Ford coming out with new Diesel in F150

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Having never owned a diesel pickup I'm no where near an expert. I did always think one of the major reasons for owning a diesel was to have the power to pull a heavy load. Owning a 1/2 ton pickup pretty much eliminates the heavy load portion of the equation. Or at least SAFELY pulling is eliminated. I would also think the difference in price of gas vs fuel, purchase price, maintenance, etc. also eliminates the cost savings. That leaves only "But I like the sound of a diesel going down the highway."
 


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GM talked about a non turbo duramax couple years back for the 1500 pickup just like they had in the mid 90's,shelved it for 2017,instead they put a 2.8lit duramax 4cyc in the new colorado,powertrain for encono not power with 181Hp rating,nice quiet ride and purrs along@ 75mph,40mpg hiway rating,we'll see about that.
 

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I've owned and/or driven a lot of different pickups over the years. I still love my diesel, but like with everything else it comes with its own drawbacks. The cost of oil changes and fuel additives is not trivial, nor is it in the significant figures of total vehicle ownership costs. I have 109k on my 2009 F250 and outside of a couple of radiator hoses it hasn't cost me boo in repairs yet, so maybe I should dump it sooner, rather than later. Granted, that $99 air filter sucked.

The biggest advantage to having a diesel is still there in that it's a pleasure to drive when pulling something, for hunting or a commuter I would take the gas driven, smoother riding half ton pickup any day of the week and twice on Sundays! However, even for pulling my modest Lund Fisherman, I'd take the diesel despite all the raving about how the new half ton gas trucks pull. It's superior for pulling, period.

Do I need a 3/4 ton for pulling my boat, or my boat + camper, or for hunting? Maybe, maybe not, I guess I'm a poser to some when they see me out at the grocery store in it. Who gives a crap though, do you really want me to sit in judgment of if you need that Swarovski spotting scope or Kimber rifle when I can spot and kill things with my Nikons and S&W 1500? Probably not, it's neither of our damn business what grade of tool the others use.

SDMF is spot on though, it's a 20 minute drive from home to work for me and I rarely take the pickup. It is just getting heated up to normal operating temp when I get to the office. I've several times over the years had to take a spin around the country block to finish a DPF regeneration cycle. That pisses a guy off! I wish they'd install a feature to let a person push a button to regen. I seem to often hit a regen cycle the day AFTER coming home from a long trip when I'm merely on my way to Menards, and it won't do a regen cycle on that trip without taking the scenic route.
 

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I had a 1995 Chevy with a 6.5 Turbo. I still miss that pickup sometimes. It would "Roll Coal" when you pulled out to pass and always ran about 19-21 MPG no matter what you were doing.
 

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I was just looking at dodge website for shits and giggles. The RAM 1500 diesel 4x4 is rated for 26mpg on hwy, the hemi is rated for 21. The diesel looks to be about a $3,200 upgrade from the hemi. Here is the kicker though..the diesel has a SMALLER towing rating, 9,200 for the diesel VS. 10,700 for the hemi?? Now i'm even more bewildered why someone would buy a 1/2 ton diesel.:;:huh
 


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Too many people that have half tons are pulling way too much poundage than is really safe. Will it pull it, yes it probably will but when something goes wrong such as tire blowing or wheel locking up that weight behind you that you are pulling is going to throw you all over the place. The more weight on the tow vehicle the better. Not saying you can't pull with half tons just saying don't be careless in pulling more than is safe.
One thing to keep in mind is when pulling a trailer if it starts swaying from icy or blown tires or anything grab your brake controller and push it for the trailer brakes. This usually will straighten out your trailer. Don't back off the foot feed until your trailer is straight and under control.
 

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I pulled doubles with a half ton F150 for a couple summers. A 24ft travel trailer, and a 18 ft Fischer boat.
Was scary coming out of the breaks north of Killdeer on that last hill. The engine was pegged to get me up to 15mph to get up that last hill. I still see that old pickup around town sometimes. Cant believe that would be the same well overworked engine I sold it with.

I absolutely love my diesel for pulling the 5th wheel, boat, 5th wheel and boat, or the trailer for the ranger. But absolutely hate it when just running around town, so I picked up a little Taurus for my run around/work car.

If I ever get a lake home, and lose the camper I will be going back to an F150.
 

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It has to just be a marketing decision to avoid some loss in market share. Ford has been talking about a 1/2 diesel for over 10 years it seems, but has never come to market with one. Would have to guess because when you crunch the numbers it would put it in the same price and market category as a F-250. So why spend the money to steal customers from that.

Now that the Nissan and Dodge has actually come to market with them they are going to pull the trigger to draw in and keep the customers who "think" they need a half-ton diesel. It wont be a huge seller and I am sure they know that but you have to guard your market share.

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I was just looking at dodge website for shits and giggles. The RAM 1500 diesel 4x4 is rated for 26mpg on hwy, the hemi is rated for 21. The diesel looks to be about a $3,200 upgrade from the hemi. Here is the kicker though..the diesel has a SMALLER towing rating, 9,200 for the diesel VS. 10,700 for the hemi?? Now i'm even more bewildered why someone would buy a 1/2 ton diesel.:;:huh

A half ton frame and chassis is a half ton frame a chassis. You add weight to it in the form of a diesel engine or large crew cab the payload and towing rating will go down.
 

