Lake Tschida camping spot to close

[gst]

gst,

Their being able to remove the mobile homes was always a condition of the lease as far as I know, that's what has always differentiated these sites from those with permanent structures. Problem was when the shit hit the fan, not a single one of them got moved (again, that I am aware of). Lack of tires, attached decks and sheds, and poor access due to mud and snow covered roads, etc. It just didn't happen. So yes, when you can't live up to the previous conditions and expectations, one should expect something to change in order to help you meet your obligations to Big Brother and your neighbors.

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p.s. BOR does have law enforcement.

So then why is the BOR considering allowing them to stay if they follow anchoring requirements?

Why would the BOR permit the building of "sheds" and decks?

It certainly seems from a willingnesss of the BOR to "permit" the building of these things the leasers were indeed following what the "previous conditions and expectations" the BOR allowed.

So allen, if you were renting that pasture from me to graze your cattle and I told you go ahead and drill your water well and then the next year told you well I changed my mind, I am only going to allow you to graze lamas because I don;t want cattle in that pasture, would you go out and buy lamas or would you be pissed and bitch and threaten to go to court until I paid you back for drilling that well?

Would you think I was being a jackass after 40 years of letting you graze cattle to demand you buy lamas instead?

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Allen, do you have concern over these Federal agencies such as the USDA arming themselves with automatic weapons in their enforcement agencies?

Do you believe the Separation of powers the Founders intended are being followed when these Federal agencies use their own law enforcment depts rather than using the county sheriffs , state law enforcement or other designated Federal law enforcement branches?

 

[PrairieGhost]

Allen it doesn't sound much different than the Game and Fish requiring people to have their ice house off the lake at a designated date. We don't call the Game and Fish another branch of gov because of that, nor do we consider it unreasonable. To often gov agencies are hated because of what politicians do. We ask why are they not responsible to elected officials. They are responsible to elected officials. The problem is we want it to always go our way. For example if a landowner has a piece of land surrounded by gov land he would expect access. Reasonable I think. Conversely if the public has land surrounded by private land they often refuse access to the public. Reasonable, I think not.

 

[Kurtr]

Trailer house and ice shacks go together like peanut butter and cocaine.

 

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• 05-11-2016 09:13 AM
  
  Thread: Lake Tschida camping spot to close
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• 05-09-2016 09:48 PM
  
  Thread: 2016 Lake Sakakawea Land Transfer
  Ummmm I think I asked you how much is enough first. Feel the Bern on those damned 1%ers........... If you would, go back and actually answer those questions I posed. Is 65% not enough? Because that is what is "public" land in Idaho and yet people

For the record this wasn't me if you're thinking it. I'm pretty straight forward with my disagreements with you.

 

[gst]

Naw, wasn;t thinking that. Don;t send much time thinking about "who" is could be other than just another whiner without the balls to sign their name.

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Allen it doesn't sound much different than the Game and Fish requiring people to have their ice house off the lake at a designated date. We don't call the Game and Fish another branch of gov because of that, nor do we consider it unreasonable. To often gov agencies are hated because of what politicians do. We ask why are they not responsible to elected officials. They are responsible to elected officials. The problem is we want it to always go our way. For example if a landowner has a piece of land surrounded by gov land he would expect access. Reasonable I think. Conversely if the public has land surrounded by private land they often refuse access to the public. Reasonable, I think not.

Perhaps the G&F will allow those ice houses to remain if they follow proper anchoring recommendations.

idiotic comparison.

 

[YATYAS]

 

[Allen]

"VERY familiar".........?

Hah hah, yes...I consider myself very familiar with the general issues at hand here. However, if someone on here has a copy of 2009 lease and a 2016 lease for comparative purposes, I think some of the confusion here would disappear. So yes, I recognize there is another level up from my knowledge base on this.

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So allen, if you were renting that pasture from me to graze your cattle and I told you go ahead and drill your water well and then the next year told you well I changed my mind, I am only going to allow you to graze lamas because I don;t want cattle in that pasture, would you go out and buy lamas or would you be pissed and bitch and threaten to go to court until I paid you back for drilling that well?

Allen, do you have concern over these Federal agencies such as the USDA arming themselves with automatic weapons in their enforcement agencies?

Do you believe the Separation of powers the Founders intended are being followed when these Federal agencies use their own law enforcment depts rather than using the county sheriffs , state law enforcement or other designated Federal law enforcement branches?

