M3, yea or nay?

[eyexer]

All I know is if this passes I'm buying stock in Frito Lay

 

[PrairieGhost]

There were a few like that. But there were way more guys that drank all night and were too hungover to get their ass out of bed the next day for class.

Very true. I even know a few who flunked out because they were always at the student union playing ping pong.

 

[CatDaddy]

Very true. I even know a few who flunked out because they were always at the student union playing ping pong.

Think about how much more ping-pong they would play if they smoked some weed!!! :::

Either criminalize booze or decriminalize weed. They are on the same level, both with their pros and cons. Those that drink alcohol and vote against M3 are simply hypocrites.

 

[PrairieGhost]

I often wonder how much we actually know about MJ. I have not read any peer reviewed papers, only grey literature. What's the rate of lung cancer linked to smoking pot? How is the IQ affected after ten years of MJ use, etc. How does it affect the responsible actions of a person? People quote things, but I have never seen real science.

 

[JayKay]

Jay Kay have you been in a legal marijuana shop?

No sir.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Priced too high? Shoppers balk at marijuana price tag


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/marijuana-price-tag-1.4867420?cmp=FB_Post_News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/legalized-cannabis-new-brunswick-1.4865769

https://youtu.be/UH7vl_iuY_k

 

[Fishmission]

Still pretty sharp after all the years of MJ

 

[db-2]

Drank in school but there was a reason to get to most classes the next day.
first quarter it was a warning. (been there)
second quarter it was probation (been there)

AND THIRD QUARTER HERE CAME THE DRAFT AND VIETNAM, HELLO. (was there but after graduation, damn instead of four years if I had stretch it out to five years I would have not gone)
I drink old mill and I vote no so I know where I stand (old, white and male, second generation American) and that is important to know where one stands at times. DB

 

[Migrator Man]

Priced too high? Shoppers balk at marijuana price tag


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/marijuana-price-tag-1.4867420?cmp=FB_Post_News

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/legalized-cannabis-new-brunswick-1.4865769

https://youtu.be/UH7vl_iuY_k

Everything fun is expensive in Canada. Alcohol, cigs, $30 tins of chew, what do they expect.

If people think legalization will get rid of the drug cartel think again. People are still bootlegging booze and weed will be even worse. A majority of the pot heads i know are lazy and complain all the time how hard they have it..... whiner and excuses society

 

[Enslow]

No sir.

I have just seen a couple in Denver. One was a secured building that you are escorted in one at a time. Inside the aroma was very pungent, there were pet dogs walking around, and an unusually “high” (pun intended) level of customer service. The amount of products available also surprised me. They have everything you can think of. You have to pay In cash and tax is included. So in essence, we have individuals paying for their weed products with after tax dollars. Each purchase also shows the sales taxes and other taxes being take Out. Now let’s discuss what opioid addicts do to get their pills. They go to emergency rooms and manipulate and lie to the doctors, they don’t have insurance, and they don’t intend on paying their bills. They also steal from family, friends, anyone who will give them money or pills. So in actuality all of us insured taxpayers are funding the opioid addiction in the US.

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PS: I was against legalization until I realized what was happening in our little towns with the pills. At that point I just felt there were bigger fish to fry than trying to stop the legalization of marijuana.

 

[JayKay]

I have just seen a couple in Denver. One was a secured building that you are escorted in one at a time. Inside the aroma was very pungent, there were pet dogs walking around, and an unusually “high” (pun intended) level of customer service. The amount of products available also surprised me. They have everything you can think of. You have to pay In cash and tax is included. So in essence, we have individuals paying for their weed products with after tax dollars. Each purchase also shows the sales taxes and other taxes being take Out. Now let’s discuss what opioid addicts do to get their pills. They go to emergency rooms and manipulate and lie to the doctors, they don’t have insurance, and they don’t intend on paying their bills. They also steal from family, friends, anyone who will give them money or pills. So in actuality all of us insured taxpayers are funding the opioid addiction in the US.

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PS: I was against legalization until I realized what was happening in our little towns with the pills. At that point I just felt there were bigger fish to fry than trying to stop the legalization of marijuana.

Sigh, I oughta know better than to re-join this argument.

No, I have not been in any marijuana shops. As a recovering alcoholic, I have no desire to visit such a place - nice and clean - or otherwise.

