Florida School Shooting

[Whisky]

As much as i agree with those of you who say it starts in the home, or at the Dr with meds, etc etc. That won't stop these things IMO.

My thoughts are, it's up to every single school to keep kids in that school safe. The problem may start somewhere else, but it ends at the school. It's time that protecting our kids and schools becomes a national priority.

For starters:
Armed guards at every single school in the country with X amount of students
At smaller more rural schools, require X amount of armed teachers. WITH required active shooter training.
For every school, every where, require better door security.
For every school, every where, have some sort of "panic" alert system in place that simultaneously alerts LEO and every single employee of the school of an active shooter situation.
For every school, every where, require active shooter drills just as often as fire or tornado drills.
For every state, create a "Department of School Safety" to go right along with "Department of Ag", "Department of Transportation", "Department of Useless Shit".

For those who will ask how to pay for it. My question to you is, would you rather have good roads or a dead kid? Find a way to pay for it. If you don't think protecting your kids is important and worth a price, you shouldn't have kids. If you think it can't happen in your community, you're wrong.

I realize my post in meaningless and will result in zero change, but I feel better for typing it....

 

[guywhofishes]

And you expect who to pay for this?

the cheetoh wants to build a wall.

ha ha - OK, I never said I have the answers - your comment doesn't make mine less factual

 

[Allen Gamble]

These terrible events just keep becoming more frequent. It seems like the more media attention these events get, the more it spreads the word, and entertains other dirt bags to do the same.

Not that they shouldn't be covered.... there just is no real answer. Every idea can be run through 10 rabbit holes and "red teamed" to look like a bad idea.

 

[Whisky]

Every idea can be run through 10 rabbit holes and "red teamed" to look like a bad idea.

Hence why nothing changes.....

 

[jdinny]

While the lame stream media is wetting their pants/panties condemning guns and the need to have stricter gun laws( which law breakers will continue to break), nary a word is mentioned about the shoot em up films and violent video games that many, many, people..especially young people, play endlessly every day, could also be a possible cause of some of these incidents. Mental health issues can affect their reality of these games and movies. Libs in California movie country would never approve of such comparisions.;:;rant

I think many would agree with that. lump that into or under the parenting category in many cases.

I took my eldest son ( 4) to bowman with me and my wife this year for her antelope tag. weather was good figured what the hell I have x amount of years to teach him prior to other influences getting his attention. was it hard absolutely , did it limit the success, yeah probably you cant take a 4 year old on endless walks did he have the time of his life you bet. he wont stop talking about it. is already planning to go next year ( we wont have a tag) haha he doesn't grasp that concept yet, but point of the story is my wife gave up a tag you get every what 7-8 years and a chance at hunting hard for a nice goat in exchange for taking our son out and shooting what I would call a respectable goat not huge but the memories we made are priceless.

 

[fly2cast]

It's a difficult problem to fix and I'm not sure that we ever will be able to fix it. We live in a free society that allows guns and it's impossible to keep guns out of the hands of people that want to hurt others. If you take away guns, people will still be able to find ways of hurting others if they really want to. With that being said, this case may have been avoided if the kid didn't have the guns he did. I'm guessing he was living with his parents. If so, why would his parents allow him to live in the house with these guns and his state of mind?

I can't speak for every school, but I know the Bismarck schools do have controlled entrances but I don't know how effective they would be for somebody that was bent on killing. Also, they regularly practice active shooter drills. Just yesterday morning they did (before this shooting happened). They could have armed security at every school and more secured entrances, but like everything else it costs money. Easy thing to say but it's harder to pay.

 

[NDSportsman]

In every one of these instances the perpetrator had glaring signs. More laws are not the answer as the system is failing. These aholes break umpteen laws to commit these shootings already another law or 20 is not going to stop them. Libs need to realize that guns will never be gone completely. There is no way they would ever be able to stop a perp from getting one if they are dead set on doing something. Better security measures like controlled access points, security guards, medal detectors would help in some instances. Until we find a way to stop these deranged individuals before they act there isn't a whole lot that can be done to prevent these things.

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Sounds like this idiot was really messed up. Adopted parents both died. He owned the guns for awhile and moved into a friends home with them. School had issues with him before and expelled him. Had weird posts on social media, dead animals, threats, etc. Yet nothing can be done until they snap and hell breaks lose but yeah let's blame it on the gun........

 

[shorthairsrus]

he was adopted FYI ---- unfortunally it will larger schools to make security cost effective.

Maybe a big change in the type of treatment for mental health --- outside the box approach ---- AKA Dogtra - they sell the best kind of mental health threatment that all one needs to do is push a button for health. Ask a shorthair - the most attitude changing treatment known

 

[Captain Ahab]

I have 2 kids in school and one more that will be shortly. The answer to this is not an easy one. I don't think you are going to eliminate the pharmaceutical issue, or change society as a whole. An armed guard may sound good, but who is going to stand there with pistol for 15 bucks an hour to wait for an AR toting lunatic to show up? I can't imagine you're gonna get a lot of talent for that wage either. You're not going to get rid of guns either. The only thing that is cost effective and could potentially prevent a person from heading into a school is a handful of staff that has biometric(thumb/eye, etc.) immediate access to a firearm. Those select staff would get some extra incentive so long as they complete proficiency training in the use of the weapon and of course be deemed a level head. The thought of strolling into a school with a firearm while everybody isn't a sitting duck might weigh on the mind of an assailant as well.