If you told me upon my request to drill a well that I did so at my own risk of not being able to run cattle there in subsequent years, then no...I have no leg to stand on. I am pretty sure that any resident out there, given the very public battle they have been in with Reclamation for several years, had to have known there was risk associated with any "permanent" improvements. Perhaps they are so dumb as to think it would bolster their case in the future, I don't know. But I do know they are complete morons if they didn't know there was a risk. Weigh your risks carefully.

Too many silly's at once.

But for the last two, no and yes. Unless I find myself breaking the law, I am not any more afraid of a law officer with an uzi than I am a glock.

I said the Bureau has its own version of law enforcement, never said they don't use the locals? I think someone on here has already stated the Bureau, through the JDA, contracts with the local Sheriff's office. Actually, they do so in many locations. Doesn't mean the Bureau doesn't have law enforcement though but I think it gets used more for facility security and interacting with the local branches of law enforcement than it does running roughshod over the local kids keggers.

 

[gst]

allen, the BOR "permitted" decks and sewers and such AFTER the flood of 2009 and are now telling those people they gave permits to "so sorry, we no likey trailer here". Say, did those permitted decks have wheels under them?

and you are still trying to make a lame comparison to drilling a well in a pasture?

Why is it so hard for you to admit the BOR screwed up in permitting these folks one year and then tell them to leave the next?

Thanks for attempting to answer a question regarding a rented pasture and well, but you need to do a little better job reading it to give an answer to the actual question.

 

[Allen]

Why is it so hard for you to admit that the government's job is to look out for the general public and not a select group of people?

By the way, I don't know for sure that they needed permits from Reclamation to build a deck. Do you?


p.s. I answered the pasture question. I have no issue with the owner giving notice the conditions may change and I am assuming risk with investments I choose to make. None whatsoever.

 

[johnr]

The leases these people pay for that land, where does that money go?
Is it state owned, federal, local county owned? And what fund is it put into, and purpose does it get applied to?
Private owned, it's no one's business, tax paying people owned maybe it should then be treated as such

 

[Obi-Wan]

Trailer house and ice shacks go together like peanut butter and cocaine.

Don't knock it until you have tried it. Who would have though peanut butter would go with pickles or bananas?

 

[gst]

Why is it so hard for you to admit that the government's job is to look out for the general public and not a select group of people?

Allen so are you going to see Uncle Bernie when he comes to Bismarck given your socialistic view of govts duty?

Are not those people with those "$3k shithole campers" part of the "general public"? Telling them they can build structures by permitting them and then telling them they have to move those "$3k shithole campers" off their lot completely is "looking out for them"?

My guess is the "$3k shithole campers" have as much to do with it as anything. Some uppity little gal likely had a "$3k shithole campers" pulled in alongside their nice cabin and didn;t like it. Just a guess on my part.


By the way, I don't know for sure that they needed permits from Reclamation to build a deck. Do you?

Wait a minute here allen, YOU were the one that claimed to be "VERY familiar" with what is happening there............Not just "very familiar", but "VERY familiar". It is starting to seem you might not be "VERY familiar" after all........

The article you claim to have read states the BOR gave out "permits" to build these improvements and structures. Perhaps the author is lying or misinformed..............I'm guessing not.


p.s. I answered the pasture question. I have no issue with the owner giving notice the conditions may change and I am assuming risk with investments I choose to make. None whatsoever.

Allen, you didn;t really answer the questions point. Would you go out and buy lamas? If I had been allowing you to graze cattle for years thru a lease, then gave you the impression you could continue to do that by "permitting" you to drill a well at your expense on that pasture and then after you had invested YOUR monies to do so, I told you that you could only graze lamas there not the cattle you had been, would you go out and buy lamas to graze or bitch and demand your investment back thinking I was an asshole?

Perhaps you can see the connection?

The BOR after years of leasing to these people, AFTER the 2009 flood, AFTER permitted them to make improvements to their existing "$3000 shithole campers" on the lots they leased, AFTER letting them make those investments, they told these people nope, you gotta move your "$3000 shithole camper" completely off your leased lot.

Allen if you are honest, I'm betting if one of those "$3000 shithole campers" being forced to move after you had invested $10 grand in a sewer and $3000 in a deck were yours, you would be pissed.

 

[SDMF]

I was an asshole

Breaking news, he admitted it here first.

 

[Fly Carpin]

Breaking news, he admitted it here first.

Was?

 

[gst]

Haters gonna hate..............you nancies have a nice day.

 

[DirtyMike]

Haters gonna hate..............you nancies have a nice day.

bye

 

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[guywhofishes]

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