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I dont know why they would need a little diesel if they are keeping the platform of the eco. It acts like one -- I cant imagine the cost would be less. Broken i dont know if you are talking today's technology or not -- but with the technology today i am the anti sway and breaking the vehicle does upon a sway of the trailer eliminates some (not all) of the need for a bigger truck.

So last year we hauled in a trailer to we fest -- i used my eco when backing around and up hills etc at we fest -- the littler eco doesnt grunt or spin it just does it job. This year we took the chevy 3/4 its like straining and spinning and (no it wasnt wet) --to back the thing up.


I have a trailer i think over all length is 34-35 -- i worried -- went through the scale - i dont remember the weight -- the truck itself weighs more than what i thought / actually more than any 1/2 i have owned. The technology on sway is incredible and it pulls hills just like you have a boat or something light. My red chevy has 3.73s and it shifts like a sob pulling the boat up a hill. This thing just idles even with that big sob it pulls hills at 70. Wind no effect. The only thing it does is drink fuel and suck air.
 

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I deal with diesels all winter long, (semis for grain hauling) plug it in, use the right fuel, if something even small goes wrong might as well open up the checkbook wider then you want. Sure a diesel will still be strong long after the body has fallen apart but for what I pull with my personal pickup, I'll take the 12 mpg I get pulling and live with it. Unless you have a small man complex, gas pickups are a dream.
 


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Bring you 1/2 ton to pull what I do with my 3/4 and have things go bad and will see what your opinion is worth. I pull at and slightly past and it handles it fine, until a bad suprise then it makes one go crap I maybe could have gone to a 1 ton.
That being said I bought my truck for pulling more that driving but use it for llonger travels.

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But most of todays 3/4 diesel drivers you are correct about, myself and getting to be a few others are becoming the rare cases.

You figured out what I was getting at with your updated post. I never once said I could pull what your diesel could pull, I did however say that I pull near the limits of my half ton and it does just fine and most that have 3/4 tons don't need them.

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Most of the pencil pushers that have 3/4 ton rigs that don't need them also don't frequent sites like this one!
 

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I have a 2003 ford F-450 diesel and I like it, it's got a lot of power inside is nice it's a lariat, it's got a 7.5' box which is nice for atvs and snowmobiles
 

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Short, that eco boost does not "act like a diesel." Especially "backing around and up hills", etc. Sorry, I ain't much for calling Bullshit. But, I call it on that. The eco has its place. But, it's no diesel in those situations.
 

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Short, that eco boost does not "act like a diesel." Especially "backing around and up hills", etc. Sorry, I ain't much for calling Bullshit. But, I call it on that. The eco has its place. But, it's no diesel in those situations.

Peak TQ @ 2500 RPM is "dieselish".
 

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I dont see the benefit either, but Mercedes has been making cars with diesels for years. I wonder if this truck would pencil out as a cheaper grocery getter in wsrmer climates.
 


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I wonder if this truck would pencil out as a cheaper grocery getter in wsrmer climates.

Eco-boost upcharge is $1,300.

Baby Duramax in the Colorado and Eco-Diesel in the 1500 Ram are ~$4K.
 

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Eco-boost upcharge is $1,300.

Baby Duramax in the Colorado and Eco-Diesel in the 1500 Ram are ~$4K.

Just throwing ideas out there. It would seem a little counter procuctive. I remember reading an article that Ford had a Ecoboost V-8 In the works. Replace diesels in the Super dutys but then start putting them in F150? j guess all the guberment regulations have caused wierder things.
 

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Just throwing ideas out there. It would seem a little counter procuctive. I remember reading an article that Ford had a Ecoboost V-8 In the works. Replace diesels in the Super dutys but then start putting them in F150? j guess all the guberment regulations have caused wierder things.

I guess i didn't really think about it, but these diesels in half tons may be nothing more than manufactures having to meet MPG criteria for their fleet of vehicles.

Even though they don't pencil out for the consumer, people will still buy them becasue hey its a diesel and its cool. The manufacture wins because it raises their MPG for the fleet.
 
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I guess i didn't really think about it, but these diesels in half tons may be nothing more than manufactures having to meet MPG criteria for their fleet of vehicles.

Even though they don't pencil out for the consumer, people will still buy them becasue hey its a diesel and its cool. The manufacture wins because it raises their MPG for the fleet.

right now we are in 2 races within auto manufacturers, in diesels it is the most torque and in smaller vehicles there is a mpg race. I suppose they are trying to out do dodge and there 26 mph half ton?
 

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I have a 2003 ford F-450 diesel and I like it, it's got a lot of power inside is nice it's a lariat, it's got a 7.5' box which is nice for atvs and snowmobiles
I thought you had a 7' bed? And why put your many sleds in the bed of a truck when in another thread you have a trailer?
 


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