the 70's. It really wasn't any different than today except that you could pretty much hunt anywhere you wanted then. Now your lucky to be able to hunt 10% of what you did back then. And on top of that back then there were no pheasants to speak of in ND. Now there are so people aren't even buying much for licenses to even hunt pheasants. I'm not sure how you can skew the fact that there are 75% less hunting licenses sold now compared to 1970. That's pretty cut and dried. That's all licenses all species of birds/animals. There are several guys I used to hunt with on a regular basis up until half a dozen years ago that don't even hunt anymore. And these were lifelong hunters.

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I understand the reason for reduced tags, less deer, that is easy, but the thing that bums me out more is that more than killing deer it's about the experience, the last 4 or five years my two sons and I have not had all three of us hunting together, this year I am the only one that has a tag. Not blaming the system, told the boys years ago that they got lucky that they grew up in an era where they could get a deer every year, and a limit of Walleyes almost every trip out. Unfortunately we have to live with the slow times. Bottom line it's not the same when they go along or I go along just for the ride.

And this is one of the scenarios that have led to 75% less hunting licenses sold since 1970

 

[Kurtr]

Funny how less license are sold but every one complains about how many people are out hunting

 

[dukgnfsn]

If you were looking for an opportunity to hunt there are a lot of licenses left in 3F2 first come first serve 6th Sept. I have used this as a backup hunt many times over the years because I just love to be out. There is a lot of PLOTS land in this unit and it is a nice place for the opportunity to hunt. I have shot a deer down there with CWD, if I harvest a deer out of that area I just freeze the meat and wait until I hear on the CWD and use later in year if good to go. Even with harvesting a deer with CWD I would still hunt there when I don't get drawn in other areas just for my chance to be afield. I have also take a lot of other younger hunters and friends down there and spent time hunting with them just on the hope they continue the interest in hunting, and more time afield for me with friends even if my license isn't down there. There are opportunities out there and sometimes it means a change and a from your comfort zone but I enjoyed the challenges of a new area I had to figure out. Relish what we have in ND and take advantage of what opportunities we have while we have them even if the challenge you or take you out of your comfort zone. dukgnfsn

 

[Davy Crockett]

Oh, I guess being raised by democrats and having to quit school in the fourth grade to do chores left me a little short on spelling.
So due to that my vote would not count. No I did not know that. Glad I am old and can omit to that and not feel stupid. db

Thumbs up db , We have disagreed on topics in the past but you have always been a good sport about it and never brought it to another topic on another day. That alone is worth thumbs up and good rep.

 

[Davy Crockett]

It's all about SELFISHNESS and complaining when you can't go hunting exactly where you want for whatever deer you want with whatever weapon you want every year.

I totally agree as per Dakota Country article. http://dakotacountrymagazine.com/news/one-tag-only/

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So what happened to Steinwand’s “One Tag Only” proposal? It disappeared. Steinwand got run over by the North Dakota Bowhunters Association. Unhappy bowhunters won a political argument. Bowhunters are great sportsmen, but too many of them are also selfish. Bow-hunting is not a sport for the timid. It’s hard work, but also, when successful, incredibly stimulating. Problem is, it often does not result in taking a deer. And so, to have the best of both worlds, a lot of bowhunters want the option of being able to shoot a deer with their rifle at the end of the season to guarantee they’ll have some venison in their freezer.
So how’d they do it? Well, they showed up, and victory often goes to those who just show up. They showed up at Game and Fish Advisory Board meetings last winter, like the one I attended here in Bismarck, where Steinwand argued pretty hard in favor of his “One Tag Only” proposal, saying bowhunters have not had their opportunity to bowhunt reduced the way gun hunters have. I left that meeting convinced that Steinwand really believed that “One Tag” was the way to go until the deer herd recovers from its current problems, in spite of how noisy the bowhunters were at the meeting.

 

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Under this 1 tag proposal, I could apply for a rifle and if I got it, that's it. But, if denied, I can go buy a bow tag otc?