I'm not saying "nobody should be able to go, because I don't go..". I'm just imagining me in such a place, and someone could yell "hypocrite" and I'd be like "umm, I'm doing research".

All of a sudden Bill Clinton and Jim Baker make perfect sense.

Switching gears (and most importantly), my stance remains the same. I can't see any benefit to any person - at least not any logical benefit in MY mind - to any person regarding using marijuana recreationally. I fully recognize that many people, on this site and elsewhere, WANT to use recreationally, but I don't see their desire as a reason for me to vote to change an existing law.

Between you and I and a fence-post, if it were legal, and the topic was making it illegal, I'd probably have to say I don't want changes.

In my mind, the fact that there is an opioid epidemic is no reason to make this (currently illegal) drug legal. That's like saying we need to raise the speed limits, because there aren't enough parking ramps. I get however, that you're saying we use the resources we currently use for policing pot, on a more troublesome epidemic. I get that you're thinking "with all the money we save by letting people smoke, we can go after the more dangerous drugs".

Personally, I think that that's BS.

For those who think that by letting people legally smoke pot, we are going to have LESS drugs around..? I don't buy that for a minute either. In my opinion, and experience, pot is just one of many gateway drugs. You can roll your eyes and call me dumb, but I have been around. Maybe some people smoke pot and never do anything else. Maybe some can still function and be a productive member of society yada yada yada. But a lot can't and don't. For a lot of people, smoking pot is one step in a long series of steps, leading into addiction and piss-poor decision making, loss of self, loss of family, loss of freedom.

People say pot is harmless. WAY different than those hard drugs. Nobody goes from pot to meth or coke or heroin right? All those people on those bad drugs, they all wanted to be on those bad drugs. They did that on purpose, right? You ask them when they're on the other side, in recovery (if they're still alive) and they'll tell you that they never meant to be in the gutter. They never meant to lose their family and job. Again, I'm not saying that all pot smokers end up like this. But some do.

I also want to be clear, that my rhetoric and language are not coming from some anti-pot brochure, or from listening to Bob Wefald. These are my first-hand observations.

Jaykay

 

[Whisky]

I have just seen a couple in Denver. One was a secured building that you are escorted in one at a time. Inside the aroma was very pungent, there were pet dogs walking around, and an unusually “high” (pun intended) level of customer service. The amount of products available also surprised me. They have everything you can think of. You have to pay In cash and tax is included. So in essence, we have individuals paying for their weed products with after tax dollars. Each purchase also shows the sales taxes and other taxes being take Out. Now let’s discuss what opioid addicts do to get their pills. They go to emergency rooms and manipulate and lie to the doctors, they don’t have insurance, and they don’t intend on paying their bills. They also steal from family, friends, anyone who will give them money or pills. So in actuality all of us insured taxpayers are funding the opioid addiction in the US.

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PS: I was against legalization until I realized what was happening in our little towns with the pills. At that point I just felt there were bigger fish to fry than trying to stop the legalization of marijuana.

Respectfully, I don't see how the opioid problem is at all related to the rec weed debate. Are you saying opioid addicts will stop the pills and switch to weed once it's legalized? Or that LEO will be able to focus more on pills instead of weed? I understand you must have had a bad experience with opioid addicts. But others have had bad experiences with pot heads as well.

 

[SDMF]

I've never smoked pot, nor hung around when it's being done and gotten a contact high, etc, etc, etc. I've been vehemently anti-recreational MJ essentially forever. My strict aversion has strained some lifelong friendships at times because I just flat refuse to knowingly be around it.

I have 0 problem w/Medical MJ for adults for multiple ailments, I could even be persuaded towards medical MJ for kids w/cancer or legitimate intractable pain.

My position regarding me being anywhere near recreational MJ hasn't changed and if M3 passes, I don't think my opinion will change.

Either criminalize booze or decriminalize weed. They are on the same level, both with their pros and cons. Those that drink alcohol and vote against M3 are simply hypocrites.

Rhetoric like above tips me towards a no vote. Alcohol is legal, MJ isn't. Now you can argue that it's not fair, unwarranted, backwards, stupid, ignorant, or anything else you want to say, but you can't change the fact that right now MJ is illegal. The moment you start to make an argument of equivalence to a legal drug be it alcohol, tobacco, etc, you lose me and push me harder towards a "No" vote. Someone attempting to persuade me that what is currently illegal needs to be legalized and if I don't agree (of haven't ever tried it) I'm a hypocrite won't be very effective in earning my vote.

