Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

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Even if a girl "consents" to sex at 14, especially when wealth and security is offered, she doesn't understand the future ramifications of her choices. Hence "age of consent". Epstein knew it, sought it out, and did what he wanted. Disgusting doesn't begin to describe it. Anyone who rationalizes what Epstein did should seriously reconsider their position. Gold digging is reserved for someone mature enough to actually understand the long term effects of their decisions.

Too bad someone already killed him because there are many others who were deprived of the opportunity to do it today.
 


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Even if a girl "consents" to sex at 14, especially when wealth and security is offered, she doesn't understand the future ramifications of her choices. Hence "age of consent". Epstein knew it, sought it out, and did what he wanted. Disgusting doesn't begin to describe it. Anyone who rationalizes what Epstein did should seriously reconsider their position. Gold digging is reserved for someone mature enough to actually understand the long term effects of their decisions.

Too bad The Clintons already killed him because there are many others who were deprived of the opportunity to do it today.

fixed it for you.
 

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So much to digest with that statement. I would say it's too bad you feel that way. Women don't like sex? News to me. A lot of women make more than the man these days as well, what about them? I guess I'm very lucky with my marriage and my wife, because I don't feel that way in the slightest.

mrs johnr has out earned me considerably for the last few years, and we still have martials quite frequently. Maybe I am the gold digger, or the one getting paid for it...haha
 
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well we all know it can't be your looks

you must be quite the stallion (it pained me to type that)
 


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I didnt say it made anything right, but reading the transcripts from the trial, even the case against epstein might be questionable. Going to be even harder to nail Gizlane for her less involved role in it. This first witness seems to not remember a lot, and also to contradict her previous statements to law enforcement, making her credibility questionable IMO.

On the grand scheme of atrocities, however, offering some down on their luck teen girls a bunch of cash to fly on a private jet around the world for some 'erotic massages' doesnt feel like its exceptionally high on the list.... Sex slavery is real, and a big problem in many countries, this is hardly that, from what ive seen so far.

Yeah, I know there's gray area. Kinda. I mean, it's kinda gray.

I'm not pointing a finger at you Lycan. I'm not picking a fight.

Like I said, I have daughters, two of whom are teens, and they're turning into women.

What happened, allegedly, can be looked at two ways - or anywhere in between.

"She knew what she was doing" is one stance. A girl who is 14, but looks and acts like she's 18, is maybe on one end of the spectrum.
I can not overstate this though. She is 14. She might act like she "wants it". She might say that. She might get paid or otherwise compensated for it. Whatever. A guy can justify it in his mind if he wants or tries. He might say "well, it was RIGHT THERE, what was I supposed to do?". The black and white of it though, is that whether it's illegal because she was underage, or it was illegal because prostitution is illegal, it was illegal.

The other end of the spectrum is underage girls who have nothing, or nobody. Through their own poor decisions, or other circumstances they might find themselves in a drug lifestyle. Also illegal. They might find themselves selling their bodies for money. Illegal. Or for safety even. That could be in the form of "either you do this or I'll kick the shit out of you". Or even food. Whatever. All illegal. So, while darker, this side of the argument doesn't hold water either.

I know... It's the worlds oldest profession. Whether by force or wile, women have been doing this all along...

I know I'm just one guy. And I'm certainly a sinner, as are we all. I just take a damn dim view of this whole thing.

And like guywhofishes, I'm glad we can have a civil conversation, rather than a giant pissing match.
 

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yep - many shades of grey (gray)

seriously though - there are no bright lines delineating acceptable from unacceptable

that's why legislating morality is doomed at the get-go
 

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mrs johnr has out earned me considerably for the last few years, and we still have martials quite frequently. Maybe I am the gold digger, or the one getting paid for it...haha

Hopefully when my wife finishes her PhD I can be in the same boat as you. I have zero problems with her making more money than me.
 

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Hopefully when my wife finishes her PhD I can be in the same boat as you. I have zero problems with her making more money than me.

Been pushing my wife to go back for her PhD so I can finally paint full time and expand my collection of sweat pants.
 


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My plan is to keep making money and going fishing until I don’t feel the need to make more money with a day job. My social worker wife does the feel good stuff not the money stuff. Gigalo I am not.
 

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Yeah, I know there's gray area. Kinda. I mean, it's kinda gray.

I'm not pointing a finger at you Lycan. I'm not picking a fight.

Like I said, I have daughters, two of whom are teens, and they're turning into women.

What happened, allegedly, can be looked at two ways - or anywhere in between.

"She knew what she was doing" is one stance. A girl who is 14, but looks and acts like she's 18, is maybe on one end of the spectrum.
I can not overstate this though. She is 14. She might act like she "wants it". She might say that. She might get paid or otherwise compensated for it. Whatever. A guy can justify it in his mind if he wants or tries. He might say "well, it was RIGHT THERE, what was I supposed to do?". The black and white of it though, is that whether it's illegal because she was underage, or it was illegal because prostitution is illegal, it was illegal.

The other end of the spectrum is underage girls who have nothing, or nobody. Through their own poor decisions, or other circumstances they might find themselves in a drug lifestyle. Also illegal. They might find themselves selling their bodies for money. Illegal. Or for safety even. That could be in the form of "either you do this or I'll kick the shit out of you". Or even food. Whatever. All illegal. So, while darker, this side of the argument doesn't hold water either.

I know... It's the worlds oldest profession. Whether by force or wile, women have been doing this all along...

I know I'm just one guy. And I'm certainly a sinner, as are we all. I just take a damn dim view of this whole thing.

And like guywhofishes, I'm glad we can have a civil conversation, rather than a giant pissing match.

I agree with much of what you said, I dont support anyone taking advantage of someone else who is vulnerable, but 25 years later when you cannot remember much of what happened probably isnt the best time to start making accusations. It will be interesting to see how this turns out, because of our current political environment Id wouldnt bet on Jizzy walking away unscathed. Likely she will end up taking punishment that really should have been served to epstein himself.
 
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Been pushing my wife to go back for her PhD so I can finally paint full time and expand my collection of sweat pants.

Here I was thinking you were going to give Hunter Biden a run for his money or is it really you doing his paintings???? :;:huh
 

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18 if it's consenual.

Unless you live in CHI - NAH!

14 years old




The age of consent in mainland China is 14 years old. China's two special administrative regions, Macau and Hong Kong, have their own local age of consent laws. Like China, Macau's age of consent is 14 years old. The age of consent in Hong Kong is 16 years old.
 

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^^^^That was a hard read. Like watching a car wreck.
 

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And just like that Twitter pulls down the trial tracker account...wonder why? There are so many "elite" pedophiles entrenched with this Epstein blackmail scheme its just sickening! Why did Epstein visit the Clinton WH 17?
 


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