 

[8andcounting]

If you were looking for an opportunity to hunt there are a lot of licenses left in 3F2 first come first serve 6th Sept. I have used this as a backup hunt many times over the years because I just love to be out. There is a lot of PLOTS land in this unit and it is a nice place for the opportunity to hunt. I have shot a deer down there with CWD, if I harvest a deer out of that area I just freeze the meat and wait until I hear on the CWD and use later in year if good to go. Even with harvesting a deer with CWD I would still hunt there when I don't get drawn in other areas just for my chance to be afield. I have also take a lot of other younger hunters and friends down there and spent time hunting with them just on the hope they continue the interest in hunting, and more time afield for me with friends even if my license isn't down there. There are opportunities out there and sometimes it means a change and a from your comfort zone but I enjoyed the challenges of a new area I had to figure out. Relish what we have in ND and take advantage of what opportunities we have while we have them even if the challenge you or take you out of your comfort zone. dukgnfsn

Great post . Also just a FYI for people that want to hunt a deer this year , montana has 6,000 surplus mule doe tags for region 7 (which is huge, basically from billings to the ND border) and that region has an unreal number of block management and blm and state land acres , public land , with lots of deer . I've done it many times very fun and easy . I think you can buy up to 7 per hunter , at $70 a pop . And whitetail doe tags are OTC for that region as well . And the gun season lasts oct 20-nov25. Just saying , there's lots of opportunities

 

[eyexer]

Funny how less license are sold but every one complains about how many people are out hunting

hardly anybody hunting where I hunt. You see a few guys on pheasant opener and then you might not see anybody for days

 

[Davy Crockett]

Under this 1 tag proposal, I could apply for a rifle and if I got it, that's it. But, if denied, I can go buy a bow tag otc?

I believe that is what was proposed but I could be wrong on that, I believe it would have put 8814 more hunters in the field in 2016. But I could be wrong. Chime in bckhnter and I'll also email NDGF to confirm what exactly was proposed. All I know is I feel there is some room for improvement. Some call it bitching and some call it standing up for what you think is right.

 

[Whisky]

I totally agree as per Dakota Country article. http://dakotacountrymagazine.com/news/one-tag-only/

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So what happened to Steinwand’s “One Tag Only” proposal? It disappeared. Steinwand got run over by the North Dakota Bowhunters Association. Unhappy bowhunters won a political argument. Bowhunters are great sportsmen, but too many of them are also selfish. Bow-hunting is not a sport for the timid. It’s hard work, but also, when successful, incredibly stimulating. Problem is, it often does not result in taking a deer. And so, to have the best of both worlds, a lot of bowhunters want the option of being able to shoot a deer with their rifle at the end of the season to guarantee they’ll have some venison in their freezer.
So how’d they do it? Well, they showed up, and victory often goes to those who just show up. They showed up at Game and Fish Advisory Board meetings last winter, like the one I attended here in Bismarck, where Steinwand argued pretty hard in favor of his “One Tag Only” proposal, saying bowhunters have not had their opportunity to bowhunt reduced the way gun hunters have. I left that meeting convinced that Steinwand really believed that “One Tag” was the way to go until the deer herd recovers from its current problems, in spite of how noisy the bowhunters were at the meeting.

if that were true, we would have a 1 tag system, with much more support behind it. Dont bullshit a bullshitter.

 

[Davy Crockett]

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if that were true, we would have a 1 tag system, with much more support behind it. Dont bullshit a bullshitter.

I aint bullshitting anyone, If it's good enough for Dakota Country magazine Its good enough for me. Don't kill the messenger.

 

[Whisky]

If you can get Steinwand and the NDGF to publicly say that a 1 tag system would be to the benefit of the deer herd, I will forfeit my privelage to rifle hunt in return for a statewide bow hunt.

 

[Davy Crockett]

If you can get Steinwand and the NDGF to publicly say that a 1 tag system would be to the benefit of the deer herd, I will forfeit my privelage to rifle hunt in return for a statewide bow hunt.

See, It's all about you and your herd. If I could get him to say publicly that it wouldn't benefit the deer herd but it would benefit 8814 other hunters would you forfeit your "privelage" to rifle hunt in return for a statewide bow hunt ? Google Sportsmanship.

 

[Whisky]

See, It's all about you and your herd. If I could get him to say publicly that it wouldn't benefit the deer herd but it would benefit 8814 other hunters would you forfeit your "privelage" to rifle hunt in return for a statewide bow hunt ? Google Sportsmanship.

No, it's our deer herd. I've already shown you how many bow hunters need to sacrifice to increase your chances at a buck tag ever so slightly. So with that said, and your response, I feel your are the greedy one beyond reasoning with. I've stated I will sacrifice for the benefit of the deer herd. But Not for your chances at a buck tag

 

[Davy Crockett]

Steinwand argued pretty hard in favor of his “One Tag Only” proposal, saying bowhunters have not had their opportunity to bowhunt reduced the way gun hunters have.

I stand behind NDGF, Steinwand and his opinions as well as Dakota Country magazine , They are good people.

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I've stated I will sacrifice for the benefit of the deer herd. But Not for your chances at a buck tag

Final answer ?