 

[Sum1]

Get rid of gun free zones, anti-depressants for kids, and liberals. It’s really that easy. The problem is nothing will happen. So the shootings will continue.

 

[5575]

He should have been hung beside the freeway yesterday.

 

[Obi-Wan]

According to the police reports he has admitted to the shootings and seems remorseful. According to the report he had additional magazines but sometime during the shooting he changed is mind and decided to flee with other students. Hopefully his being alive and talking can give the authorities some insight into the mindset of these types of shooters.

 

[ranger150]

He should have been hung beside the freeway yesterday.

I 100 percent agree. Instead the tax payer will pay $$$$$$$$$ for a trial. Years of prison time before execution. If there is a execution. In the mean time the parents will be visiting the grave of their child wondering why?

 

[KDM]

Tragic. My thoughts and prayers along with my deepest sympathies go out to the entire school and their families. A terrible loss has been incurred and we need to mourn the loss. There will be time for the other issues when the families of all involved are taken care of.

 

[PrairieGhost]

According to the police reports he has admitted to the shootings and seems remorseful. According to the report he had additional magazines but sometime during the shooting he changed is mind and decided to flee with other students. Hopefully his being alive and talking can give the authorities some insight into the mindset of these types of shooters.

I'm happy this one didn't kill himself so he can be questioned. I keep wondering things like did this school have some kids that played the rape game like the idiots in hmmmm where was that again Colfax? No one should die, but what made this kid do something so radical. Perhaps no one did anything and it's entirely his fault. If your sane you can't understand that so you look for other answers.

 

[gst]

My son who graduated HS last spring and I were talking about this on a trip today. He mentioned how everyone in school is conditioned not to pick out anyone else as "different". They had a kid in school that was not in any normal classes and spent his whole day in the resources room that would walk down the hall pretending to jack a round in a text book, aim it at someone and pretend to shoot them.

My son was getting a drink at the fountain one day and he walked up behind him jacked a shell in his book, said "I'm gonna kill you" and pretended to shoot.

A few kids mentioned it to the school counselor and teachers and they brushed it off and suggested just avoiding him..........really??

Why is a kid like this even in public schools. We have placed so much emphasis on trying to integrate everyone despite obvious issues and have been conditioned ot be "politically correct" instead of pointing out this kid has some serious issues. And as such no one helps the kid with his problems....great idea.

He also had a girl in his class that during classroom and tests would sing out loud about smoking dope and getting stoned with Jesus. During a test he and another kid told her to shut the hell up and they got in trouble for "bullying". It wasn;t until the teacher finally stepped up and explained what had been going on all year with this girl that the "bullying" charges were dropped.

My sons have stood up for a number of kids over the years in HS that were being picked on and I have had a number of teachers speak to that effect to me in appreciation and yet because of crap like this kids don;t bother speaking out to teachers.

 

[raider]

this is just dumb... - government...

who on here would not go to you local, or child's school to stand at the front door with the biggest nastiest lead lobber you owned to protect the kids in your neighborhoods school??? whenever your name was called???

this could and would b fixed immediately if we quit relying on a huge bureaucracy to fix everything we handled ourselves for decades b4...

we r getting so reliant on what uncle "does" for us, we are becoming pathetic... ;:;banghead

 

[ShootnBlanks]

Sad deal. School shootings seem to happen weekly now... I caught something on the radio about talk of adding more taxes firearms and ammo. Already seemed to have some support? This money would go towards funding prevention of future shootings, cost of shootings when they happen and help support victims. I dunno how true this all was, I caught the tail end of it. Maybe it was just some garbage to get poeple all worked up.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Sad deal. School shootings seem to happen weekly now... I caught something on the radio about talk of adding more taxes firearms and ammo. Already seemed to have some support? This money would go towards funding prevention of future shootings, cost of shootings when they happen and help support victims. I dunno how true this all was, I caught the tail end of it. Maybe it was just some garbage to get poeple all worked up.

If they do it then they should put twice the percentage tax on the pills they shove down the kids throat. Put a tax on violent movies. Put one heck of a tax on some of the videos they play. Guns are not the problem, it's societies attitudes. Perhaps they should take the tax money and post the ten commandments in every classroom. Heavy indestructible metal ten commandments over the entrance doors. Also tell all the little drama queens we have become to tolerant.

 

[fnznfwl]

If they do it then they should put twice the percentage tax on the pills they shove down the kids throat. Put a tax on violent movies. Put one heck of a tax on some of the videos they play. Guns are not the problem, it's societies attitudes. Perhaps they should take the tax money and post the ten commandments in every classroom. Heavy indestructible metal ten commandments over the entrance doors. Also tell all the little drama queens we have become to tolerant.

What part of separation of church and state don't you get? You like to refer to the constitution a lot but apparently only when it fits your narrative.

There are plenty of options available for people if they want to see their kids practice a particular religion while at school.