All of the above said, I truly believe the legislators have essentially thumbed their noses at the public regarding Medical MJ and that pisses me off exponentially more than does being called a hypocrite.

I'm truly undecided on this, and it feels weird as I don't typically have any trouble making up my mind fairly quickly with relatively few regrets.

Can anyone give me a good reason to vote yes without attempting to put MJ and alcohol in the same class AND without sounding like either Cheech or Chong?

 

[Enslow]

Recovering addicts shouldn’t be smoking weed. Let’s not argue though about what is safer why don’t we look at stats. Could anyone pull stats on the US for deaths related to alcohol and THC?

 

[Davey Crockett]

I've got nothing new, You already covered it when you said the legislators have essentially thumbed their noses at the public regarding Medical MJ.

 

[SDMF]

Respectfully, I don't see how the opioid problem is at all related to the rec weed debate. Are you saying opioid addicts will stop the pills and switch to weed once it's legalized? Or that LEO will be able to focus more on pills instead of weed? I understand you must have had a bad experience with opioid addicts. But others have had bad experiences with pot heads as well.

Any chronic pain patient taking Vicodin, Percocet, etc daily that could potentially be helped by MJ/MJ derivatives instead of opiates is probably better off long term. There are an awful lot of people who went on an opiate short-term for something like post-operative pain or some sort of injury and became long-term addicts.

 

[Enslow]

Yes and when a cancer patient can’t eat give them some edibles that will make them hungry or feel better without the side effects of the pills.

 

[Muley14]

All of the above said, I truly believe the legislators have essentially thumbed their noses at the public regarding Medical MJ and that pisses me off exponentially more than does being called a hypocrite.

Can someone explain this to me? I've been told a number of times by legislators that the medical marijuana measure, as passed, would have been impossible to put into law because it was so poorly written and contradicted itself in a number of places.

While I don't always agree with these legislators, I do have a lot of respect for them.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I've never smoked pot, nor hung around when it's being done and gotten a contact high, etc, etc, etc. I've been vehemently anti-recreational MJ essentially forever. My strict aversion has strained some lifelong friendships at times because I just flat refuse to knowingly be around it.

I have 0 problem w/Medical MJ for adults for multiple ailments, I could even be persuaded towards medical MJ for kids w/cancer or legitimate intractable pain.

My position regarding me being anywhere near recreational MJ hasn't changed and if M3 passes, I don't think my opinion will change.


Rhetoric like above tips me towards a no vote. Alcohol is legal, MJ isn't. Now you can argue that it's not fair, unwarranted, backwards, stupid, ignorant, or anything else you want to say, but you can't change the fact that right now MJ is illegal. The moment you start to make an argument of equivalence to a legal drug be it alcohol, tobacco, etc, you lose me and push me harder towards a "No" vote. Someone attempting to persuade me that what is currently illegal needs to be legalized and if I don't agree (of haven't ever tried it) I'm a hypocrite won't be very effective in earning my vote.

All of the above said, I truly believe the legislators have essentially thumbed their noses at the public regarding Medical MJ and that pisses me off exponentially more than does being called a hypocrite.

I'm truly undecided on this, and it feels weird as I don't typically have any trouble making up my mind fairly quickly with relatively few regrets.

Can anyone give me a good reason to vote yes without attempting to put MJ and alcohol in the same class AND without sounding like either Cheech or Chong?

Essentia has come out stating they wont allow their doctors to prescribe cannabis. Sanford claims they will allow doctors to prescribe but a lot are questioning this as they are one of the largest supporters of the anti movement currently... Medical will never be feasible in ND the way it is currently written and our current legislature will never relax the regulations enough to make it work. You can take that to the bank!

 

[Whisky]

Any chronic pain patient taking Vicodin, Percocet, etc daily that could potentially be helped by MJ/MJ derivatives instead of opiates is probably better off long term. There are an awful lot of people who went on an opiate short-term for something like post-operative pain or some sort of injury and became long-term addicts.

Right, I can agree. So Medical weed and opioids are more intertwined..... Rec weed has nothing to do with it, IMO.

(Enter the argument about sticking it to the legislators with M3)